I’d like to agree with that but seeing as De Gea is never dropped or that Weghorst gets games as a 10 with Fernandes shunted out wide I think ETH is so stubborn and hates being proven wrong that he’d persist regardless of form.
Amad Diallo | Sunderland Loan Watch
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I’d like to agree with that but seeing as De Gea is never dropped or that Weghorst gets games as a 10 with Fernandes shunted out wide I think ETH is so stubborn and hates being proven wrong that he’d persist regardless of form.
He needs to be in the mix for the first-team squad next season. We're desperate for players who know how to use the ball well and Amad is one of those players. We're going to play a lot of games again next season so there should be plenty of minutes to go around, I'd be really disappointed if we loaned him out again.
When to pass / not shoot, when to shoot / not pass, how to score 20+ league goals a season every year.
I've not watched full Sunderland games, so happy to be corrected....but hasn't Amad played through the middle a fair bit too?
When you consider we are lacking some goal threat and we are over reliant on some players...isn't a player like him in the squad ideal? He can play right or down the middle so has a versatility that we may find a real benefit given our lack of quality beyond our first 11.
I'm all for another loan if that's what ETH decides, but I'd love to see what he can do here, there will be loads of games.
Maybe until Jan to see how he gets on in the Premier League on loan?....but last thing you need is a situation like Rangers where he doesn't play.
Sometimes you need to ride that wave of confidence.
That being said I am curious to see what her do at Brentford but they will happily develop their own (rightly so). Bournemouth? Fulham maybe? Again they may not want to develop our talent for a year I don't know.
Maybe one of the promoted sides but he may not see enough of the ball?
It's a tough one
When you consider we are lacking some goal threat and we are over reliant on some players...isn't a player like him in the squad ideal? He can play right or down the middle so has a versatility that we may find a real benefit given our lack of quality beyond our first 11.
I'm all for another loan if that's what ETH decides, but I'd love to see what he can do here, there will be loads of games.
Maybe until Jan to see how he gets on in the Premier League on loan?....but last thing you need is a situation like Rangers where he doesn't play.
Sometimes you need to ride that wave of confidence.
That being said I am curious to see what her do at Brentford but they will happily develop their own (rightly so). Bournemouth? Fulham maybe? Again they may not want to develop our talent for a year I don't know.
Maybe one of the promoted sides but he may not see enough of the ball?
It's a tough one
He has some resemblance to Tadić, I wonder if could emulate the style Tadić displayed in ETH's Ajax. It's just food for thought though
Salah will probably be having beers and chilling out in the summer...that is no good for Antony
I don't think that really mattered. He's had plenty of time to get used to his teammates, and preseason was largely needed for others because they did not know Ten Hag's system. Antony did. Hence why Ten Hag did not bench Antony to start the season, but did integrate Casemiro and Ronaldo more slowly.
Nah, he’s forced to pick crap players because the alternatives are similarly crap. Which is a problem that the addition of Diallo to our squad would hopefully solve.
I see what you mean but I’d like to think that with more choices next season (hopefully!) he would be less like that
Great strike yesterday. I guess he'll get his chance in pre-season and then it's down to him whether he does enough to suggest he can play a part next season. Without wanting to bring the top 4 doom to this thread, that could make a difference too. Easier to see him staying here if he can be given starts in the EL.
Hopefully we can send another talent to Sunderland next year. Manager who's shown he can get the best out of youth, the experience of playing in front of big crowds at a good level and they play some excellent football too.
Hopefully we can send another talent to Sunderland next year. Manager who's shown he can get the best out of youth, the experience of playing in front of big crowds at a good level and they play some excellent football too.
if sunderland get promoted, it’s a no brainer to leave him there next season. he’s comfortable, he’s seemingly loved by the fans and management. let him find his feet in the premier league with less pressure on him.
if he comes back here, he’ll have one bad preseason friendly and most of you will already be on his back and asking why we’re entrusting a young kid who’s only played 3 games of top flight football, to one of our attacking berths.
if he comes back here, he’ll have one bad preseason friendly and most of you will already be on his back and asking why we’re entrusting a young kid who’s only played 3 games of top flight football, to one of our attacking berths.
Keep hearing good things about him on loan. Would probably be best to give him a shot in the offseason to see how it goes. If things look a bit too crowded then he can always go back on loan, although he will at some point probably want to return to United or else find another permanent club.
I disagree that is the only thing that determined his fee. He was bought as a marquee signing and ETH has high hopes for him. He may still go on to achieve that but he's not going to get the same reaction as a 15 million pound signing is he.
Fans that called him a rat face or whatever -- yeah we've always had toxic fans like that but by in large we're just a little disappointed in the impact of the signing but most including myself have not written him off. First seasons can be tough.
Anyway, to stay on topic I agree the jump to the premier league and for United is very significant. Anthony at Sunderland would probably destroy the league.
I see where you're coming from. But in your approach you are accepting minimal end product from the RW, which is again fine depending on the set up. Like if we had a proper no.9 scoring and assisting, and maybe a RB who is also contributing.
This Antony doesn't work in this set up long term, not enough. Hopefully either he picks it up or we have better output from striker and RB to compensate.
I don't think so but if you are right, ETH won't last long.
ETH is not evaluated by his use of Antony, he’s evaluated by how he makes us perform. It’s such a poor argument, really. Would he be daft to play a better player (if Amad turns out to be one)? Have you seen anyone criticizing Pep for benching Ibrahimovic (or tons of expensive signings that found their place on the bench, temporarily or not)?
But then can you justify his selection for half the season? Certainly wasn't based on his performance
It was because when he was out/injured for a period we were shite.
His alternatives that have been tried have been worse than him, we are more threatening when hes playing usually
Antony was at one point dropped for Sancho if I remember correctly and he was shite
Had a great season so far with them, there's no way they could buy him unless they go up?
He comes back in for pre season and see how he goes or who comes in, otherwise another season loan could work well?
He comes back in for pre season and see how he goes or who comes in, otherwise another season loan could work well?
No need to get pissy about it. Just his opinion, he could come back next season and be fantastic, no one knows.
We don't have anyone else for his position who justifies benching Antony, it's that simple. Amad in this form would be such a player.
He didn't exactly set the Eredivisie alight with Ajax so I can't imagine him destroying too many leagues.
Sabitzer is not similarly crap to Weghorst though, and he still picked his Dutch buddy over him against West Ham.
I can’t see why we would loan him out again. The right side is still an issue for us and we need options. We don’t have enough funds to get a RW in the summer either.
Wout was picked over Martial against West Ham. Sabitzer seems to have been out of favour for the last few games but he was dropped to accommodate Martial, not Wout.
yeah seems with EtH not really rating pellistri much makes sense to bring in amad for the backup RW spot to antony.
I still rate Antony and think he has a lot of progress to come but Antony-Amad feels like a weak area of the team positionally. I think ideally we'd buy a fully up to speed RW and have Antony learn of them but there's no chance we can afford that luxury.
meh you have to just assume that antony will make the step up next year. Hes a weird player, IMO a lot of the time he looks good when you watch him up until the end result. Feel like a top CF and a better midfield and he should shine more. Ideally as well thered be a RB actually offering something going forward as well. Id keep sancho another year as well since his value is prob shit right now and he might be able to contribute a bit.
I think Antony/Amad/Pellestri would make it our second strongest position in terms of quality depth behind Rashford/Garnacho/Sancho. CB would be a close third?
Only if they reach their potential though. They’re still relative unknowns on the big stage and have barely played any PL minutes.
Valid view, but equally if EtH wanted to play Bruno on the right and Rashford up top then Sabitzer was the obvious choice in the no. 10 role.
Either way, EtH is still giving Wout game time when there are clearly better alternatives to him (whether that be Martial, Sabitzer, Sancho, or even a completely out of match fitness Garnacho). If he can't see that his loan signing is a total bust, then it wouldn't surprise me if he continued to put his faith in his megabucks RW signing, irrespective of Amad's form.
Pellestri hasn't exactly been given a fair shake either, even though he has shown more spark than Antony in his limited appearances.
I’m not getting pissy but do you not see how ridiculous that sounds? He’s on another level to the rest of their players….who would play premier league football next season if they manage to get up…yet Amad would be the player they get rid of.
If were talking purely bodies then yes, but same could be said in the GK position with De Gea, Heaton and Butland. It about quality not quantity.
I’m not talking about the number of options hence why I said quality depth. Antony and Amad are strong options for a starting spot with Pellestri and even Sancho as back up too.
No not really. Maybe he's being a little harsh with his judgement but the step up from Championship to Premier League is big. You make it sound like he's been the shining star of the season when actually there's been several.
He isn't forced to pick Weghorst at #10. He can play Bruno there and one of the actual wingers (Sancho, Pellistri) out wide. He choses to do that.
So impressed with what Amad has done at Sunderland. Getting him back would strengthen our depth at rw considerably imo since we currently only have Antony really (who can have some off games). ETH clearly doesn't like Sancho there (and he's simply been crap most times he's played). Bruno has played well there but you'd still ideally want him in the centre. Garnacho's not been tried on the rw but I'm guessing ETH has tried him in training there and doesn't think it suits him.
Big step up in quality obviously but his talent and creativity in particular could definitely help if he can make the transition. I do worry a bit about how little chance ETH has generally given youth players even when they've outperformed other players, specifically Pellistri and to a lesser extent Garnacho (even though he did kinda manage to change that a bit with his performances, even if not to the point of becoming a regular starter)
Big step up in quality obviously but his talent and creativity in particular could definitely help if he can make the transition. I do worry a bit about how little chance ETH has generally given youth players even when they've outperformed other players, specifically Pellistri and to a lesser extent Garnacho (even though he did kinda manage to change that a bit with his performances, even if not to the point of becoming a regular starter)
He often chooses Weghorst due to lack of height in the team. We had a very good run while playing Wout, including the Barca matches.
Sancho and Pellistri don't really fit EtH's philosophy on the right as they are right footed. Unless there is a specific need to get to the by-line and cross, Amad will always have the advantage of fitting in as a left footer.
Weghorst doesn´t use his height very well imo, not sure i can remember any time i felt that he was strong in the air.
Ten Hag has signed one Dutch player and loaned one when the club wouldn't back him and he had no other options, will people stop pushing this nonsense that he only signs Dutch players. We have more Brazilians than any other nationality and I never seen anyone complain about too many brazilian players. We even had a Dutch player when he arrived, and Ten Hag barely used him.