The fact that so many value Herrera so highly is clear evidence of the lack of quality in the squad.
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Still baffled people don't rate Herrera. Especially considering he's put in arguably the best individual performances this season against top sides.
He's an incredibly good all-rounder, and it's quite possible to create a world class team out players of his ilk.
Granted, it's more common to see top teams filled with world class specialists, but Herrera is exactly the kind of player that Fergie would win trophies with.
The tactical flexibility of having a team full of players that can do a little bit of everything is a very potent weapon.
Granted, it's more common to see top teams filled with world class specialists, but Herrera is exactly the kind of player that Fergie would win trophies with.
The tactical flexibility of having a team full of players that can do a little bit of everything is a very potent weapon.
I was laughing as I thought it was quite an apt description of him yesterday, I didn't think he played as well as he can do.
Still getting plenty of praise for his performance though, such is his quality these days.
You kidding me right, he is known to be a big game player, rate him or no this isn't really up for debate. From his time at Bilbao he always turned up in the big games. Against Chelsea was the epitome of this. Even last night he was last man standing in the last 10 minutes. Others on here are praising how well he kept the team together towards the end and you come on and say the completely opposite?
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He was last man standing last night? From his time at Bilboa? You make a lot of sweeping statements. Yes he played well versus Chelsea in a man to man role. But you can't seriously tell me he turns up for big games? He is a decent to good player but leader I don't think so. Yes we need to replace quite a few before we get to Herrera but in the long run he's just not good enough to be regular starter if we want to conquer Europe.
feck me. Have a look at how he performed against the big boys in spain, have a look at the general consensus prior to his move here. And here's a very good post on this forum regarding it just last month.
It's fairly well accepted he's a big game player, and the passion, leadership and workrate he's shown makes him a standout candidate. This forum seems to think he is captain material, United fans in general do, and so do the media. Who is it again that has the blinkers on?
I can't question his desrie and leadership he shows on the pitch
But his skills with a football are average at best
His defending is not nearly as sound as many make it out to be
He is prone to making some stupid mistakes and losing the ball
Squad player who is taking his chances in the team atm for me but nothing more
But his skills with a football are average at best
His defending is not nearly as sound as many make it out to be
He is prone to making some stupid mistakes and losing the ball
Squad player who is taking his chances in the team atm for me but nothing more
I like almost everything about Herrera but I tend to agree with this. He's exactly the sort of player we should have as the first option if there's an injury to the midfield.
So I see here are many better than Ander footballers , hope we sign you in the summer
You go back to his time in Spain that was more than 3 years ago. He has only became a regular this season. Im not saying he isnt a good player as he is but he is very limited. His goal return is dreadful and his assist record is poor regardless what you say. His strengths are his energy and his first touch/turn he has mastered that. Is he good enough to be here? Without doubt but captain material? No way. He goes missing yes hes great when we are on top. But his passing is erratic and as a six he is lost.
If his assist record is poor this season, which central midfielder in the league has a good one?
And in what way is his passing erratic? He has an 88% pass completion rate. He makes his passes fairly quickly as well so the receiver gets some time on the ball. I don't see him giving hospital passes like Rooney does, for example.
I do think there's a bit of over hyping with Herrera. Very good player on his day but to be bracketed amongst the very best he's got to go up a notch or two in his level of consistency.
Of course I've gone back to his time in Spain, if I didn't then saying he's always been a big game player and ignoring everything beyond a few years would be daft. But I've also provided evidence of what he's done since being here in big games which remains impressive.
So to clarify, I've provided evidence of his recent and past performances in big games, hence the claim he's a big game player? And judging by your lack of response to it I'll assume you either haven't got an answer to it or you were unaware of it.
He's a limited player who is only behind Fabregas for assists from a centre mid and leading the way in defensive stats for a midfielder, makes a lot of sense.
At this point you just seem to be throwing random criticisms at him and hoping something will stick. So far it's not been supported we stats or general opinion.
It really boggles my mind that our fans who've seen us play the entire season can actually not rate Herrera.
There is a good reason why I have some people on ignore. They just like winding people up. You would be wise to do the same to save your sanity.Of course I've gone back to his time in Spain, if I didn't then saying he's always been a big game player and ignoring everything beyond a few years would be daft. But I've also provided evidence of what he's done since being here in big games which remains impressive.
So to clarify, I've provided evidence of his recent and past performances in big games, hence the claim he's a big game player? And judging by your lack of response to it I'll assume you either haven't got an answer to it or you were unaware of it.
He's a limited player who is only behind Fabregas for assists from a centre mid and leading the way in defensive stats for a midfielder, makes a lot of sense.
At this point you just seem to be throwing random criticisms at him and hoping something will stick. So far it's not been supported we stats or general opinion.
He's our most consistent CM for me. Pogba has the much higher highs but also the lower lows. The rest aren't even in the same league as these 2.
Only Center Midfielder who has more assists than Herrera is Fabregas.
It's always advisable to talk about unmeasurable shit like footballing IQ, Reading of the game, controlling the game etc when you want to talk shit about a quality player 
It's always advisable to talk about unmeasurable shit like footballing IQ, Reading of the game, controlling the game etc when you want to talk shit about a quality player
Very much spot on. How can anyone question his big game performance is beyond me. He was MOTM against Liverpool away, Chelsea home, Arsenal and Spurs home IIRC. He also assisted our only goals against Spurs and Arsenal, scored and assisted both goals against Chelsea, put a massive defensive shift against Liverpool. It's like people watch games in different universe where everything looks exact opposite to what's happening on the pitch.I've got absolutely no idea why people here think that Herrera isn't good enough to be playing for us. He's got an eye for the killer pass, a good engine, likes a tackle. Assuming our main midfield signing this summer is a holding midfielder, Herrera will have license to roam around midfield breaking up play and setting up attacks as Pogba gets forward to assist the strikers. He could be a very important player for us next season if he stays fit.
On the other hand, he is a level below players the like of Vidal and Nainggolan when it comes to being the "all-action" midfielder who both defends and attacks. He's a different kind of player to the likes of Verratti, Saul or Koke, who again i'd consider to both be a level above him. I wouldn't be giving his starting spot away to any of the younger players we've been linked to, like Kessie or Bakayoko or Tielemans. So unless we make some kind of blockbuster midfield signing that nobody really expected us to make, I think he keeps his starting spot. I think a player like Naby Keita, Matuidi or Renato Sanches is only at the level to compete with him for a starting spot, but not to completely replace him.
I'd be interested to know which realistic transfer targets would oust him from the team, and what the justification would be.
On the other hand, he is a level below players the like of Vidal and Nainggolan when it comes to being the "all-action" midfielder who both defends and attacks. He's a different kind of player to the likes of Verratti, Saul or Koke, who again i'd consider to both be a level above him. I wouldn't be giving his starting spot away to any of the younger players we've been linked to, like Kessie or Bakayoko or Tielemans. So unless we make some kind of blockbuster midfield signing that nobody really expected us to make, I think he keeps his starting spot. I think a player like Naby Keita, Matuidi or Renato Sanches is only at the level to compete with him for a starting spot, but not to completely replace him.
I'd be interested to know which realistic transfer targets would oust him from the team, and what the justification would be.
If Herrera isn't good enough then we may as well get rid of 90% of our team, because he's a damn sight closer to being good enough than most of our players.
Actually I can't even believe it's a discussion. Herrera is a very good player, one of our best and most consistent performers this season. How can anyone watch our team and single him out as a problem?
Actually I can't even believe it's a discussion. Herrera is a very good player, one of our best and most consistent performers this season. How can anyone watch our team and single him out as a problem?
Ditto that and why would we look to replace a very good player who has proved himself to be more than capable when we need about five new and expensive players? Without needlessly replacing Herrera we are already looking at a £200m pound transfer bill to make this squad right....utter nonsense being spouted here.
Since LVG first season all our best games have come with Herrera being close to MOTM performance specially against top teams he raises his games to another level. This season he showed he has all the attributes in his game (playing a killer pass, getting stuck in making interceptions).
I would say he is very underrated by media and pundits. If we are in title hunt next season most people and pundits will be singing his praises.
I would say he is very underrated by media and pundits. If we are in title hunt next season most people and pundits will be singing his praises.
I think that we'd see a lot more goals/assists from Herrera if he was played with Pogba and a top class defensive midfielder. At the moment he's being asked to play a more defensive role that isn't exactly suited to him.
That is so right. When you see Fellaini is in the side you would presume because of his size he would be a good DM. Unfortunately he isn't, so the only option is playing Ander there, he does a smashing job, but you lose his best assets which are the attacking ones.
Exactly. Put a destroyer in that midfield that will break up play, win the ball back and then get it to Pogba and Herrera, and our midfield would instantly function so much better.
A team like Barca would be glad to have Herrera instead of Andre Gomes. Herrera is quality.
He passes side ways and little 5-10 yard passes. No wonder he has a 88% success rate.
Surely this is a joke?
Bar Madrid. Bayern, and Atletico, he'd get into any starting XI.
Of course I've gone back to his time in Spain, if I didn't then saying he's always been a big game player and ignoring everything beyond a few years would be daft. But I've also provided evidence of what he's done since being here in big games which remains impressive.
So to clarify, I've provided evidence of his recent and past performances in big games, hence the claim he's a big game player? And judging by your lack of response to it I'll assume you either haven't got an answer to it or you were unaware of it.
He's a limited player who is only behind Fabregas for assists from a centre mid and leading the way in defensive stats for a midfielder, makes a lot of sense.
At this point you just seem to be throwing random criticisms at him and hoping something will stick. So far it's not been supported we stats or general opinion.
Like the general opinion Blind was s great centre back or Rooney is not finished or Lingard is great off the ball. I've heard it all before and I see it with my own eyes. Stats are twisted to fit the narrative all the time.
Bit shocked that there's a debate in here. Thought everybody would be praising him. Excellent player. Excellent season.
Ah, I see. Everyone's wrong but Lawman. Despite stats and the general opinion of both the populous and the media believing the contrary. Got it.
Ah, I see. Everyone's wrong but Lawman. Despite stats and the general opinion of both the populous and the media believing the contrary. Got it.
No I think there are more than few posters who have said the same although get bashed at every opportunity. Look at Blinds thread last season for reference (who the opinion has changed). All I say is Herrera for me is a decent player but we need better long term although he is not an immediate priority.
1) please tell me how the general opinion is that Rooney isn't a finished product? Have you not checked the performance thread in 2 years?
2) The general consensus that Blind was a great center back is a falsehood, hence the reason we bought Baily?
2) Lingard is great off the ball, he just can't make use of it when a ball is played in his direction, but that is another discussion.
He cant even get into the Spanish NT at 27 and has only 2 caps so far. Even in the EPL, he would not get into the midfield at Chelsea, City and Tottenham. Arsenal and Liverpool are debatable.
Based on what? Who do you think should replace him?
Nope. His average pass length is almost 17m and more than 60% of his passes are forward. By the way he creates far more chances than most central midfielders in the league while having a comparable or better pass completion. So he doesn't play it safe, nor is he erratic. And you still haven't explained what qualifies as a good assist record for a central midfielder and who in the league has achieved that this season.
It is rather difficult to get into the Spanish squad you know. It isn't like England. Also if LvG hadn't messed with him so much last season he would likely been in before. Spain getting a new manager has helped because he isn't blinded by loyalty to certain clubs and players.
1)Maybe thats because Spain is home to the best crop of CMs on the planet? have Iniesta, Koke, Saul, Thiago.
2) He finally started performing consistently this year and even got called up for the qualifier
He would definitely get into Chelsea. I rate him far higher than Matic and has more all round game than Fabregas. You saw the game he had vs Chelsea right? He had the sole role of marking Hazard out of the game and still outperformed their midifield.
He would replace both Toure and Fernandinho.
He would replace Wanyama at Spurs.
Yes its difficult, but if you have the quality you will get in. Thiago, who is almost 2yrs younger, has 20 caps already. Also, you cant blame LvG, cos Herrera is not some teenage talent that needs to be developed.
Dont get me wrong, I like the lad, but a lot of United fans overrate him, and for me that is simply cos most of the other players around him are much worse.
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