All time ODI Draft

KM said:
What's your opinion on Maxwell then?

Both are similar players. However Raina has a better ODI record than Maxwell. If Raina is trash then I shudder to think your opinion about Maxwell.
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Raina's average away from home is considerably poorer, the only team I have seen raina consistently play well,outside of india, against is us.

Maxwell is like a better afridi, is a better hitter of the ball than raina which explains the poorer average (compared to other batsman of this era).
 
Akash said:
Maxwell started his career rather poorly and looked a bit shit. Averages more than 40 in the last 12 months however and become hell of a lot more consistent and more selective in his shot making. He's starting to become a proper batsmen these days while still scoring at a ridiculous strike rate (120+ is mind boggling). And unlike Raina he doesn't have glaring weaknesses. His average will keep climbing at the rate he's improving.
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Please check his recent scores against NZ ODI series. It was 0,0 and 6 if I'm not wrong.
 
MJJ said:
Raina's average away from home is considerably poorer, the only team I have seen raina consistently play well,outside of india, against is us.

Maxwell is like a better afridi, is a better hitter of the ball than raina which explains the poorer average (compared to other batsman of this era).
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Steve Smith's average away from Australia is less than 20 in ODI's. Check it up.

Maxwell has no glaring weakness, Jesus Christ that's absolute bullshit. He's a great hitter but is essentially a slogger. He's average against swing and ridiculously bad against leg spin. Raina has been a match winner for India in ODI's and played a crucial role in 2011 QF and SF.
 
Ijazz17 said:
Was waiting for you to bring that up. A little overstated and a hyperbole tbh.
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is it though? 3 fifties in SA and Australia combined where you find the bounciest pitches while averaging in the mid 20's.
 
Akash said:
is it though? 3 fifties in SA and Australia combined where you find the bounciest pitches while averaging in the mid 20's.
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Steve Smith's average away from Australia is 19 in ODI. He's trash than too, i reckon?
 
KM said:
Steve Smith's average away from Australia is less than 20 in ODI's. Check it up.

Maxwell has no glaring weakness, Jesus Christ that's absolute bullshit. He's a great hitter but is essentially a slogger. He's average against swing and ridiculously bad against leg spin. Raina has been a match winner for India in ODI's and played a crucial role in 2011 QF and SF.
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Damn that's a shocker :lol:
 
KM said:
Steve Smith's average away from Australia is less than 20 in ODI's. Check it up.

Maxwell has no glaring weakness, Jesus Christ that's absolute bullshit. He's a great hitter but is essentially a slogger. He's average against swing and ridiculously bad against leg spin. Raina has been a match winner for India in ODI's and played a crucial role in 2011 QF and SF.
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Yeah but australia's pitches arent tailor made to batsman like india's are. And how many matches has he played outside of australia in the past year or so?

again, in India. and the semi-final was against us, like I said the only team he consistently delivers against is us.
 
KM said:
Please check his recent scores against NZ ODI series. It was 0,0 and 6 if I'm not wrong.
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Dunno. But he does average 40+ in the last 12 months (Which is basically 1/3rd of his career)
 
MJJ said:
Yeah but australia's pitches arent tailor made to batsman like india's are. And how many matches has he played outside of australia in the past year or so?

again, in India. and the semi-final was against us, like I said the only team he consistently delivers against is us.
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C'mon mate. You're kidding me? Australia have more flatter pitches than anywhere in the world these days.
 
KM said:
C'mon mate. You're kidding me? Australia have more flatter pitches than anywhere in the world these days.
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They killed WACA ffs. Perth is now flatter than majority of the Indian tracks now. Shame!
 
KM said:
C'mon mate. You're kidding me? Australia have more flatter pitches than anywhere in the world these days.
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I wouldnt say thats true for ODIs, the recent test series was a joke yes. Even the flatter pitches have good bounce on them, something which isnt the case for flat pitches in India/Pak which offer next to nothing for all bowlers.
 
Akash said:
is it though? 3 fifties in SA and Australia combined where you find the bounciest pitches while averaging in the mid 20's.
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He's improved massively dealing with bouncers. He may not be as comfortable as a Kohli in dealing with them, but he has comfortably hit bouncers for sixes. That's the problem with modern day cricket. If someone finds one chink in the armoury, it sticks with them for life. Watson with his LBWs, Kohli and his outside off stump line. All of it is just exaggeration tbh.
 
MJJ said:
Yeah but australia's pitches arent tailor made to batsman like india's are.
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It's not just about how batsmen-friendly the pitch is, but also about whether the player can adapt to different conditions. A batsman with a shocking away record is a liability whenever the match happens to be in conditions different to his home country.
 
Akshay said:
It's not just about how batsmen-friendly the pitch is, but also about whether the player can adapt to different conditions. A batsman with a shocking away record is a liability whenever the match happens to be in conditions different to his home country.
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Which is why I think raina would be more adept than most at adapting to those conditions.
 
MJJ said:
Yeah but australia's pitches arent tailor made to batsman like india's are. And how many matches has he played outside of australia in the past year or so?

again, in India. and the semi-final was against us, like I said the only team he consistently delivers against is us.
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he played a world cup in 2015 where he scored 2 50s and a 100. Plus there are lots of crucial knocks he has played outside india too. the match in which india scored 320 from 35 overs saw raina make a quickfire 40 to help the match to be dusted.
 
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MJJ said:
I wouldnt say thats true for ODIs, the recent test series was a joke yes. Even the flatter pitches have good bounce on them, something which isnt the case for flat pitches in India/Pak which offer next to nothing for all bowlers.
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The recent Indian limited ODIs were a joke too and so were the world cup matches for that matter!
 
Ijazz17 said:
He's improved massively dealing with bouncers. He may not be as comfortable as a Kohli in dealing with them, but he has comfortably hit bouncers for sixes. That's the problem with modern day cricket. If someone finds one chink in the armoury, it sticks with them for life. Watson with his LBWs, Kohli and his outside off stump line. All of it is just exaggeration tbh.
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How is it exaggeration if it's true and backed up by stats? It's not like sample size (like with Smith) is small with him or that he might improve in the future. He's basically not improved on that part of his game since he's debuted which was about a decade ago.
 
KM said:
The recent Indian limited ODIs were a joke too and so were the world cup matches for that matter!
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Yeah the worldcup was pretty bad, I missed the recent indian series so thats probably why I have the wrong impression of the australian pitches. Thought the world-cup and test series were a one off.

Akshay said:
It's not just about how batsmen-friendly the pitch is, but also about whether the player can adapt to different conditions. A batsman with a shocking away record is a liability whenever the match happens to be in conditions different to his home country.
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Yeah definitely agree with that, although in smith's defense I think the sample size is very small and most of his matches away from home are before this year.
 
Akash said:
How is it exaggeration if it's true and backed up by stats? It's not like sample size (like with Smith) is small with him or that he might improve in the future. He's basically not improved on that part of his game since he's debuted which was about a decade ago.
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That's my point. He has improved with the short ball. He wasn't as fidgety as he once was. Do a simple google search and you will know what I am talking about. Such information can't be explained with a sample size, or a fancy statistical showing. He's improved that end of his game. It's just such a shame that even after 10 years, people only talk about that. Nobody remembers his match winning contributions, how he is the big man for the big ocassions, how brilliant he is at playing with tail-enders and grabbing those extra 20-30 vital runs. But nope, all we love to do is find a weakness in a player and call him Shite.

By your literal definition, I'm guessing every player on the draft is shite.
 
RedTiger said:
Are we going with randomly chosen grounds like the test draft?
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The eight stadiums are:

Toronto, Canada
Sharjah, UAE
Harare, Zimbabwe
Chittagong, Bangladesh
National Cricket Stadium, Morocco
Nairobi, Kenya
Sophia Gardens, Wales
Padang Cricket Stadium, Singapore
 
RedTiger said:
Are we going with randomly chosen grounds like the test draft?
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Skills mentioned Jo'berg RT, but I can't be sure if he was serious or not. He's being very secretive about it. No doubt, he will choose only those grounds, where his players have the best record. :p
 
Samid said:
The eight stadiums are:

Toronto, Canada
Sharjah, UAE
Harare, Zimbabwe
Chittagong, Bangladesh
National Cricket Stadium, Morocco
Nairobi, Kenya
Sophia Gardens, Wales
Padang Cricket Stadium, Singapore
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Add Oslo, Norway to that list.
 
MJJ said:
Yeah definitely agree with that, although in smith's defense I think the sample size is very small and most of his matches away from home are before this year.
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I wouldn't say Smith is definitively bad away from home, but I would say he's unproven in that regard. Hard to judge him overall since he's just so recently come into his own.
 
Ijazz17 said:
Add Oslo, Norway to that list.
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Sure, remember to bring your own chairs though. VIP seats are limited.


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Ijazz17 said:
That's my point. He has improved with the short ball. He wasn't as fidgety as he once was. Do a simple google search and you will know what I am talking about. Such information can't be explained with a sample size, or a fancy statistical showing. He's improved that end of his game. It's just such a shame that even after 10 years, people only talk about that. Nobody remembers his match winning contributions, how he is the big man for the big ocassions, how brilliant he is at playing with tail-enders and grabbing those extra 20-30 vital runs. But nope, all we love to do is find a weakness in a player and call him Shite.

By your literal definition, I'm guessing every player on the draft is shite.
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Eh? I was clearly talking about his inability to play the short ball consistently not that he's shite everywhere or has never played any decent innings. The last time Australia were here Johnson worked him over brutally with the short ball.
 
Akash said:
Eh? I was clearly talking about his inability to play the short ball consistently not that he's shite everywhere or has never played any decent innings. The last time Australia were here Johnson worked him over brutally with the short ball.
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He still played better than some of the other LMOs in that team.
 
RedTiger said:
Any ethnic Norwegians play? Or Is it mostly immigrants?
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We've got 50 odd teams, there are a few ethnics but mostly immigrants. We're in the European division one (top 6 associate members in Europe) in T20s which is reasonable considering lack of resources/grounds/practise nets.

Ijazz17 said:
Beautiful, but I was looking to play some Ice Cricket! I'd like to see Inzi run on that surface :drool:
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Players like Razzaq, Mohammad Asif and another unnamed player are here every summer. Razzaq keeps complaining about the excessive bounce on that surface :lol:
 
My average side is complete

Sehwag
Rohit
Hafeez
Sangakkara
Faf
Morgan
Faulkner
Pollard
Holding
Mendis
Rackemann
 
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paulscholes18 said:
My average side is complete

Sehwag
Rohit
Sangakkara
Faf
Morgan
Hafeez
Faulkner
Pollard
Holding
Mendis
Rackemann
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You'll be grilled for playing Hafeez at 6.

Actually come to think of it you'll be grilled for playing Hafeez anywhere.
 
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