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2014-15 Performances

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31
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8
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He'd get a game next week. Needs to take his chance.

But rather have him in midfield than Rooney.
 
I think he felt a bit like you do when the ugliest girl out of the group rejects you but you just keep flirting to save face.
 
Brilliant cameo, did nothing wrong.

In all seriousness, hope he starts the next match.
 
Why is he not getting game time? Does he still have a niggling injury or does LVG see him behind Fellaini/Carrick/Blind? I think he should take the place of one of Carrick/Blind. Too similar and slow.
 
Blue always red said:
Why is he not getting game time? Does he still have a niggling injury or does LVG see him behind Fellaini/Carrick/Blind? I think he should take the place of one of Carrick/Blind. Too similar and slow.
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Could be the case that LVG just doesn't rate him and doesn't see a place for him in his current side, which would be a shame since he looks like an excellent talent.
 
If today's an example of how LvG wants the midfield to play, there's no point having Herrera, not even in the squad. Our midfield were useless in the first half, almost non-existent after we scored. If that's what LvG wants, Ander needs a new club. He's not passive enough for pointless possession, nor for over-anxious get-rid defending.
 
Brophs said:
Interesting how people dismissed his absences earlier in the season as being down to injury. It seems pretty obvious to me that LVG doesn't rate him, or at least he wants something different in there.
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Maybe he does, but that sort of fee and those sort of wages, he might just have to play the lad and he might be surprised. He judges people far too quickly for my liking.
 
We need to go back to 433/4231 and play him as the creative mid besides Carrick or Blind with Rooney or Mata at 10.

We are wasting him because of stupid formations and "philosophies".
 
For a side in desperate need of some forceful creativity, it's baffling how underused Herrera is.

He hasn't been outstandingly brilliant, but with enough time he's produced something more often than not. Right now end product is the biggest concern (because the football itself has been dry for a long time).

Slowly becoming a waste of £30m if we wanted a patient and sensible midfielder. He was always meant to be the little bastard who did a lot of running, a lot of passing and moving and a lot of getting in faces. If LVG doesn't want that type of player, why sanction it?
 
Think he will get games anyway, because Rooney and Carrick will be shot well before the end of the season. It usually happens. I know he trusts them, but he is rotating the squad in the wrong places. They are important and we might just need them at their best towards the end.
 
NotoriousISSY said:
For a side in desperate need of some forceful creativity, it's baffling how underused Herrera is.

He hasn't been outstandingly brilliant, but with enough time he's produced something more often than not. Right now end product is the biggest concern (because the football itself has been dry for a long time).

Slowly becoming a waste of £30m if we wanted a patient and sensible midfielder. He was always meant to be the little bastard who did a lot of running, a lot of passing and moving and a lot of getting in faces. If LVG doesn't want that type of player, why sanction it?
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If he could get the quality in defence he will probably play. The fact that we haven't done that is the crime here.
 
Can a Di Maria - Herrera midfield work?

LVG may think it might be too weak defensively, maybe he'll start using it more once United get some better defenders in.
 
Raw said:
Can a Di Maria - Herrera midfield work?

LVG may think it might be too weak defensively, maybe he'll start using it more once United get some better defenders in.
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Both take too many risks on the ball - i.e they want to pass the ball with some fluidity and not back pass three quarters of their passes.
 
As long as LVG remains our manager, I can't see things ending well for Hererra. Brought on in the last second today, feck me.
 
Raw said:
Can a Di Maria - Herrera midfield work?

LVG may think it might be too weak defensively, maybe he'll start using it more once United get some better defenders in.
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I think for all this 3-5-2 he is annoyed that the defence is so brittle and he knows he should be playing free flowing football. I actually think he is annoyed that he is having to play it and defend the fact every week. I bet he didn't realise he had inherited a defence made out of crystal. I think there will be big changes there next season. Another good DM and things should fall into place. Maybe another striker as well.
 
DWelbz19 said:
Both take too many risks on the ball - i.e they want to pass the ball with some fluidity and not back pass three quarters of their passes.
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If we had good defenders that wouldn't be a problem. We have a dodgy defence, so at the moment it is a problem. You could then take risks at times. They don't take as many as people think. The defence take more risks, how is that good. I would rather we took risks round the opposition penalty area, than round our own.
 
Herrera has been like Mata since we signed him, has world class touches but is not emposing or strong enough to get involved enough. He looks way too lightweight. I just don't see a future here for Herrera unless he improves tenfold by next season
 
Shark said:
As long as LVG remains our manager, I can't see things ending well for Hererra. Brought on in the last second today, feck me.
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He might just have to hang in there then, cannot see LvG being long term, so Ander might just have to plod along. We have had plenty of those over the years.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
If we had good defenders that wouldn't be a problem. We have a dodgy defence, so at the moment it is a problem. You could then take risks at times. They don't take as many as people think. The defence take more risks, how is that good. I would rather we took risks round the opposition penalty area, than round our own.
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I don't think the risks they take are necessarily in the passes themselves - they won't just try Hollywood balls for example, but the tempo, the speed, and the weighting they put on a pass to try and up the gear from a very slow possession based period we tend to play when on the ball can be risky as not many of the other players seem to be aware or able to play in such a way. I'm not his biggest fan, but Mata is probably the only other one who can - mainly because of his immaculate first touch. But normally RE: Mata, that's when Ander is on the field. Otherwise, he seems content to play safe for most of the game.
 
--------------Carrick

----Herrara-----------Fellaini/Blind----

--------------Di Maria

-----Rooney------------Falcao
 
AttackingFlair said:
If Van Gaal wants balance then he should play Herrera and bench one of our superstars imo.
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Yep.

Herrera --- Carrick --- Blind
Mata --- Di Maria
Rooney
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Problem solved. Plus bonus points for using the Christmas tree formation.
 
DWelbz19 said:
I don't think the risks they take are necessarily in the passes themselves - they won't just try Hollywood balls for example, but the tempo, the speed, and the weighting they put on a pass to try and up the gear from a very slow possession based period we tend to play when on the ball can be risky as not many of the other players seem to be aware or able to play in such a way. I'm not his biggest fan, but Mata is probably the only other one who can - mainly because of his immaculate first touch. But normally RE: Mata, that's when Ander is on the field. Otherwise, he seems content to play safe for most of the game.
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Mata and Herrera play well together. Mata said that. Also saying Herrera can't look after himself. I seem to remember the second goal against West Ham came about from him going in and winning the ball. He can put himself about and can take a tackle. So that is rubbish. He does up the pace of the game, other teams don't like that. Play it slow and they just pack the defence and let you get on with it. Pass and move and the defence has to move about. We get into the CL and play like we are now, we won't get out of the group.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
I think for all this 3-5-2 he is annoyed that the defence is so brittle and he knows he should be playing free flowing football. I actually think he is annoyed that he is having to play it and defend the fact every week. I bet he didn't realise he had inherited a defence made out of crystal. I think there will be big changes there next season. Another good DM and things should fall into place. Maybe another striker as well.
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Agreed. I've always had a soft spot for LVG since he was manager for Barca when I first started watching the spanish footy on sky. The idea that he would willingly set out a team to be defensive is bizarre, particularly at a club like United who have such an attacking philosophy too. However I think he knows that more important than attractive football right now is getting into the top 4 and getting the team used to winning.
 
I think he'd be great in a 4-3-3 with Di Maria and Carrick/Blind. It's shame we have an overload of central attacking players and not enough quality wide players to make that formation feasible until next year. Unless we move to a 4-3-3 I don't see him getting much game time, which is unfortunate as I like him.
 
bishblaize said:
Agreed. I've always had a soft spot for LVG since he was manager for Barca when I first started watching the spanish footy on sky. The idea that he would willingly set out a team to be defensive is bizarre, particularly at a club like United who have such an attacking philosophy too. However I think he knows that more important than attractive football right now is getting into the top 4 and getting the team used to winning.
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I think if he gets the players he wants, we will see better football next season and plenty of games for everyone. The only players going will be some of our defender, who I actually think he is losing patience with, I actually worry about Shaw there as well, and ones like Fletcher/Anderson and the guys out on loan. He will not want to change any more than that or it will create it's own problems.
 
ForlansHair said:
I think he'd be great in a 4-3-3 with Di Maria and Carrick/Blind. It's shame we have an overload of central attacking players and not enough quality wide players to make that formation feasible until next year. Unless we move to a 4-3-3 I don't see him getting much game time, which is unfortunate as I like him.
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I think we will move to that, but it might be next season. He has got to get us into the CL this season. The defence has let him down with their injuries which has made it a necessity to play 3-5-2 rather than wanting to play it.
 
I reckon he could be off at the end of season. Clear as a day that van Gaal doesn't really rate him and if we can receive a good offer from Valencia/Atletico for instance I am convinced we will offload him. Shame because I really like him but it's just not going to work, he has been frozen since Stoke game and it's not going to change by the look of it.
 
Sarni said:
I reckon he could be off at the end of season. Clear as a day that van Gaal doesn't really rate him and if we can receive a good offer from Valencia/Atletico for instance I am convinced we will offload him. Shame because I really like him but it's just not going to work, he has been frozen since Stoke game and it's not going to change by the look of it.
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my thoughts too. He will probably be sold if we get a decent offer.
 
If there were problems with him and the manager, we would have heard somehow. He looked overjoyed when Fellaini scored. Players who have the hump usually just sit there. Like Jonny Evans.
 
Sarni said:
I reckon he could be off at the end of season. Clear as a day that van Gaal doesn't really rate him and if we can receive a good offer from Valencia/Atletico for instance I am convinced we will offload him. Shame because I really like him but it's just not going to work, he has been frozen since Stoke game and it's not going to change by the look of it.
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That would cause a logical outrage far more reasonable then after selling Welbeck.

Can't imagine aggressive and dynamic side of United without this lad, right now.
 
One of the reason why we look so poor is leaving him out and playing Rooney in midfield, Rooney isnt creative and not reallu sound in short spaces with an abysmal touch, we've sacrificed football for the immense work rate of Roo, but I just dont think it's worth it. Above that, he has goals in him, assists, works hard, can tackle and brings energy, would have him above Mata, who has been doing okay recently but needs to do a lot more, created one chance in 45 min, just not enough.
 
Sammyjunn said:
One of the reason why we look so poor is leaving him out and playing Rooney in midfield, Rooney isnt creative and not reallu sound in short spaces with an abysmal touch, we've sacrificed football for the immense work rate of Roo, but I just dont think it's worth it. Above that, he has goals in him, assists, works hard, can tackle and brings energy, would have him above Mata, who has been doing okay recently but needs to do a lot more, created one chance in 45 min, just not enough.
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LvG might see it that way as well. Who knows the workings of his mind.
 
He's not going to be sold, that's just nonsense. He's not an automatic starter for Van Gaal because we have a lot of other class players, but he still gets plenty of appearances. He's a squad player who rotates in and around the team, sometimes starting, sometimes used as a sub. Just cause in recent years our quality of squad player was the likes of Cleverley and Fletcher, doesn't mean that's what it will always be. To be a better team we have to increase the quality of the whole squad to not feel the absence of players when they pick up injuries.
 
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