I'm not really doubting this, it's just been proven time and again that it's such a big step up, and ETH has got to be convinced or he won't even get a chance to prove it either way, (for us anyway).
Amad Diallo | Sunderland Loan Watch
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I'm not really doubting this, it's just been proven time and again that it's such a big step up, and ETH has got to be convinced or he won't even get a chance to prove it either way, (for us anyway).
He’s obviously got something about him and this loan has been great for him.
Was listening to Jonathan Wilson on the Guardian Football Weekly and he (as a Sunderland fan) was saying that promotion could actually be brutal for Sunderland, as they’re very young and raw. One more season in the championship to build on what they’ve done this season and push for automatic, rather than getting in through the playoffs by the skin of their teeth and getting battered by City et. al, would probably be better for them.
And Amad can have one more year to hone his talents and become a truly solid player. Unless he really is ready for our first team, I’m just not truly convinced just yet and think he’d develop better playing competitive football week in week out.
Was listening to Jonathan Wilson on the Guardian Football Weekly and he (as a Sunderland fan) was saying that promotion could actually be brutal for Sunderland, as they’re very young and raw. One more season in the championship to build on what they’ve done this season and push for automatic, rather than getting in through the playoffs by the skin of their teeth and getting battered by City et. al, would probably be better for them.
And Amad can have one more year to hone his talents and become a truly solid player. Unless he really is ready for our first team, I’m just not truly convinced just yet and think he’d develop better playing competitive football week in week out.
Yeah, I kind of agree with this. In terms of his long term development one more season in the same league, with the same team could be the making of him. His manager only recently said how he was struggling to adapt, physically, to playing a full season so it would be no harm for him to really consolidate at that level. And he’ll still be only 21 at the end of it. Perfect age to take the next step.
No he won't, ten Hag wouldn't spend so much on Antony and bench him in his 2nd season.
I actually think Amad will go back out on loan next season to a PL side.
A mate of mine is a season ticket holder at Sunderland and he loves him but doesn't think he's good enough for a side near the top of the prem.
Antony has it in his locker for sure, but Amad has a much better technique and hits them with far more consistency. Really hope Antony can work on it as he creates a lot of openings and opportunities to do so. If I was Ten Hag I would get Antony studying Salah all summer.
Amad Pellistri GarnachoGarnacho- Pellestri - Amad
Seems a great combination, especially with someone like Kane or Osimhen up top
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If that does happen, we should throw them Zidane Iqbal, Hannibal or Mainoo (although I see Mainoo potentially being phased straight in like a Greenwood or Foden over time) as well as a reward.
I agree. Unfortunately the caf always has to have a pariah that they mercilessly go after. It doesn't matter if it's an academy player, a new signing, the captain etc. It's a weird phenomenon that is utterly toxic and a stain on the fanbase. Antony has the tools and the mentality to make it. If he can tie it all together consistently, he'll be a really great player to have in the squad.
He’s a 100 million signing playing not much higher than a mid table winger.
I think he’s very talented and there’s a chance he turns it around second season but there’s hardly a conspiracy here he’s been poor
Garner had a good season and we've lacked depth in midfield (still do) but no one considered him to be an outstanding talent. Amad clearly is one, what an odd comparison.
I really don't think he's been poor. It's been a mixed bag but it's surely clear as day that we play a lot better as a team in the majority of games with him on the pitch.
Ah come on. It's not about it being a conspiracy. People get weirdly personal on here with players they don't like. I saw a comment calling him a rat face cretin a few days ago - that's a level of hostility that is fairly routine and increasingly pervasive on this site. It's extremely toxic and way over the top by any metric.
Neither are Sunderland, you should have told him
They will fail at the first play off hurdle mate, don't worry about that #madhattergoingup.
I think he will be very useful for our squad. He also played in AM in some games this season and I also remember he played well under Ole in false 9 role against Wolves. ten Hag can use him to cover three positions.
What a turn around for him this season. From not playing at rangers to being great in the championship.
I think there's no need for another loan, he's ready swim or sink next season.
I think there's no need for another loan, he's ready swim or sink next season.
You need to think of his long term development. ETH wont bench his 80million winger. Would be daft to do so. So when will Amad get the playing time to develop; gain enough experience where the game starts to slow-down for him a little? Plus Bruno never seems to be injured.
Glad that he’s doing so well in the championship but people are jumping the gun a little. Making it at championship level and PL level are two very different things. Someone even suggested we didn’t actually need a right winger last summer when there’s no chance any decent manager would rely on such a raw Amad last summer.
Anyway hope he makes a big impact in the PL next year. It’s on him to instil faith in his manager that he’s capable of it. Maybe a great preseason in addition to this championship form will do that.
Anyway hope he makes a big impact in the PL next year. It’s on him to instil faith in his manager that he’s capable of it. Maybe a great preseason in addition to this championship form will do that.
Yea from his development point of view it will be awful if he goes from having nearly 40 appearances this season to about 10 (referring to Pellistri as example) once he's back here.
Antony can only play 1st half great and he always fades away in 2nd half. I think Amad must be brought back to backup Antony and occasionally start. I also think he could play AM, he can be throw in when we need a goal.
People are all expecting instant heroes coming in. There are just very few of them. Even Ronaldo took half a season to kick on. The reason why United has such a record with academy kids is because we are patient. We dont pump and dump them.
You are assuming that Antony etc won't have a better idea of what to expect in their 2nd season.
He will have a pre-season that will improve the fitness levels required for an entire season at the prem. Antony barely had any pre-season going into the 2022/23 season. (He went on 'strike' remember?)
He only got to United on the 2nd of Sept 2022.
Antony will be much improved next season. But that leaves the question of what to do with Amad if Antony goes on to perform to the levels ETH expects.
SAF sent Welbeck to Sunderland on loan to operate on the left wing. When he came back, he was gradually integrated to the team and formed a partnership with Rooney and even started for England.
Amad will be part of the team next season. It’s the writing on the wall!
Amad will be part of the team next season. It’s the writing on the wall!
If we sell Martial and VDB then he can provide cover for Bruno's backup and striker's backup, not just the RW spot. I think there is plenty of minutes we can give to Amad.
Garnacho was getting plenty of time before his injury, if Amad shows ten Hag that he deserves a chance he'll get it.
Different sort of player though. Ganarcho, who is more direct can make an instant impact coming off the bench. In my eyes, Amad is more of a playmaker who happens to be slotted on the RW and can score goals too.
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Why would it be daft to do so if, as seems very likely, Amad is the better player? Antony's performances is one of the best arguments for bringing back Amad as competition.
So what your friend is saying is that if Amad was actually a Sunderland player and they came up in the playoffs then they would look to sell him. Ok.
Honestly I think it's sink or swim time, I think if he goes on loan next year it needs to be a better league whether its with Sunderland or some other top league team. I think there would be some teams interested in him across the top 5 leagues if we want more game time for him. But going back to the Championship is not his next step. He's gonna be 21 next month, if he goes back to the Championship he'll be 22 when he returns and still be lacking playing time at the top leagues. If he can't push out Ganarcho, Pellistri, and Elanga to be on the bench week in and week out next season then he's not gonna make it here anyway. So to me he either goes somewhere better than the Championship or he stays with us. He deserves a shot, I think we keep him for the first half of next season and if he still can't make it then you can send him out on loan again.
89million. No way. ETH believes in his potential too much.
I was just about to reply to the post above saying "posters get obsessed with the fee" and lo and behold, here we are.
The fee is not on the player. The fee is a function of us being desperate late in the window and Ajax not wanting or needing to sell.
Anthony has probably been our best wide player this season, depending on whether you class Rashford as a forward/wide player. He's a different type of wide player though, than United fans are used to seeing. We are however, a much better team with him than without him and he would always be one of the first names on the teamsheet for me
Even if his big signing is as underwhelming as he's generally been this season ?
What is he going to learn.....where to go on holiday?
He isn't benching Ten Hag's darling. Between Bruno and Antony, he will get about as much playtime as Pellistri does. Should be loaned again, in my opinion. Would be great if Sunderland win a promotion and he plays in the Premier League.
He will pick whichever player is playing better regardless of price tag or not
Its his first season plus he only got to Carrington on the 2nd of Sept. So basically he missed out on all of the summer of preseason incl that in Ajax (when he went on strike.)
Is Amad the better player? They play in different league quality and also I see them as different sorts of players.
Yes, it may bring some competition to Antony -- be Antony already as Pellestri, Elanga and Sancho and yet...
Sancho is more skilled than Antony and yet.... Why doesn't Pellestri get more minutes if Antony is so underwhelming? There is a natural bias for ETH to want to play Antony.
Plus Amad is early in his development cycle. Even if he did bring some competition next season to the squad, it would be to the detriment of his personal development. It will kill his confidence too if he was sitting on the bench instead of starting 30-40 times a season elsewhere. He needs to play more so that teh game will slow down for him. He's definitely not there yet.
Most managers will pick the players they bought or certainly give them a much longer rope than that of a former manager. Its natural.
Otherwise, how do you explain Pellestri's minute munites that he's getting this season?
I just hope the lad gets a fair opportunity at united next season and not just brought on for the last ten minutes of a league cup game against a beatable team.
The difference being that Sunderland were in the Prem at the time. In an ideal world I reckon we leave him there for another year and let him play every week in the Prem. I don’t think we will though.
Definitely think him and Pellistri could ship Antony off in the next couple years. Maybe Antony would be better down the middle, I was quite impressed with his turn and shot against the post the other day. Very good close control.