All time ODI Draft

Edgar Allan Pillow said:
I'm clueless from now. Have looked at about 50+ players and none of them fit me.

Gimme 15 more mins to make a random decision.



I'd rather stick with the criteria throughout. And tbh, it'd be very difficult to ascertain the player without even 50 games to his credit.
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Think of 2 players as it will be back to you shortly after you pick your 6th.
 
prath92 said:
except that includes Watson's stats against Bangladesh who themselves are minnows in cricket. If you remove that, Watson averages 36 against decent Test playing nations in bowling and 37 batting which is decent at best. Hitting 185* against a hapless Bangladesh team is kind of the same as shakib hitting 134* against Zim. In fact the gulf between Zim and Ban is less than the gulf between Ban and Aus.

Not to mention Shakib averages 33 as a bowler purely against test playing nations. One look at stats for the same for Kumble against the test playing nations is 33 as well with economy the same as well. And Shakib is way better than Kumble batting wise as he has a batting average of 31 against the nations. So if kumble is in a tier below the top tier (as per the comments a few pages back) then surely shakib is around the same too?
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The original question asked was that why shouldn't Shakib be considered as equal to Watson which I replied. Anybody who has watched them play will realise who's the better player between the two.


Also what's the criteria for decent test playing nations. Even if remove Bangladesh, Watson's bowling average is 33.5 which is not much different from Shakib who's considered a lead bowler for Bangladesh. Shakib's stats are further increased by the fact that he plays on the slow Bangladesh wickets which help Spinners more than usual. Take his record away from home against test playing nations and you get a record of a mediocre player. 21 batting average and 36 bowling average.

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I am gonna veto any criteria change at this point. I for one, won't be continuing with the draft if any such change is brought about at this stage. Plenty of water carriers left to recruit. You are not supposed to create World 11 at this stage of the draft.
 
crappycraperson said:
I am gonna veto any criteria change at this point. I for one, won't be continuing with the draft if any such change is brought about at this stage. Plenty of water carriers left to recruit. You are not supposed to create World 11 at this stage of the draft.
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Any criteria change was only for the 12th Round only. Don't think if the first XI will get affected.
 
Samid said:
In the sheep draft we had open criteria for one of the rounds where basically any test cricketer could be selected. There were even a couple of guys selected with less than 10 tests. This is no different. It didn't defeat the purpose then, it won't now either.
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It was done because players were getting blocked. Here there is no blocking. In sheep draft too we wanted to keep debut year criteria but that would have resulted in further blocks.
 
RedTiger said:
Forget changing the rules! Leave it as it is. The whole point of doing these drafts is to see the wide variety of picks (good, bad and mediocre).
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It's an all time draft. We're not here to see the Luke Chadwicks of cricket.
 
  1. Harshad - TMH: 1. AB De Villiers 2. Curtly Ambrose 3. Brett Lee 4. S. Waugh 5. Dilshan
  2. Aldo-Varun: 1. S Tendulkar 2. Shane Bond 3. Yuvraj Singh 4. Mark Waugh 5. Andrew Symonds
  3. Edgar Allan Pillow: 1.Viv Richards 2. R. Hadlee 3. Dean Jones 4. M.Marshall 5. Dravid 6. G Swann
  4. RedTiger - LeChuck: 1.A Gilchrist 2. Hashim Amla 3. J Miandad 4. Vaas 5. Kumble 6. Mitchell Johnson
  5. VP: 1. Wasim Akram 2. D. Lillee 3. Brendon McCullum 4. Michael Clarke 5. Boom Boom 6. Mahela
  6. Mani - Ijazz17: 1. Glenn McGrath 2. Hayden 3. Mohammed Yousuf 4. Alec Stewart 5. Kane Williamson 6.H.Cronje
  7. KM: 1. Allan Donald 2. Shane Watson 3. Saeed Ajmal 4. Aravinda De Silva 5. Joe Root 6. Angelo Matthews
  8. PaulScholes18: 1. Kumar Sangakara 2. Sehwag 3. Holding 4. Rohit Sharma 5. A Mendis 6. Eoin Morgan
  9. Boycott: 1. Waqar Younis 2. Ganguly 3. Malinga 4. Walsh 5. Gibbs 6. Ross Taylor
  10. MJJ - Akash: 1. Imran Khan 2. Lara 3.Pietersen 4. Steyn 5. Steve Smith 6. Maxwell
  11. Crappy: 1. Jacques Kallis 2. Shane Warne 3. Shoaib Akhtar 4. Saeed Anwar 5. Cairns 6. Graeme Smith
  12. The Red Viper: 1. Shaun Pollock 2. Lance Klusener 3. Michael Hussey 4. Desmond Haynes 5. Greg Chappell 6. Daniel Vettori
  13. Skizzo: 1. Murali 2. Jayasuriya 3. Gayle 4. Inzamam 5. McDermott 6. Rhodes
  14. NM -Prath: 1. MS Dhoni 2. Virat Kohli 3. Flintoff 4. Andy Roberts 5. Kirsten 6. Shakib Al Hasan
  15. Skills: 1. Ricky Ponting 2. Kapil Dev 3. Saqlain Mushtaq 4. Andy Flower 5. Azharuddin 6. Ntini
  16. Samid: 1. Joel Garner 2. Michael Bevan 3. Gordon Greenidge 4. Zaheer Abbas 5. Abdul Qadir 6. Martin Crowe

@Aldo @Varun
 
KM said:
The original question asked was that why shouldn't Shakib be considered as equal to Watson which I replied. Anybody who has watched them play will realise who's the better player between the two.


Also what's the criteria for decent test playing nations. Even if remove Bangladesh, Watson's bowling average is 33.5 which is not much different from Shakib who's considered a lead bowler for Bangladesh. Shakib's stats are further increased by the fact that he plays on the slow Bangladesh wickets which help Spinners more than usual. Take his record away from home against test playing nations and you get a record of a mediocre player. 21 batting average and 36 bowling average.

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That's not Shakib fault that the big test countries (especially India) refuse to invite the Bangers over for a series, I mean the last test Bangladesh played was last fecking August! Not only does it make Shakib's and Rahim's stats look ordinary but it is curtailing the development of some very good youngsters.
 
ffs my post first showed twice and on deleting on both got deleted!

Martin Guptill

Abdul Razzaq (can't believe he went unpicked till now in an ODI draft)
 
  1. Harshad - TMH: 1. AB De Villiers 2. Curtly Ambrose 3. Brett Lee 4. S. Waugh 5. Dilshan 6. Guptill 7. Razzaq
  2. Aldo-Varun: 1. S Tendulkar 2. Shane Bond 3. Yuvraj Singh 4. Mark Waugh 5. Andrew Symonds 6. Streak
  3. Edgar Allan Pillow: 1.Viv Richards 2. R. Hadlee 3. Dean Jones 4. M.Marshall 5. Dravid 6. G Swann
  4. RedTiger - LeChuck: 1.A Gilchrist 2. Hashim Amla 3. J Miandad 4. Vaas 5. Kumble 6. Mitchell Johnson
  5. VP: 1. Wasim Akram 2. D. Lillee 3. Brendon McCullum 4. Michael Clarke 5. Boom Boom 6. Mahela
  6. Mani - Ijazz17: 1. Glenn McGrath 2. Hayden 3. Mohammed Yousuf 4. Alec Stewart 5. Kane Williamson 6.H.Cronje
  7. KM: 1. Allan Donald 2. Shane Watson 3. Saeed Ajmal 4. Aravinda De Silva 5. Joe Root 6. Angelo Matthews
  8. PaulScholes18: 1. Kumar Sangakara 2. Sehwag 3. Holding 4. Rohit Sharma 5. A Mendis 6. Eoin Morgan
  9. Boycott: 1. Waqar Younis 2. Ganguly 3. Malinga 4. Walsh 5. Gibbs 6. Ross Taylor
  10. MJJ - Akash: 1. Imran Khan 2. Lara 3.Pietersen 4. Steyn 5. Steve Smith 6. Maxwell
  11. Crappy: 1. Jacques Kallis 2. Shane Warne 3. Shoaib Akhtar 4. Saeed Anwar 5. Cairns 6. Graeme Smith
  12. The Red Viper: 1. Shaun Pollock 2. Lance Klusener 3. Michael Hussey 4. Desmond Haynes 5. Greg Chappell 6. Daniel Vettori
  13. Skizzo: 1. Murali 2. Jayasuriya 3. Gayle 4. Inzamam 5. McDermott 6. Rhodes
  14. NM -Prath: 1. MS Dhoni 2. Virat Kohli 3. Flintoff 4. Andy Roberts 5. Kirsten 6. Shakib Al Hasan
  15. Skills: 1. Ricky Ponting 2. Kapil Dev 3. Saqlain Mushtaq 4. Andy Flower 5. Azharuddin 6. Ntini
  16. Samid: 1. Joel Garner 2. Michael Bevan 3. Gordon Greenidge 4. Zaheer Abbas 5. Abdul Qadir 6. Martin Crowe
@Aldo @Varun
 
Ijazz17 said:
Excellent pick @harshad and @The Man Himself . Razzaq is a classic option. Should have not lasted this long.
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We were going to pick him last turn only but as batsmen were getting picked fast, we risked allrounder position to get good batsmen in their roles. I was not optimistic of Razzaq going unpicked for next 30 picks (that's how long 1 and 16 position ones have to wait :) )
 
The Man Himself said:
We were going to pick him last turn only but as batsmen were getting picked fast, we risked allrounder position to get good batsmen in their roles. I was not optimistic of Razzaq going unpicked for next 30 picks (that's how long 1 and 16 position ones have to wait :) )
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I had penned you down for an opener and Spinner in my discussions with @Mani. Got one right. We desperately wanted Razzaq though. What a player he was! Even if you let him go, we wouldn't have got him. RT was next in line.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Don't see any relevant to the topic we're discussing. What's your point here?
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There are good players who played ODI cricket for 8-10 years who aren't qualified for this draft simply because there wasn't played enough ODI cricket back in the days. These days international teams play 50 ODIs in 2-3 years meaning there are many rubbish options available while better options from yesteryear are missing out. I really don't see the problem of having an open 12th round.
 
Samid said:
There are good players who played ODI cricket for 8-10 years who aren't qualified for this draft simply because there wasn't played enough ODI cricket back in the days. These days international teams play 50 ODIs in 2-3 years meaning there are many rubbish options available while better options from yesteryear are missing out. I really don't see the problem of having an open 12th round.
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Fair enough. There was one I wanted who doesn't fit because he doesn't match the criteria. But again the reason we have criteria is the make this tough and it stands to reason that some players might get missed out. Same with any drafts which as criterias.

Personally I still vote against changing rules. Anyway, it's skills decision here. Let him decide.
 
How Boucher lasted this long is a miracle. He doesn't have the best of averages, but he knows how to whack a few.
 
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