Watching the game again, I think I was unfair giving him an 8, he deserved a 9.
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I think he's always had a DM behind him, but it would make sense in that he has the all-around skills to play as one of two with Herrera in the 3-4-1-2, then if//when we go back to 4-3-3 we could play:
-------------Herrera--
Strootman-----------
------Carrick/Long-Term-Replacement
and Herrera would be free to press and look to play through balls.
Assuming Van Gaal rates Carrick as a DM (as his comments seemed to indicate), and with the shift to 3-4-1-2, the logical thing would seem to be to get an all-around CM now and then sign a top DM prospect to learn from, compete with and in a season or two, overtake Carrick.
I dont agree with that, as "the one whose name is not spoken" only takes 33% of the blame, the rest was SAF and the players. Not many managers can make a midfield that horrible play anywhere near decent. They were simply incapable of being creative.
Heard some of his interviews. Speaks great English, fantastic attitude. Just radiates confidence and winning mentality. Would make a great captain someday, especially as he is likely to play every game.
Calm it.
How can I? I'm a supporter of the most powerful and richest club in the world, led by a man who could sign anybody at any time for any price. My preseason optimism has no budget
I wasn't that impressed with him at all at Bilbao,
But ill happily be proven wrong! Dear god yesterday...
But ill happily be proven wrong! Dear god yesterday...
Miguel Herrera is the mexican coach. Showed a nice engine though on the touchline.
You are thinking of Hector Herrera.
really? I only heard rave reviews about him, heck several pundits said he was their star player? :/
he was immense, if he plays like that for us all season we will go places for sure!
After the Bilbao game I used to say that we should rush in and buy their CM (Javi Martinez-Ander Herrera). The combined fee would have costed us around the 75m mark however it could be done (both players had minimum fee clauses) and it would have sorted our CM for good. The response to that was very poor as many resorted to rehashed MUTV opinions such as 'no one can replace Paul Scholes', 'this is Ando's year' and 'Basque players hate Manchester' BS.
Its kind of sad that we refused to take that option because those are two excellent players who had been playing together for quite some time
Its kind of sad that we refused to take that option because those are two excellent players who had been playing together for quite some time
Hererra to me has a touch of Scholes about him.
And his partnership with Javi Martinez was breathtaking. They dominated us throughout the two legs.
You know that we refused? There is a very good chance that Martinez was always Bayern bound.
Considering our lack of transfer activity in CM during the last SAF's years I doubt that we really made any attempt to be honest. SAF placed alot of hope in our CM. In his biography he claimed that Clev was as good as Thiago Alcantara.
Wasn't there rumours that Sir Alex tried more than once to get Thiago but Guardiola wanted it to be a loan deal?
How often did you watch him? More often then not, whenever I watched him he played really well. Was one of the top midfielders in the league after the big two teams.
I don't know however he did wrote in his autobiography that he rated Cleverley at par with Thiago
Martinez played as a defender in those games iirc, it was De Marcos, Herrera, and Iturraspe in midfield. One of the best team performance I've seen against United, they were brilliant.
What a wonderful man he is!
Not only his play but is such a role model apart from it too. I am sure SAF would have signed Herrera if he was still here if he ever signed a CM.
Not only his play but is such a role model apart from it too. I am sure SAF would have signed Herrera if he was still here if he ever signed a CM.
Ohh geez
Even Cleverleys form before his injury against Bolton he was still no way near Thiago's level.I watched him pretty much every week, after EPL noons its La Liga evenings baby!
I always found his passing pretty damn sloppy. he would make a good capture, dribble and then give such an insanely sloppy pass. Nothing like we saw yesterday. He was good, but nothing really special like people made him out to be. But thats the thing with most players, you cannot show your true potential unless you have players around you that match you.
Put Messi at Bilbao and he wouldn't score 50 also. maybe its the same for him. Maybe its not him making the bad passes, but its them making no runs or not walking into created space. Who knows, but like i said ill gladly be proven wrong.
Scholes was the best at this; receiving the ball in tight spaces, surrounded by numerous tight markers, and somehow his first touch gave him the room to get off an accurate pass or a rasping shot. In the current squad though, for sure Ander trumps the rest.
Literally came in this thread then to talk about his willingness to receive the ball with pressure on him. He still asks for it when there is one or two players on him which is just fantastic as it means we have a free player or two. Makes such a difference to the amount of space and options available on the field.
In future when teams do well against us in a single game, we should immediately buy their players, whether or not they are willing to sell, and regardless of any previous form. That would show real wisdom.
Wasnt he voted into the team of the season or so and has the stats to back him up? It's the first time I hear that about his passing
It worked with Ronaldo so you're theory is absolutely spot on
I might be blinkered by the fact I have wanted United to sign Herrera since last summer but I disagree with this. I watch La Liga too and every time I watched Herrera he impressed me. I can't claim to have watched Herrera on a weekly basis, Bilbao's games weren't generally big enough for Sky Sports in England to show them that often. However, Herrera played well in all the big games I saw him in e.g. Athletic vs Barcelona, Athletic vs Sevilla. I would never characterise his passing as sloppy. He gave the ball away a bit sure, but to my eyes that was because he tended to try risky/difficult passes more than anyone else in the Athletic team.
He had great stats last season e.g.
Although he didn't manage to make the La Liga team of the year. The Athletic players that got in were Laporte and Iturraspe (link). Iturraspe would be perfect for us. With Mata at #10, Herrera at #8, and Iturraspe at #6 we would play tremendous football. My first choice #6 to play with Ander would be Javi Martinez, but that's fantasy football whereas Iturraspe is gettable. Yes, we'd have to trigger the release clause and after taking Herrera would need to be careful because if we upset Bilbao they could use the tax issue to bog down the transfer and make it hard to complete. But Iturraspe and Herrera at United with Mata would be mouthwatering.
Ha! Nice one... though actually Ronaldo was well known as one of the biggest young talents before that game... even if it was a call to action.
He's rumoured to have a release clause of around €40m.
I remember this place after the two Bilbao legs in 2012. It was full of posts like "Don't care what it takes, just sign Herrera." "Keep dreaming, we're never getting him but he'd be perfect."
Now he's ours.
Now he's ours.
I don't know if I can recall a better all round team performance then when Bilbao beat us at Old Trafford.
Barça beating Madrid 5-0 at Camp Nou on November 29 2010 was footballing perfection. But in terms of teams winning at Old Trafford, that was impressive from Bilbao.
Yeh, I remember watching when Bilbao did us just thinking, I'm not even upset, this is just a great side and fully deserve to be beating us and beating us well. They were fantastic.
Bollocks, SAF just put too much faith in players he was fond of. Giggs / Fletcher / Anderson / Cleverley was not a midfield fit the CL or premier league champions, I think he almost grew too close to the players, and in the end couldn't make the hard decision of cutting them. He forever thought Anderson would come good, he had the money but never wanted to upgrade.
I might be blinkered by the fact I have wanted United to sign Herrera since last summer but I disagree with this. I watch La Liga too and every time I watched Herrera he impressed me. I can't claim to have watched Herrera on a weekly basis, Bilbao's games weren't generally big enough for Sky Sports in England to show them that often. However, Herrera played well in all the big games I saw him in e.g. Athletic vs Barcelona, Athletic vs Sevilla. I would never characterise his passing as sloppy. He gave the ball away a bit sure, but to my eyes that was because he tended to try risky/difficult passes more than anyone else in the Athletic team.
He had great stats last season e.g.
Although he didn't manage to make the La Liga team of the year. The Athletic players that got in were Laporte and Iturraspe (link). Iturraspe would be perfect for us. With Mata at #10, Herrera at #8, and Iturraspe at #6 we would play tremendous football. My first choice #6 to play with Ander would be Javi Martinez, but that's fantasy football whereas Iturraspe is gettable. Yes, we'd have to trigger the release clause and after taking Herrera would need to be careful because if we upset Bilbao they could use the tax issue to bog down the transfer and make it hard to complete. But Iturraspe and Herrera at United with Mata would be mouthwatering.
Shame about the La Liga team but I knew he was one of the better players in La Liga last year.
I have not heard of Iturraspe but sounds like the player we need
Well I didnt know him if that helps
My bad, winning at Old Trafford was what I meant.
We were lucky to only concede twice De Gea made countless saves.
No worries. Bilbao under Bielsa were tremendous that season, but Ajax beat united at Old Trafford too that season, so as good as Bilbao were, perhaps United weren't great too.
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