Eh? His average only went past the 30 mark on the 14 February 2016. He was below 30 prior to that. The stats you've been reading are wrong.
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Like I said, he hasn't been below 30 since 2010.
Think you will realise that both of you are right in this case.
That's fair enough.
Just to provide some context to why Ian Bell is often criticised by England fans is because plenty of talented players of the past were binned at the first sign of failure while Bell - the golden boy, earmarked as a future England captain as a youngster was given chance after chance while making the same errors time and again. Other than the 2013 Ashes, his high points have come when others around him are producing, the team is in good state, the opposition are down and out (Strauss era) while as a senior player, it was puzzling how often the younger players were showing more resistance than him.
As for his average being helped by an opener, let me rephrase it: he had a good run as an opener averaging about 43 which took his overall average up. The idea was if he gets to play the mandatory power-play overs, he could get off to a flier without being an aggressive opener. New ball, he's a very touch player who can find the gaps without bashing. Whereas when he came in down the order, and he has to bat according to a match situation he throws his wicket away. It's been suggested that shots that go for four in a test go straight to the fielder in ODIs and he hasn't got the array of shots like KP to counter, plus he is a heavily off side batsman.
Mark Waugh is the same style of batsman but a much better batsman as he's shown when required he can play gritty, he added more shots to his locker to shine in the sub-continent, he can belt the ball and is a match winner. Though I accept that Ian Bell is not expected to be a match winner in your team and more someone who compliments the others, and keeps the scoreboard ticking over. Fortunately your openers are legendary so I guess he should be coming in with a strong score on the board already as usual. Typical
Dude! There are better Pakistani pacer available.
I'm sleepy. Plus he was excellent pre-injury.
Yeah I get what he is trying to say.
Stats are not everything. IMO, some of the classical bowlers form 70s and early 80s lack the requisite bowling variations needed in ODI cricket since 90s. Other than flat batsmen friendly pitches, Steyn has not been as compelling bowler in limited over cricket for similar reason. Similarly on the flip side, most of the new age batsmen have ridiculously inflated stats due to the nature of pitches and quality of bowlers now days. I think the period from early 90s to about 2003/5 was the period when ODI cricket was at its peak. Perfect balance between the bat and the ball resulting in high quality competitive matches.
How do you rate Gul? In context here and not anything he did for Pakistan that maybe ticked you off.
I remember always being a bit worried about him when we played him.
Until 2014 he was a hot and cold bowler. Good on his day but quite wayward otherwise. Nowadays he has good control and bowls with serious pace.
We're quite lucky his career started before 2010 in that case.
Like I said, he hasn't been below 30 since 2010.
Also - his average (which is an accumulation of his performances) only went past the 30 mark last week. When you first wrote what you did, I thought you meant his career average had not been below 30 since 2010 (which is wrong). What you meant to say was, "his average for calendar years since 2010 hasn't been below 30".
We'll be using his stats from 06 to 10 then
Gavaskar shouldn't have been picked imo. Him and McCullum are more chalk and cheese than peanut butter and jelly. And Richardon at 6, Botham at 7 and Afridi at 8 is a disaster waiting to strike. You are better off playing Sir Richie higher up (he has a very slow SR if am not mistaken) and Afridi ahead of Botham. That said, Botham and Afridi despite being big hitters, aren't really going to guarantee you a win.
Your opening bowlers are excellent though, but since you picked Afridi as a premier bowler, means he will go for runs.
Junaid Khan is a curious case. He took Gayle for two successive golden ducks last week but in general he seems to be lacking confidence. I'm afraid injuries might have got the better of him which is a shame because on top form there are very few bowlers of his calibre.
Is Nathan Lyon considered a Test only specialist ?
Gavaskar seems like a huge gamble but it really isn't. Like Aldo mentioned, strike rates are context-specific; a strike rate of 62 in that era isn't really that bad. He's India's second greatest batsman and it's scandalous that shite like Jadeja and Raina were picked ahead of him. Same with someone like Gooch - the man's got 60,000 plus runs in the game yet Trott gets picked ahead of him. Imagine if these players were around now on these decks - they'd be unstoppable IMO.
Win or lose, here I go...
01 - Geoff Marsh Aus
02 - Rahul Dravid Ind
03 - Dean Jones Aus
04 - Viv Richards WI
05 - Grant Flower Zim
06 - Ajay Jadeja Ind
07 - Chris Harris NZ
08 - Richard Hadlee NZ
09 - Malcolm Marshall WI
10 - Graeme Swann Eng
11 - Aaqib Javed Pak
01 - Geoff Marsh Aus
02 - Rahul Dravid Ind
03 - Dean Jones Aus
04 - Viv Richards WI
05 - Grant Flower Zim
06 - Ajay Jadeja Ind
07 - Chris Harris NZ
08 - Richard Hadlee NZ
09 - Malcolm Marshall WI
10 - Graeme Swann Eng
11 - Aaqib Javed Pak
Thank you and we are counting these players on peak. I've not seen many bowlers making Kohli his bunny in ODI's
Sorry, but that's nonsense. Gavaskar would never fit into today's ODI teams. He just isn't that type of player. Legend for India, but this is ott mis-selling.
Gavaskar was never an ODI player. Even if see ODI records of that era, his record is average. Would advise you to get an opener as 12th player tbh. Bowling looks solid.
If Gavaskar played now he'd be booed out of the stadium for being shit. The man is a legend no doubt and possible the best opener ever but ODI player he wasn't.
Agreed with Raina being shite though
And I think you are mistaking Sunny's test record with his ODI record.
and tbf, even in modern era, I doubt Sunny would better a SR of 72. There were better openers available in my opinion. Your team just looks a little too slow to me. Apart from Clarke and Baz obviously, there isn't really a whole of strike rotation. You could consider playing Gooch as an opener and Baz lower down to give your team some much needed bite (Although Baz's performance may suffer a little).
Really? Would never have guessed.
He already has Gooch who can open.
1. Gayle - WI
2. Jayasuriya - SL
3. Trott- ENG
4. Inzamam - PAK
5. DJ Bravo - WI
6. Rhodes - SA
7. Marsh - AUS
8. ----
9. McDermott - AUS
10. Southee - NZ
11. Murali - SL
Follow up thoughts? Besides my spin obsession, feel it's a bit better balanced than my last effort
2. Jayasuriya - SL
3. Trott- ENG
4. Inzamam - PAK
5. DJ Bravo - WI
6. Rhodes - SA
7. Marsh - AUS
8. ----
9. McDermott - AUS
10. Southee - NZ
11. Murali - SL
Follow up thoughts? Besides my spin obsession, feel it's a bit better balanced than my last effort
No way is he shit. One of the most consistent lower order batsmen. He has played well pretty much anywhere. Excellent runner between the wickets, has a massive array of shots both conventional and non conventional. He's just not a hard hitter like some others who use sheer brute force.
Gooch and Gavaskar to open? Is VP planning to bore the opposition to death?
How do you rate Gul? In context here and not anything he did for Pakistan that maybe ticked you off.
I remember always being a bit worried about him when we played him.
Strictly speaking in terms of peak, I would say he is one of the better Pakistani bowlers of the modern era. As a depth bowler I don't think there are many better in the draft but his peak is a lot shorter than others.
Would rank them as shoaib/asif-amir and then gul but you get the advantage of guldozer while batting
Also gul is <3.
he cant surely play the other pacer in the same team as watson?
i find him overrated other than that one spell.He single-handedly won that series. Such a weird series that was, Indian batsmen collapsing in trademark Pakistan style in all three games.
What's your opinion on Maxwell then?
Both are similar players. However Raina has a better ODI record than Maxwell. If Raina is trash then I shudder to think your opinion about Maxwell.
No way is he shit. One of the most consistent lower order batsmen. He has played well pretty much anywhere. Excellent runner between the wickets, has a massive array of shots both conventional and non conventional. He's just not a hard hitter like some others who use sheer brute force.
Not really, no. He'll wet himself at the first sight of someone bowling higher than his thighs
Was waiting for you to bring that up. A little overstated and a hyperbole tbh.
Maxwell started his career rather poorly and looked a bit shit. Averages more than 40 in the last 12 months however and become hell of a lot more consistent and more selective in his shot making. He's starting to become a proper batsmen these days while still scoring at a ridiculous strike rate (120+ is mind boggling). And unlike Raina he doesn't have glaring weaknesses. His average will keep climbing at the rate he's improving.