So why wouldn't I find it funny then, when you have zero evidence to back your thoughts up?
One player isn't getting minutes in a lesser league, whereas the other is putting in decent performances in the Premiership.
Amad Diallo | Rangers loan watch
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One player isn't getting minutes in a lesser league, whereas the other is putting in decent performances in the Premiership.
I didn't contest that. I merely stated that a player starting for United right now does not really equate to him being better than X. Elanga is in a United team currently 7th in the league. That just shows our state.
But he shouldn't really be starting for United. It's just a sad state of affairs. The contrast in both players current situations just presents a false illusion in comparison to what level they are at as footballers.
Seems a bit harsh to use Amad as a stick to beat Elanaga with, whilst one is not getting a kick in an average league probably for good reason, and the other is getting more game time than established international players for us right now.
Once again with us, it seems not playing actually makes you look a better player.
Once again with us, it seems not playing actually makes you look a better player.
Far from convinced about this to be honest. Not the right thread for it, but I think he's got a long way to go before he's considered Utd quality. Unless of course the standards are very different now.
They're both good players. Elanga has been nothing but positive since his introduction to the first team
Surely someone playing week in week out for a 7th place team in the highest quality league shows more application than someone on the bench getting minimal/zero minutes for a team in the 9th best league?
Just a thought?
Elanga has been a breath of fresh air for United this season.
Fearless, technical, hard working.
He's a brilliant player and yes the standards are different now, we are a long way off the top so they have to be, but that doesn't distract from Elanga being a quality player.
Amad may get there yet, we may have to be patient with him, but he's not at that level yet.
Not really. That just shows we have some really good quality players which cover for the relatively poorer quality of the rest of the team. Think of it this way, do you see Elanga even being on the bench for someone like Spurs, let alone starting? The guy is bang average and a couple of goals doesn't really change that.
I don't deny he's been a breath of fresh air, one of the few positives. But I think his obvious effort looks so much bigger due to how little effort so many others of our team seemingly put in. His attitude should be the standard.
Amad is a mystery to the majority of this forum, anyone claiming much about him are just trying to look like experts. His future is very much unknown.
fecking hell. Amad's ability has absolutely feck all relation to Elanga's ability. Talk about Elanga in his thread and leave Amad to this one.
Yeah, I see Elanga in the first team for Spurs easy. Elanga is quality.
But this is Amads thread so we digress.
How so?
He can't get a game at United, can't get a game at Rangers, I'd say from what I have seen of him he is no where near first team quality.
He may be in the future, but he has a long long way to go and a lot of hard work ahead.
Our fan base has a strange obsession with shitting on our own players to try and make the one they like more look better. Happens all the time.
Amad would probably have notched up more minutes for Utd had he stayed than he's managed for Rangers.
January didn't pan out with what unfolded with Greenwood and Cavani constantly being injured or not interested.
Looks like we paid way too much for Amad. Felt like it at the time and don't see anything to suggest otherwise.
The Pellistri money, was around what we should be gambling for young, promising, attacking players. Amad was a gamble.
January didn't pan out with what unfolded with Greenwood and Cavani constantly being injured or not interested.
Looks like we paid way too much for Amad. Felt like it at the time and don't see anything to suggest otherwise.
The Pellistri money, was around what we should be gambling for young, promising, attacking players. Amad was a gamble.
That's my exact point. We've barely seen him play. The loan move has failed miserably.
Right on. We currently have the greatest goal scorer ever but are failing to keep him fed because we can't maintain any form of pressure for sustained period. It seems rather counterproductive to drop another £100m without solving the basic issues that make up a team.
Our fullbacks and deep midfielders need upgrading, Luke Shaw is the only one amongst the lot with the minimum required technical skill required in a team but his head seems gone. AWB, Scot and Fred are woefully short. Those three are the key upgrades we need to look at before thinking about £100m signings.
I think, given our scouting issues, we dont have the capacity to solve our problem areas on the cheap unless if we swallow our pride and hand Ralf thr keys to the castle. A new LB, DM, CM and RB of sufficient quality will cost us, if we stick with our recruitment team, at least £180m and that's before we consider the striker and RW.
This is where the new manager has to earn his money as we have a number of youngsters that if backed could prove useful. James Garner more than held his own against Liverpool at Anfield, would it be disastrous if we started with him as Fred's alternate for the 8 role? Amad, Pellistiri and Elanga in addition to Rashford should be able to forge enough appearances to cover the RW, I don't about Laird in a back four but not long ago we were making CL finals with Rafael and Fabinho at RB.
Next season's brief is get back into the top four whilst building up a modern style of play, I don't think this is too huge a task that stops us from bedding in our youngsters. When you witness some of the dross served up by our £50m - £80m players on big wages you begin to wonder whether the likes of Garner wouldn't do better.
I haven’t seen a lot of the other two. But if this is true, then we should get rid of them ASAP.
Regarding question 2, the problem is that the player who has broken into the United team shouldn’t be there, or anywhere near it.
To get this thread marginally back on track. Amad got another 90 minutes quality watching experience from the Rangers bench today. Clearly Gio does not trust him which fits with the comments following the initial game against Celtic that he does not seem interested in his defensive responsibilities and did not take instructions well.
Elanga is in a different league physically, Amad is superior technically. Amad seriously needs to put on some size to have a career with us or even in England/Scotland, he’s tiny.
This is so far away from the truth it actually hurts
So you have to ask yourself WHY the loan has failed, especially when he started well?
Is it because he simply isn't good enough right now to hit the level required?
Would certainly seem that way right now.
Or a case of a manager not being interested in developing a player for another club.
You think GVB brought Amad onboard to develop or help out Rangers title quest??
Of course, he thought he would slot in right away.
The reality is Amad needed time to get used to the team and get his match rhythm up after barely playing for months and that wasn't worth it for GVB.
This is so far away from the truth it actually hurts
In your opinion. Which is fine.
I’m slightly more ambitious and would prefer to see United challenging for cups, rather than giving minutes to players of Elanga’s quality.
Maybe a couple of years on loan and he could improve, but he doesn’t even seem to have the instincts or raw talent required to play for a top team.
Will see next season if we get a competent manager with some backing. Don't see Elanga being in the first team next season. If he still is, then it means we have fecked up another transfer window and a whole season.
As you say we'll see.
There's a greater chance of Elanga being first team material then Amad right now.
So Instead we'll give minutes to Amad, a player who can't get minutes at Rangers?
Or rather GVB played him for the first few games, then gave him a chance against Celtic and realised he wasn't quite up to it, and so didn't trust him after that.
Neither of them are anywhere near United standard currently. Both need good loans.
Elanga appears to be part of the first team and bar the odd game, playing well, so I'd wager what your saying is incorrect.
The only thing Elanga has over Pellistri and Amad is his physicality. He is a strong, quick and can hold his own in the Premier League.
Pellistri and Amad might be too slight in comparison but both have way more ability. Amad also has an effective centre of gravity. The challenge here is fair though...if he isn't getting game time at Rangers then maybe he isn't ready yet.
There is another side to this though. Rangers don't have a long term interest in Amad so little benefit to prioritise him and also Amad is more likely to be selish and try to do too much as keen to impress his parent club. Amad is a natural flair player so this is more likely to be an issue than most other positions.
Ronaldo went from show pony to phenomenal in a small period of time and whilst Amad is unlikely to develop that physique there is definitely some real talent there.
The problem is Elanga is part of a trash first team so hardly a high bar!
Amad's and Pellistri's expectation have fallen of a cliff in my view. They can't even get minutes, never mind start in shit teams.
What a waste of money.
What a waste of money.
Elanga is a substandard footballer playing regularly at United. At least then he's in good company.
I have never doubted Amads ability.
He isn't ready yet, and is a long way off. That cannot be disputed.
He may be a great signing, but anyone trying to claim he is better than Elanga right now is quite frankly talking crap.
How about playing for his country? Is that substandard??
The summer of signing those two plus van de Beek for £60m+ whilst neglecting CM was a travesty and sent us backwards.
Really.
This all we got.
If Amad cannot even get into the match day 11 at Rangers yet alone United then that says a lot more surely?