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What is the point of American Elections?. I admit i don't follow it that closely , but surely if you have been voted in by a landslide ,Republicans and the Tea Party should not have any say.
 
While you and I are perfectly willing to pay the taxes for the ACA, the point is that the TEA people are not dishonest, they honestly don't intend to fund other people's health care and damn the consequences. Of course, these are the same people who don't believe in publicly funded parks or zoos and probably want libraries to be self-sufficient. Cheap money-hoarders the lot of them. (until we get to the issue of toll roads)

A thought--whether provided by the state (our tax dollars) or private sources, isn't health care for those who can't afford it "charity?"

By the way, my wife works for the federal government, so this shutdown might start affecting us real soon.

If you can't afford it and there would be obviously people who can't, the single payer system is designed to take care of that. Usually the healthy pays for the sick in most cases so what tends to happen is you focus on preventative care to eventually bring the entire cost of overall healthcare down. Your question also shows the inept thought process of those (not you) who think it's charity. Whether you're poor, rich or whatever...sickness, cancer, and all the other health problems don't discriminate and any first world developed country can more than afford to take care of the less fortunate and the sick who can't afford it. You can't call America the best country in the world while it's citizens go broke when they sick or die if they can't afford to simply go get checked out. It's people we're dealing with, not cattle.
 
What is the point of American Elections?

As frustrated as we are with the results sometimes, the workings of democracy in America is a wonder to behold. No one branch off power has absolute control. If there was a genuine respect and love for the country, it can work. Unfortunately the minority (the old majority) do not like (fear) their way of life disappearing...and are fighting it.
 
What is the point of American Elections?. I admit i don't follow it that closely , but surely if you have been voted in by a landslide ,Republicans and the Tea Party should not have any say.


Different branch of government, checks and balances and such. Of course, this wasn't what was intended by that, but it is what it is. As Sir Matt mentioned earlier on as well, they even got a hefty number of votes less than the Dems in the House anyway, but some very efficient gerrymandering kept them as the biggest party.
 
What is the point of American Elections?. I admit i don't follow it that closely , but surely if you have been voted in by a landslide ,Republicans and the Tea Party should not have any say.

I assume you are talking about the post about votes for the House of Representatives. What you have to realize is that each congressional district has its own election for its Representative, it is not one giant national vote and whatever party wins gets all the seats. For instance on election day when the congressional seat for my district is up for a vote, I get to vote but only for who I want to represent my district. Nobody from any other district gets to have a say nor do I get to have a say in who is voted for in other districts.

Same with Senators, two per state. I only get to vote for who will be the Senators from my state (New York) not for who will be the Senators from Wisconsin or California or Texas.

Nothing really that complicated.
 
As opposed to the hideous workings of democracy in Western Europe?


I wish we had a parliamentary system here. 6 week election cycles would be nice too. Not having to vote for every judge, sheriff, supervisor and dog-catcher would be a fecking improvement too.
 
I feel sorry for all the reasonable Americans who thought they were done being embarrassed when Bush left.
 
Don't worry. We still have a monarchy. That's far sillier in principle.

At least she could turn around to the government and sack them all for being complete feckwits if she wanted too. Not that that would ever happen...
 
I assume you are talking about the post about votes for the House of Representatives. What you have to realize is that each congressional district has its own election for its Representative, it is not one giant national vote and whatever party wins gets all the seats. For instance on election day when the congressional seat for my district is up for a vote, I get to vote but only for who I want to represent my district. Nobody from any other district gets to have a say nor do I get to have a say in who is voted for in other districts.

Same with Senators, two per state. I only get to vote for who will be the Senators from my state (New York) not for who will be the Senators from Wisconsin or California or Texas.

Nothing really that complicated.


Yes, but if you draw the districts "properly" you can consistently win a majority of the districts despite losing the overall vote. In North Carolina in 2012, Democrats went into the election with 7 seats while Republicans had 6. Afterwards, thanks to efficient gerrymandering, the Democrats won 50.6% of the popular vote but only 4 of North Carolina's 13 seats. The Republicans received 48.75% of the vote and won 9 seats.
 
Yes, but if you draw the districts "properly" you can consistently win a majority of the districts despite losing the overall vote. In North Carolina in 2012, Democrats went into the election with 7 seats while Republicans had 6. Afterwards, thanks to efficient gerrymandering, the Democrats won 50.6% of the popular vote but only 4 of North Carolina's 13 seats. The Republicans received 48.75% of the vote and won 9 seats.

Yes and without gerrymandering you could carry a few districts by a large margin lose the others by a small. Gerrymandering is nothing new has been an process both sides have used for as long as the country has been around. Anytime you change the boundries of districts you get fights over how the lines should be drawn. Some cases are worse then others, some attempts at it are more subtle than others. Hell 30 some years ago when I was in school we studied about gerrymandering.

In NY State when they redraw the districts there is always a fight from both sides over the districts and in truth both sides are trying to draw teh shapes to their advantage.

Nothing new under the sun, it does stink, but it is nothing new.

Oh yeah feck the Tea Party.
 
Yes and without gerrymandering you could carry a few districts by a large margin lose the others by a small. Gerrymandering is nothing new has been an process both sides have used for as long as the country has been around. Anytime you change the boundries of districts you get fights over how the lines should be drawn. Some cases are worse then others, some attempts at it are more subtle than others. Hell 30 some years ago when I was in school we studied about gerrymandering.

In NY State when they redraw the districts there is always a fight from both sides over the districts and in truth both sides are trying to draw teh shapes to their advantage.

Nothing new under the sun, it does stink, but it is nothing new.

Oh yeah feck the Tea Party.


Yes, but I don't know that it has been quite as bad as it is in a long time. It's easier and cheaper to buy state legislatures than it is to buy Congress. In North Carolina, the governor has no ability to veto redistricting. The governor didn't gain the right to veto until 1996. Given the recent Supreme Court decision, the DOJ won't clear re-districting for the most part or stop bad gerrymandering. Because of the 2010 election, the Democrats can't conceivably recover control of the House until it's re-done. So, despite a shrinking pool over GOP voters, the GOP should be able to maintain control of the House for 10 years despite consistently losing overall. State legislatures should not be in charge of redistricting at all.

The GOP/Tea Party has also discussed attempting to repeal the 17th Amendment so that they can govern from the minority in that house too.
 
Saw this on Facebook

Benjamin Franklin once said: "I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it."

Thursday The House of Representatives approved sweeping reforms to the nations food stamp program that would cut about $40 BILLION in nutrition aid over 10 years and deny benefits to millions beginning in 2014.

My hope is that Mr. Franklin's ideas will become reality. That people will find reliance in Christ and themselves instead of the government, and be driven out from under the thumb of the oppressor.



These fecking people...
 
I am in Kentucky right now, working on the state exchange here. They are using the product of company I work for. Funny following all the US media coverage on exchanges, while working on one.
 
It amazes me all the political experts that visit Facebook, and how some are backing God over reality in a bizarre decision. Majority of the comments I've seen reflect a clear lack of knowledge of actual facts in regards to ACA, the mythical Congress exemption from ACA, the blame game towards Pres Obama, and much more. I've refused to comment/debate as it's pointless. People follow their ideology when it comes to party lines. It's rare one alters his/her beliefs after he/she reaches a certain age. Fortunately, I did, but it took a crazy group of lunatics hellbent on taking over the government and imposing their will on the public to open my eyes and mind. Damn shame others can't see what I and others like me have seen.

Btw, a poll released today might open the eyes of these idiots on Facebook.
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institute...titute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1958
 
I am in Kentucky right now, working on the state exchange here. They are using the product of company I work for. Funny following all the US media coverage on exchanges, while working on one.



KY is a real eye-opener of a state. If you go to anybody's home for dinner be sure to ask them to show you their guns. It's a sure thing that they will have a mini-arsenal at home and take you out into the woods to shoot the shit out of stuff. Be sure to tell them you aren't a Muslim though.
 
Exchange is at 1.62 still, any chance of this going higher or should I get my dollars today?
 
when you take food from the mouths of the poor, what will happen? denying them food is going to cause a greater burden to the government. People do not want to be on food stamps. Why cant these people figure this out.


You do realize that most of the food stamps are sold for half the price for drugs? I'm giving you the example of Philadelphia and Camden. Never forget when I came to US 25 years ago and saw 2 good looking women paying with food stamps (my wife told me when I asked about the checks they handled to the cashier) and then I saw them getting in a new cadillac, nice.
 
You do realize that most of the food stamps are sold for half the price for drugs? I'm giving you the example of Philadelphia and Camden. Never forget when I came to US 25 years ago and saw 2 good looking women paying with food stamps (my wife told me when I asked about the checks they handled to the cashier) and then I saw them getting in a new cadillac, nice.

and what percentage do you believe of all food stamp recipients do this? Assuming what you say is true at all.
 
How are the media presenting this over there? Are they being disingenuously even-handed or calling it as it is?
 
Negotiating the law, huh. I'm pretty sure the accurate term for this is "extortion".
 
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