100%. Could have been 6 or 7 easily in my opinion.
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Definitely, I remember them pressing Barcelona to death that season and they won 1-0 with Herrera scoring the goal.
We didn't seem to take the Europa league seriously but take nothing away they deserved the win Bilbao in particular played us off the park.
So, anyone know why he has his first name on his shirt along with his last?
I was the same, I wasn't even upset (partly because it the Europa league) but was just left in awe of their football. One of the best displays I've ever seen from an opposition at Old Trafford.
Probably because Herrera is a common last name in the Spanish speaking countries. Still, Ander Herrera written on the back of a T-shirt looks very weird.
Agüera would be interesting 
But isn't his last name Aguera? Wiki lists him as Ander Herrera Agüera, does that make Herrera his mother's maiden name?
We're trying to hack the United email system to find out about Vidal, not hack Ander's bank account.
This name uses Spanish naming customs; the first or paternal family name is Herrera and the second or maternal family name is Agüera.
According to wiki.
I am not saying that. I am only saying that quality players who did well with us should be given a second and third look. I've followed these two players for quite some time and they looked much better then our players. Unfortunately we kept insisting on 'Basque players never leave Spain' and the 'No one can replace Paul Scholes' BS which costed us alot in the past years
Apparently that's a myth. Our interest was established a good while before that game.
In other news, buying players who have great games against us would result in such footballing greats as Alfonso Alves and Michael Mifsud (I think @devilish suggested we should be interested in the latter at some point) ending up on our books.
Anyway, in terms of Bilbao players we should have signed ages ago I remember Muniain being the muppet target of choice. Herrerra didn't get nearly as much redcafe love.
What I am saying is that considering how shit our CM was and how our players were owned by Herrera/Martinez then the latter players should have been given a second and a third look. Instead we seem to have opted not to tackle the CM issue at all. Lets face it Cleverley was as good as Thiago and no one could replace Paul Scholes right?
This is very true, and to be fair as good as Herrera was against us, I think he was sort of outshone by Susaeta, Munain, and De Marcos in the games against us. You could see the talent of course but Herrera wasn't the stand out when we played Bilbao.
Thinking back to the initial CAF reaction to Ander and Javi Martinez, who at the time I had to argue constantly was actually a centre midfielder, its amazing to think what our midfield would be like if we'd signed them both. Glass half full rather than half empty I suppose. Better to have one of them than neither as we learned last season.
@Pogue Mahone
pg 112-113
Prior to the OShea incident, Manchester United had not approached neither player or agent. They simply sent a scout and involved Ronaldo's name in a conversation with Sporting (which was normal practice between United and its so called 'sattelite' clubs). During the OShea-Ronaldo game, SAF ordered Kenyon to talk to him during the half time and he told him. "We wont be leaving the ground before we signed him up"
That does look the type of knee jerk reaction you may frown about
pg 112-113
Prior to the OShea incident, Manchester United had not approached neither player or agent. They simply sent a scout and involved Ronaldo's name in a conversation with Sporting (which was normal practice between United and its so called 'sattelite' clubs). During the OShea-Ronaldo game, SAF ordered Kenyon to talk to him during the half time and he told him. "We wont be leaving the ground before we signed him up"
That does look the type of knee jerk reaction you may frown about
Is that really a quote from Fergie's book? He needs to sack his editor.
I doubt he would have been worse then Ashley Young to be honest.
I told Albert our kitman "Get up to that director's box and get Kenyon down at half time". I told Peter "We're not leaving this ground until we've got that boy signed"
"is he that good" Kenyon asked
"John OShea ended up with a migraine" he said "Get him signed"
word by word
So? None of that is inconsistent with my point that we were interested in Ronaldo before that game and it's fecking daft to sign players purely on the basis of one good performance against us.
Not exactly.
We heard about him, we sent a scout as part of the Sporting-Man United satellite team deal and we had a conversation with Sporting regarding selling the player. However we never really initiated any deal and we have never talked to either player or agent. Real negotiations started during (or slightly after) that game.
Right on, thanks.
So we were interested in signing him before he played agains us. Which was my point. You're making this much harder work than it needs to be...
Let me be clear
SAF knew about a boy called Ronaldo before Queroz suggested him HOWEVER we only sent a scout after Queroz suggestions. When the scout returned we limited ourselves in involving Ronaldo in a conversation with Sporting. We never placed a bid or involved the player/agent.
What kickstarted the deal was the OShea incident. At that point SAF refused to leave the ground until we had him signed. During that day we learnt that Real had bidded 8 million for him and SAF instructed to place a 9m bid for him.
My impression is that we had basic knowledge about the guy but we were never really interested in him. We didn't even knew that Real had placed an 8 million bid for him. Things changed drastically after Ronaldo humiliated OShea
Woodwards masterplan to get customers to spent an extra £5 on each shirt in the Megastore.
Genius.
Maybe i'ts got something to do with the fact that is father was a known footballplayer to, and there are about 50 other footballplayers with that last name.
It's also more than anyone at Bayern (Ribery and Lahm - 6 each). Entirely depends on the playing style of the team. Herrera and Iturraspe attempted 352 long balls between them - Athletic are more of a long ball team, which also contributes to their low pass completion rates.
As an Herrera enthusiast in last year's transfer thread, I'll rehash some of my thoughts about him. Apologies.
Despite his Spanish skills, he's more like a classic PL box-to-box midfielder than the kind of positional specialists La Liga fans (including Athletic's) and Del Bosque prefer. He's not a Busquets or a Xavi type. He's not got the grace of an Iniesta or even an Isco. There are some similarities to Xabi Alonso, but he's far too devoted to attacking to play the kind of role Xabi now plays.
He likes to see the ball, he likes to run, he likes to try and make things happen. He plays with his head up, and he tries to respond to his teammates, whether they want the ball or they want someone to pass to. When his teammates are playing well, he usually just blends in, keeping the ball moving, acting as support. Even there though he gets criticised for impatience and trying to force things, he can play with restraint but he loses something when he does.
The times when he's stood out have been in the hard games, particularly when they needed a goal or needed to keep an opponent pushed back. That's when his energy and willingness suddenly makes him look like a special player, particularly when some players start to fade or hide. Now, to me, I think that's ideal for us. As fans I reckon we'll love that side of his game. Hopefully LvG can find a way to channel it, so it always works for us. He seems like an intelligent player, it should be the perfect marriage. I hope.
Meanwhile - what's not to love
Despite his Spanish skills, he's more like a classic PL box-to-box midfielder than the kind of positional specialists La Liga fans (including Athletic's) and Del Bosque prefer. He's not a Busquets or a Xavi type. He's not got the grace of an Iniesta or even an Isco. There are some similarities to Xabi Alonso, but he's far too devoted to attacking to play the kind of role Xabi now plays.
He likes to see the ball, he likes to run, he likes to try and make things happen. He plays with his head up, and he tries to respond to his teammates, whether they want the ball or they want someone to pass to. When his teammates are playing well, he usually just blends in, keeping the ball moving, acting as support. Even there though he gets criticised for impatience and trying to force things, he can play with restraint but he loses something when he does.
The times when he's stood out have been in the hard games, particularly when they needed a goal or needed to keep an opponent pushed back. That's when his energy and willingness suddenly makes him look like a special player, particularly when some players start to fade or hide. Now, to me, I think that's ideal for us. As fans I reckon we'll love that side of his game. Hopefully LvG can find a way to channel it, so it always works for us. He seems like an intelligent player, it should be the perfect marriage. I hope.
Meanwhile - what's not to love
I wouldn't read so much into that. I assume now he is at United he will start getting Spain cap's. Basque players are overlooked in Spain a lot. Not to mention the quality of players in front of him and the quality of players who didn't even get into the World Cup squad. All you should judge him on is his ability and how he uses it on the pitch.
As an Herrera enthusiast in last year's transfer thread, I'll rehash some of my thoughts about him. Apologies.
Despite his Spanish skills, he's more like a classic PL box-to-box midfielder than the kind of positional specialists La Liga fans (including Athletic's) and Del Bosque prefer. He's not a Busquets or a Xavi type. He's not got the grace of an Iniesta or even an Isco. There are some similarities to Xabi Alonso, but he's far too devoted to attacking to play the kind of role Xabi now plays.
He likes to see the ball, he likes to run, he likes to try and make things happen. He plays with his head up, and he tries to respond to his teammates, whether they want the ball or they want someone to pass to. When his teammates are playing well, he usually just blends in, keeping the ball moving, acting as support. Even there though he gets criticised for impatience and trying to force things, he can play with restraint but he loses something when he does.
The times when he's stood out have been in the hard games, particularly when they needed a goal or needed to keep an opponent pushed back. That's when his energy and willingness suddenly makes him look like a special player, particularly when some players start to fade or hide. Now, to me, I think that's ideal for us. As fans I reckon we'll love that side of his game. Hopefully LvG can find a way to channel it, so it always works for us. He seems like an intelligent player, it should be the perfect marriage. I hope.
Meanwhile - what's not to love
Seems like he'll work really well with Vidal
There's no argument that he is an excellent player - I'm just suggesting that you have to be a little careful to use statistics in an appropriate context. (This coming from a renowned quoter of statistics.)
I don't know if I agree that Basques are overlooked by Spain @JaffyJoe but I agree that Herrera's inability to get into the Spain side needs to be contextualised. A lot of players who deserved to be in Spain's Brazil 2014 squad weren't e.g. Atletico's Gabi and Athletic's Iturraspe. Del Bosque chose to stick with his favourites for the World Cup, admittedly with disastrous consequences. Still, even if Del Bosque keeps doing this there aren't many top class midfield players who could make the Spanish squad.
Spain's midfield has been tremendously strong for the last six years, and the depth they have in Herrera's position is frightening. How many midfielders in the Premier League would actually get into the Spain squad? Maybe Yaya Toure. That's about it.
Players who regularly boss the Premier League like Ramsey couldn't dream of displacing the likes of Iniesta. Matic was a revelation for Chelsea but would he get in the Spain squad ahead of Thiago, Alonso or Busquets? Just because Herrera is yet to make the Spain team it does not mean he isn't significantly better than most Premier League midfielders. He is, and he'll prove it this season. If Herrera were English he'd be our first choice first XI midfielder.
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As an Herrera enthusiast in last year's transfer thread, I'll rehash some of my thoughts about him. Apologies.
Despite his Spanish skills, he's more like a classic PL box-to-box midfielder than the kind of positional specialists La Liga fans (including Athletic's) and Del Bosque prefer. He's not a Busquets or a Xavi type. He's not got the grace of an Iniesta or even an Isco. There are some similarities to Xabi Alonso, but he's far too devoted to attacking to play the kind of role Xabi now plays.
He likes to see the ball, he likes to run, he likes to try and make things happen. He plays with his head up, and he tries to respond to his teammates, whether they want the ball or they want someone to pass to. When his teammates are playing well, he usually just blends in, keeping the ball moving, acting as support. Even there though he gets criticised for impatience and trying to force things, he can play with restraint but he loses something when he does.
The times when he's stood out have been in the hard games, particularly when they needed a goal or needed to keep an opponent pushed back. That's when his energy and willingness suddenly makes him look like a special player, particularly when some players start to fade or hide. Now, to me, I think that's ideal for us. As fans I reckon we'll love that side of his game. Hopefully LvG can find a way to channel it, so it always works for us. He seems like an intelligent player, it should be the perfect marriage. I hope.
Meanwhile - what's not to love
I don't rate him anywhere near as highly as you do but yeah that's a great summary of the type of player he is. As a rival fan, I expect him to be a player that will be become a fan favourite at Utd, and will be a success, but without quite hitting the very top level.
The only thing Spain has lacked in a world class striker, which has rarely hampered them.
So I'd have to say that Aguero, van Persie and Suarez (if we're talking last season) would make Spain's squad.
They could also use a goalkeeper, though De Gea may be the one.
What?! Freaking portuguese clubs!
Hector Miguel HerreraMiguel Herrera is the mexican coach. Showed a nice engine though on the touchline.
You are thinking of Hector Herrera.
Poor lad will have to partner one of our current average bunch next season.
We really missed the boat not signing David Bentley when he scored the hattrick against us.
If it's a myth then it's one that SAF started because I heard him say as much in an interview on MUTV many years ago.
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