I don't think he'd take our midfield to the top level. It never works out if there is a weakling (passing in his case) in the set-up by surrounding him with superior players. He is not very good on the ball, Mainoo is still developing and we have Bruno, who already uses the ball as a hot potato. We'd find it mighty tough to keep hold of the ball with those three as our midfielders. We need to pair Mainoo with a Rodri/Carrick like midfielder if we want to better our midfield.
Those players don’t come around too often.
I look at the market right now and the only one I see that might tick the box of that complete DPL mould is Mats Wieffer, and even there you’d have to wonder wether he’d be able to handle the step up from the eredivisie.
I think Onana is good enough, at least in the mean time, and we really have to get someone for that position this summer.
He'll cost 50m-60m, for that amount you want more than someone who is good enough. I rather take a punt on Wharton than sign this guy.
I’d be happy to have Wharton, I don’t think Onana is much worse though and I think Everton would be more open to a sale.
Absolutely nothing. Sorry if it offended you in any way. I just wanted to point out that there must be other "Onanas" available for a cheaper price. They don't necessarily have to be of African descent. However, players with Onana's type and talent often come from there.What’s his ethnic background got to do with anything here?
Yeah I think he is more an 8 than a 6. We have four of those already. Thought he was good the other night, nice range of passing and covered the ground well.Is this guy one of our targets? Is he even a DM? I see him more as an #8
Absolutely nothing. Sorry if it offended you in any way. I just wanted to point out that there must be other "Onanas" available for a cheaper price. They don't necessarily have to be of African descent. However, players with Onana's type and talent often come from there.
There are plenty of examples of really good players with that background.
definitely better options than this lad for our midfield
Sorry mate but that’s rubbish. Have you seen his passing? Wayward at best.Simply not true. He very rarely gives the ball away. Even in a team like Everton. That is more important than creating for someone like him.
The players you mention would, in many cases, have been even better, so I completely agree with you.Sorry too. Replied to your ‘nothing’. Then deleted when I saw you expanded.
Just felt a little silly. Paulinha, Xhaka, Rodri, Wharton, Rice, all have the same skill set.
It felt like you were suggesting there was some generic African CDM production line that could be tapped into.
Probably too sensitive.
OK let's have some suggestions
Neves - Yes, but probably out of our price range.Neves, Alvarez, Vitinha just to name three off the top of my head
OK let's have some suggestions
Dyche doesn't look to exert control through midfield hence Onana's on the ball attributes aren't going to be highlighted in such a setup. He's obviously a player with a high level of pace and power but his technical game is good and his ability to receive passes under pressure for such a big guy is quite impressive.I just read lot of comments in Everton forum about Onana. Most Everton fans won’t be gutted if he leaves. Some people think he’s not that good. Some also think he’s not that good but will be good if he plays for a bigger team that want to play more possession football. While some people think he’s actually talented but has been mis-used because they think of him as power and pace player due to his size and recovery pace but in reality his fundamental is more about silky and technical, which he will be much better playing in a team that wants to play more possession.
Apparently, Onana has been criticised due to him not being as hard work as Gana (Gueye). Gueye is more suitable to play under Sean Dyche. While Onana seems to be more a deeplying playmaker rather than ball winner like Gueye or Kante.
Dyche doesn't look to exert control through midfield hence Onana's on the ball attributes aren't going to be highlighted in such a setup. He's obviously a player with a high level of pace and power but his technical game is good and his ability to receive passes under pressure for such a big guy is quite impressive.
So whether you want to go more direct in a vertical manner or want to implement a positional game (possession football) on the ball in the build up phase, Onana fits into both setups due to his ability to strengthen the resting defense in a higher line which is a requirement in both a direct and positional approach. And he's also someone that has shown a good level when it comes to receiving passes under pressure and driving the ball forward.
Instead of signing Branthwaite, I think Onana would be the better signing for us because not only would he add everything I've mentioned above but also his aerial game would help against teams who go direct both in open play and on setpieces. And when you have someone like Onana who gives you a different dimension from midfield, it should open up the possibility of signing a Marc Guehi or Odilon Kossounou for the RCB position who are both physically and athletically gifted and can play in possession.
In many ways, this type of player is exactly what EtH wants for his style of football. Extremely hard-working, covering large areas of the pitch. Good in duels and with decent passing ability.
Also physically strong and tall, which is advantageous during set pieces. Being European, he wouldn't miss matches due to international tournaments.
Frankly, this type of player is exactly what United has been missing since Keane left and a player that all other top teams have had over the past ten years, but we've lacked.
Players like Rodri, Partey, Bissouma, Rice, Luiz, etc.
So, having a player of this type and a big, strong forward seems perfectly suited to how football is played in today's Premier League.
Yes and no. Rodri is a better footballer overall and Keane was more aggressive.Agree with the first bit, definitely not the last! If ETH is going to continue with a similar setup next year then we need players like Onana that are built to cover long distances. He’d be a good addition.
I don’t think he’s anything like Rodri or Keane though! We’d still be missing a midfielder who can control the game. But it didn’t seem like controlling the game was particularly important to ETH last year.
We need a coherent consistent football style and only sign players that fit that profile. I don't think we have such a plan in placeRegardless of whatever other skill a player possesses, the first thing we should be looking for is technique and guile. That’s how you build a competent midfield like City, Madrid and co. Any thing other than that and you’re risking staying average and having issues like Mctominay. Onana isn’t the type of player we should sign, he’s an average player who’s able to have great games every now and then due to his physicality.
It depends on whether Partey stays next season. Zubimendi and Douglas Luiz are not available anymore. So Onana is linked. Nothing will happen till the Euro is over though.Arteta will bid for this guy. Arteta loves his ball winners and dual winners. Another giant to add to the collection and set piece targets.
If the aim is to be a more dominant team in possession, then what is required out of possession is extremely important in the current EPL. I don't believe we can be a dominant team in possession without also having the ability to be dominant out of possession. Both concepts (in & out of possession) are linked and ignoring one or the other will result in our system of play not functioning to a high enough level.Personally I'd like a player with a more expansive passive range next to Mainoo. I feel like this pairing - where both players primarily like to dribble and lay it off in possession - could force Bruno to drop into deeper positions when we do want to go more direct. And Bruno is a player I think does his best work playing closer to his centre forward.
It is asking an awful lot for a player to be a visionary passer and a sublime athlete however, so we'll have to compromise somewhere. I suppose if the CB we bring in is excellent at forward passes a la Licha, there's less of a need to have that in your double pivot.
This says we submitted a bit of £50M:
https://www.goodisonnews.com/2024/0...tar-amadou-onana-personal-terms-also-offered/
If we submitted a bid especially for £50m for any EPL players, tier 1 journalist in the country like Ornstein would have report it.This says we submitted a bit of £50M:
https://www.goodisonnews.com/2024/0...tar-amadou-onana-personal-terms-also-offered/
If we submitted a bid especially for £50m for any EPL players, tier 1 journalist in the country like Ornstein would have report it.
If we sign Branthwaite and Onana god help us.
We need a CB who can cover for Martinez, not just a left footer, but more importantly a CB who can step into Licha’s shoes and dictate the play and make something happen. Branthwaite is okay on the ball from what I’ve seen but is probably no better than Maguire who as we’ve seen cannot lace Licha’s boots when it comes to build up play.
Onana is a physical monster, I’ll give you that, but with the ball we need better. We either need someone who is very progressive and expansive, or someone who is meticulously tidy and is great at retaining the ball. Onana is neither of these.
So who should be looking to sign then?
Excluding unrealistic targets like Tchouameni etc:
CB - Medina, Diomande, Tapsoba, Todibo, Geertruida
DM - Neves, Baleba, Ugarte
