I know a couple of people currently on holiday in Washington and one about to go Vegas, they are gutted, the person going to Vegas really wants to go to the Grand Canyon
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That photo sums them up really. A bunch of cnuty old white guys who can't handle the fact that nobody cares what they think anymore. The country is moving on and leaving these fools behind.
Perhaps the Senate assumed they wouldn't show up since the GOP rejected its 18 requests for conference?
Look guys, barros saw a poor person get into a nice car 25 years ago so we ought to take food away from single parents and free lunches away from poor kids. How dare they get into a nice car!
So according to some of you, anyone who happens to disagree with you is either, stupid, crazy or plain clueless?
Isn't that how everyone is?
Yes, that's how most of the Caf is. Neither side can understand how the other can be so stupid...Oh, I missed that memo. Carry on then! 
Oh, I missed that memo. Carry on then!
If you have an argument to make then go for it.
I actually don't. I just found the tone of the thread over the last couple of pages strange. Part of the reason why this shutdown is happening is precisely because people on both sides of the argument are far too certain in their beliefs and aren't open to the possibility that while the other side may be wrong [in their opinion], they may have made some mistake of reasoning that led them to their opinion. Not that they are motivated by stupidity, evil, racism, hatred or whatever.
Well no, it's mostly to do with one fringe of one party, in one half of one branch of government acting like children because a law they don't like that was passed several years ago is being enacted.
That fringe probably thinks you're all stupid too! And isn't that the point of politics? Passing laws you like and repealing or blocking those you don't?
...the law is passed. It's been upheld by the supreme court. The Tea Party has shut down the US government in a vain attempt to pull it. There are no two sides to this argument. They are in the wrong.
Ah yes, here comes the "both sides are equally bad" bullshit. Which is just that. Bullshit. I am no fan of the Democrats, but they have to be put into context with the gaping pit of evil and ignorance that is the GOP. How they remain a viable political party in the US is honestly beyond me. If anyone tried something like this in Norway they would probably be shot.
And we don't even have the death penalty.
And we don't even have the death penalty.
Well clearly they think there are ways to kill the bill (by defunding it), and are going for it. It's probably very annoying, but that's democracy.
Nah, it's not democracy, it's extortion. When you have to resort to closing the federal government to try get something done, you aren't upholding the will of the people.
I don't think I said both sides are equally bad. Someone is wrong, but by labeling them stupid, ignorant and in your words 'evil' you are setting yourself up for exactly this kind of stalemate.
Fair enough.
Fox gleefully reporting the computer glitches with the healthcare rollout but not understanding it's because demand is overwhelming.
Creeping socialism.
Well, it is. A minority might be causing this, but they are doing it using democratic institutions and the political process. Calling it extortion is probably accurate, but that doesn't matter since extortion is a viable political tactic.
I'm pretty sure extortion is illegal.
Is there any particular reason the caf tends to refer to them almost exclusively as the GOP? Are there negative connotations to it?
I like how you've gone from "they're both in the wrong here" to "yeah they're trying to extort the government, so what?" in less than a page.
You're right in that this describes the general dysfunctional nature of how things have gotten here, and what's often a typically pretty ridiculous tone on this board. For constructive political discourse, consensus building, getting things done, etc. it's dreadful.
In this case though, we're talking about specifics. A specific timeout, law, process, faction, tactic, etc. In this case I'd say it really is a case of one set of self-righteous delusionots that think they care about their country while somehow simultaneously not caring about its people. It's a self-reinforcing closed circle of closed minds. Typically they're the sort you'd just ignore, but given where they're sitting... They thrive on their siege mentality, so maybe we should take the bait and put them under siege. Would be nice if the sane end of the GOP would pitch in.
I particularly like barros 'point' about how all food stamp claimants use it to buy drugs .
the typical Republican mindset. I use the word mind lightly here.
.the typical Republican mindset. I use the word mind lightly here.
I particularly like barros 'point' about how all food stamp claimants use it to buy drugs
the typical Republican mindset. I use the word mind lightly here.
Yet when you call people like that stupid they get all upset. Why should we have to make allowances for stupids?
The argument about its just democracy is completely dishonest btw. If the teabaggers were honest, run on their 'policy'. The fact is they do know that they cannot win. So they hold the government hostage.
to brad's point. The sane end of the GOP Has pitched in. Its just Boner and his ilk don't have the bollocks to do what is right. They are soooo afraid of Ted Cruz....I'm ordering my pop corns early to see this clown get nominated by the loons.
It's an acronym for the official party name, Grand Old Party.
The irony in that it is indeed based on old, outdated conservative views that are practically no longer valid except to wealthy white people and closeted/open racists. Sadly, many people not in the aforementioned category still vote Republican despite the party's (and its corporate backers, such outstanding citizens like the Koch brothers) attempts to keep the majority of the public below middle-class and keep themselves wealthy (and garner more and more wealth to themselves).
Now that I think about it, GOP should be re-branded the Greedy Oppressive Party.
They're wonderful, I know, but I was wondering specifically if there was any reason this forum seems more inclined than the media I tend to come across to choose the term 'GOP' over 'Republicans'.
I'm going to assume Redcafe just likes acronyms...
The biggest con job the GOP have pulled is convincing people that are not in the 1% bracket that they have their interests at heart.
they play big time to the bigots...and the overwhelming majority vote Republican.
I'm fairly sure I said no such thing, just that the tone of the argument was the wrong tone and it was a part of the reason why the stalemate has led to government shut down. But to answer your point there, I don't think they are 'extorting' anyone. The political process requires one to use whatever leverage they can in these types of negotiations to weaken a particular law one does not like, or to strengthen one does like; hence my 'so what' stance. I'm sure most of you wouldn't have problem with these kind of tactics if there was a particular law which you opposed vehemently from principle.
You're just repeating the mistake really.
I'm pretty sure shutting down a government isn't part of the "political process", as intended.
I'm sure you would have a problem with this if it was Democrats doing the extorting.
I'm sure you would have a problem with this if it was Democrats doing the extorting.
Anyway I'm against this obamacare crap, I do have insurance which I can get the doctors I want and I don't want them to change to a cheap version with a premium pay, waiting to see next January since nobody knows (besides the insurance companies) the changes.
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