All Time Premier League Fantasy Draft

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Duff's a very solid pick. He was excellent for Blackburn and Chelsea. Was impressed with his change of pace and close control when I seen him in the flesh.
 
berbasloth4 said:
I always thought he was a likeable player never got play acting and that crap out of him..
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i dont have any specific reason behind it, one of those players you hate from the minute you see them...
 
I always liked Duff, though I was convinced he played for Liverpool before he went to Chelsea. I remember there being big rumours Liverpool would sign him at the time, so I think I just assumed he had a year or two there.

Chris Waddle is an interesting pick. Great player but, like Robbo, his best years came before the Premier League. I can't remember much of his Sheffield Wednesday days though so maybe he was still good then.
 
i have 3-4 CB on my shortlist and i cant decide who to pick.....good thing that my AM is going to bed now :nervous:
 
Šjor Bepo said:
i have 3-4 CB on my shortlist and i cant decide who to pick.....good thing that my AM is going to bed now :nervous:
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I know what you mean. I have two in particular that I really want. Can't decide which to pick first and which is worth the risk of waiting for!
 
bleezy said:
I always liked Duff, though I was convinced he played for Liverpool before he went to Chelsea. I remember there being big rumours Liverpool would sign him at the time, so I think I just assumed he had a year or two there.

Chris Waddle is an interesting pick. Great player but, like Robbo, his best years came before the Premier League. I can't remember much of his Sheffield Wednesday days though so maybe he was still good then.
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Sheffield Wednesday played some great football in the early Prem years and that largely revolved around Waddle. They made two Cup Finals in a row, which is as much as you can ask for from, errrm, Sheffield Wednesday.

But I get your point, feckin' Eric Cantona has decided he wants to move abroad at the end of the season and the best options out there are Waddle and Beardsley, who are going to turn to shit before I am remotely competitive in Europe.

Actually, one massive curveball @Skizzo missed: foreign player restrictions, and the two subs + keeper. What the feck is on with that? I'm basically running a 14-player squad and signed **** ******** because he can play D/M/A C, which makes him a perfect bench option. He is shite though.
 
Updating so it's on this page:
  1. Marty1968 - 1. Shearer 2. Terry 3. Yaya Toure 4. Bruce 5. Kanchelskis
  2. Skizzo - 1. Ronaldo 2. Campbell 3. Desailly 4. Gallas 5. Gilberto Silva
  3. Cal? - 1. Henry 2. Torres 3. Hazard 4. Schneiderlin 5. Bryan Robson
  4. MJJ/Crappy - 1. Keane 2. Overmars 3. Ginola 4. Ince 5. Stuart Pearce
  5. Cutch - 1. Giggs 2. Essien 3. McManaman 4. G Neville 5. Barry
  6. The Stain - 1. Scholes 2. Lampard 3. Drogba 4. Ljungberg 5. A. Young
  7. berbasloth4 - 1. Vieira 2. Stam 3. RVN 4. King 5. Duff
  8. Kazi - 1. Suarez 2. McGrath 3. Vidic 4. Klinsmann 5. Waddle
  9. Tuppet - 1. Ferdinand 2. Cole 3. Xabi Alonso 4. Petit
  10. coolredwine - 1. Cantona 2. Irwin 3. Adams 4. Hyypia
  11. diarm - 1. Bale 2. Beckham 3. Van Persie 4. Pallister
  12. Gio - 1. Gerrard 2. Makelele 3. Robben 4. Kompany
  13. VivaJanuzaj - 1. Bergkamp 2. Modric 3. Evra 4. Ivanović
  14. Stobzilla - 1. Rooney 2. Pires 3. Carvalho 4. Beardsley
  15. bleezy - 1. Fabregas 2. Agüero 3. Sanchez 4. Mascherano
  16. Šjor Bepo - 1. Zola 2. Carrick 3. David Silva 4. Zabaleta
 
bleezy said:
Chris Waddle is an interesting pick. Great player but, like Robbo, his best years came before the Premier League. I can't remember much of his Sheffield Wednesday days though so maybe he was still good then.
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He was brilliant for Wednesday in his first couple of seasons there. Even won POTY in '92-'93.

Bit like Beardo in this context: Yes, their absolute prime is clearly before the PL era, but both were surprisingly good at a fairly late career stage.
 
bleezy said:
I always liked Duff, though I was convinced he played for Liverpool before he went to Chelsea. I remember there being big rumours Liverpool would sign him at the time, so I think I just assumed he had a year or two there.

Chris Waddle is an interesting pick. Great player but, like Robbo, his best years came before the Premier League. I can't remember much of his Sheffield Wednesday days though so maybe he was still good then.
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Waddle's a good pick. As much as his prime was at Marseille, where he was just :drool:, he still did enough at Sheffield Wednesday to easily justify a spot here.
 
Šjor Bepo said:
always hated Duff for some reason....dont kill me you irish bastards
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:mad: Careful now...

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To add some nuance to the praise Duff is getting. Why Ashley Young is a better pick than Damien Duff in my mind (stats wise anyway, haven't looked at important goals/assists/performances etc):

Stats taken from statbunker.com. I have rounded off the numbers and i have only taken started matches into consideration.

Damien Duff:

54 goals - 50 assists - 327 starts in 16 seasons (All clubs, not that it matters really):

0,165 goals/start - 0,15 assists/start

Blackburn (best 4 seasons) - 92 starts:

21 goals - 8 assists

0,23 goals/start - 0,09 assists/start

Chelsea - 63 starts:

14 goals - 18 assists

0,22 goals/start - 0,285 assists/start

Ashley Young

Young 42 goals - 58 assists - 247 starts in 9 seasons (All clubs, not that it matters really):

0,17 goals/start - 0,235 assists/start

Villa (best 4 seasons) - 144 starts:

27 goals - 37 assists

0,17 goals/start - 0,26 assists/start

Ashley Young played almost every game for Villa while Duff was either injured (more likely) or rotated and missed a lot of matches. Young played in an inferior team to Duff (at Blackburn it is more similar i would think). Duff was arguably better for Chelsea than for Blackburn. Young included in Team of the Year 3 times for Villa, Duff no inclusions.
 
Ashley Young was great for Villa and I loved watching him play there, particularly his last season where he was played centrally. They can't be compared in this manner though, Ashley Young is someone who needs a lot of balls and who usually is very hit and miss. He's a risk taker and you have to let him be one to get the best out of him.

He's the type to provide loads of crosses and shots in a game, which means he'll be likely to get an assist or even score a goal. But at the same time the negative of that is that if you have other star players, they'll see less of the ball as many attacks ends with an early risk cross from Young.

Not a bad pick by any means, but I wouldn't want to compare him to Duff who I think is a lot easier to see in a fantasy draft team. If you were asking me to pick which one of the two who would do best if they were the stars of a lower quality club then I'd say Young by a mile.
 
I never onced suggested duff is a better choice than anyone.. but when my team is finished you will see duff is a better suit than most..
 
have to say i never rated Young, even for Villa he looked pretty average to me so i would definitely pick Duff over him even though i dont rate Duff to highly....guess not my cup of tea, neither of them :nervous:
 
Annahnomoss said:
Not a bad pick by any means, but I wouldn't want to compare him to Duff who I think is a lot easier to see in a fantasy draft team. If you were asking me to pick which one of the two who would do best if they were the stars of a lower quality club then I'd say Young by a mile.
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Yeah, more or less this.

I think Duff would do very well in a lower quality setting too, mind - but the big difference is that he is clearly more suited to play a supporting role in a higher quality setting (which is a more useful trait in this context).

I can see Duff featuring in something close to a final worthy XI here, provided the team is ideally composed and he's used in the right role. Young, however, is not a final worthy player in an all time PL draft: The Villa version (who is the only plausible one here) is the main man, as you rightly suggest, the one who sees the most of the ball, etc. And in that role he is a) always blowing hot and cold and b) simply not good enough compared to the best in the pool.
 
Annahnomoss said:
Ashley Young was great for Villa and I loved watching him play there, particularly his last season where he was played centrally. They can't be compared in this manner though, Ashley Young is someone who needs a lot of balls and who usually is very hit and miss. He's a risk taker and you have to let him be one to get the best out of him.

He's the type to provide loads of crosses and shots in a game, which means he'll be likely to get an assist or even score a goal. But at the same time the negative of that is that if you have other star players, they'll see less of the ball as many attacks ends with an early risk cross from Young.

Not a bad pick by any means, but I wouldn't want to compare him to Duff who I think is a lot easier to see in a fantasy draft team. If you were asking me to pick which one of the two who would do best if they were the stars of a lower quality club then I'd say Young by a mile.
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Not sure i agree with you here. He wasn't exactly hit and miss for Villa, though (You said he was great for them i know but also hit and miss)? 3 out of 5 seasons in the TotY (first season he joined them in January). I needed a different kind of winger than Ljungberg for balance. Ljungberg was more of a technical goalscoring winger who got fouled a lot. With Young i get someone who can deliver excellent crosses to Drogba/Lampard (we'll get plenty of long-range freekicks to). He won't be the main man in my team but that won't stop him from doing a job defensively and delivering nice crosses.

And @berbasloth4 , i didn't direct any of that towards you.
 
The Stain said:
Not sure i agree with you here. He wasn't exactly hit and miss for Villa, though (You said he was great for them i know but also hit and miss)? 3 out of 5 seasons in the TotY (first season he joined them in January). I needed a different kind of winger than Ljungberg for balance. Ljungberg was more of a technical goalscoring winger who got fouled a lot. With Young i get someone who can deliver excellent crosses to Drogba/Lampard (we'll get plenty of long-range freekicks to). He won't be the main man in my team but that won't stop him from doing a job defensively and delivering nice crosses.

And @berbasloth4 , i didn't direct any of that towards you.
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He was there undoubted star and he did great in that role. I think he'll be very good in your team as you don't have any player who would benefit from not having Young there. Drogba isn't someone who creates moments of magic from having the ball at his feet and neither is Ljungberg.

But for the reinforcement rounds there will certainly be a need to pick a player who is a level above, and then you will likely run in to problems if Young stays in the team. Young is hit and miss because he likes to have a lot of balls and when he gets the ball he is bound to go for a cross or a shot whether that is the greatest option or not.

Duff I think could be played in a semi-final in the right team without any issues from having brought in a star winger or forward.
 
  1. Marty1968 - 1. Shearer 2. Terry 3. Yaya Toure 4. Bruce 5. Kanchelskis
  2. Skizzo - 1. Ronaldo 2. Campbell 3. Desailly 4. Gallas 5. Gilberto Silva
  3. Cal? - 1. Henry 2. Torres 3. Hazard 4. Schneiderlin 5. Bryan Robson
  4. MJJ/Crappy - 1. Keane 2. Overmars 3. Ginola 4. Ince 5. Stuart Pearce
  5. Cutch - 1. Giggs 2. Essien 3. McManaman 4. G Neville 5. Barry
  6. The Stain - 1. Scholes 2. Lampard 3. Drogba 4. Ljungberg 5. A. Young
  7. berbasloth4 - 1. Vieira 2. Stam 3. RVN 4. King 5. Duff
  8. Kazi - 1. Suarez 2. McGrath 3. Vidic 4. Klinsmann 5. Waddle
  9. Tuppet - 1. Ferdinand 2. Cole 3. Xabi Alonso 4. Petit 5. Mata
  10. coolredwine - 1. Cantona 2. Irwin 3. Adams 4. Hyypia
  11. diarm - 1. Bale 2. Beckham 3. Van Persie 4. Pallister
  12. Gio - 1. Gerrard 2. Makelele 3. Robben 4. Kompany
  13. VivaJanuzaj - 1. Bergkamp 2. Modric 3. Evra 4. Ivanović
  14. Stobzilla - 1. Rooney 2. Pires 3. Carvalho 4. Beardsley
  15. bleezy - 1. Fabregas 2. Agüero 3. Sanchez 4. Mascherano
  16. Šjor Bepo - 1. Zola 2. Carrick 3. David Silva 4. Zabaleta
@coolredwine
 
Annahnomoss said:
He was there undoubted star and he did great in that role. I think he'll be very good in your team as you don't have any player who would benefit from not having Young there. Drogba isn't someone who creates moments of magic from having the ball at his feet and neither is Ljungberg.

But for the reinforcement rounds there will certainly be a need to pick a player who is a level above, and then you will likely run in to problems if Young stays in the team. Young is hit and miss because he likes to have a lot of balls and when he gets the ball he is bound to go for a cross or a shot whether that is the greatest option or not.

Duff I think could be played in a semi-final in the right team without any issues from having brought in a star winger or forward.
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That's fair.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Desailly and Alonso in pick 3? :eek:
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Both picks are surreal considering the rules. Desailly played as a defensive midfielder as well for Chelsea, so that option will then be available and he was great doing so too. Part of the team of the decade for the first 10 years of EPL. Alonso being a Liverpool player is also very surprising as I think he could play in a final here.

It is being an interesting draft to say the least.
 
Annahnomoss said:
Both picks are surreal considering the rules. Desailly played as a defensive midfielder as well for Chelsea, so that option will then be available and he was great doing so too. Part of the team of the decade for the first 10 years of EPL. Alonso being a Liverpool player is also very surprising as I think he could play in a final here.

It is being an interesting draft to say the least.
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Desailly was a centre half at chelsea.. may have played a few filling in but was it..
 
berbasloth4 said:
Desailly was a centre half at chelsea.. may have played a few filling in but was it..
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Common misconception. In most line-ups, even in games, the coach named their setup a 4-4-2 as he didn't seem to take it seriously. Then you look at the game and you find out that they played with 3 centre backs and two wing backs and that Desailly was part of the midfield very often.

They do look like a mix between 4-4-2 and 5-3-2 but it is easy to see that Desailly wasn't playing at the heart of the defense but rather in the midfield. So definitely a valid pick for both the defensive midfield or the centre back role.

 
Anyone above me in the list who I can leave my next pick with as I'll be away for a few hours?
 
OK my pick is with Skizzo. Thanks gs for offering as well.
 
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