All Time ODI Cricket Draft SF 2: NM vs Crappy
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Pretty much this. Agreed.
OptaSam has it spot on. Never thought highly of him. Surprised he was picked in the QF replenishment pool and surprised he was picked in the SF as well. Insane.
Posting this again -
Viv's century in the final --
Viv's century in the final --
Lamb is average ODI batsmen and he's not so special as you mention it here,again its SF and do you think he deserve his place in this match? as well he's up against Warne, IMO you should have reinforced either one of Chandrapaul or A.Lamb.
Again toss is critical in my opinion, you should have opted to fielded second considering your bowling especially Wasim and his reverse swing.
Lamb would face 5 fast bowlers too against whom he is more than capable to score. As we said in OP, warne is good. Plus Chanderpaul is an excellent player of spin as is Dhoni Kohli Hayden and Kirsten. It seems unlikely that warne in his 10 overs would get rid of all these batsmen. Against fast bowlers lamb is well capable of scoring. I don't think Wasim needs to bowl second to be dangerous. Plus our batsmen are good chasers and there are no reverse swingers in their team.
Think that's decisive lead now. Congrats NM
Voted for crappy
Game back on.
Shit I just saw the teams and voted. Had no idea what the voting was like
I never check the score before voting. My vote made it 7-7. We are the levellersShit I just saw the teams and voted. Had no idea what the voting was like
For some reason i couldn't able to view those video.
Batsmen have less pressure to score while batting first compared to when the chase the score,which means less chance of getting out cheaply, look at the scenario when come up against the goat bowlers Wasim in your case or Warne in crappy's team.
besides Akram we also have Roberts and Murali who are difficult to score against. Plus bracken and Flintoff are excellent support bowlers who have swing and Fred can reverse it too and will complement the strike bowlers well too.
None of the opposition fast bowlers come close to Akram. Roberts is better than Kapil Dev too. Akhtar and malinga are not economical in any way. So the probability of getting openers cheaply is higher for our team than his.
This is not even including Brendan Taylor vs Dhoni as the WK and #6. Dhoni is a match winner in itself
Allan lamb hitting 16 off the last over vs Australia 1987
Allan Lamb chasing vs Windies of 80s
Love Crappy's batting. With the exception of Taylor, I rate everyone of his top 8, but I think his bowling falls a little short. Even though, I earlier said that Malinga is a little overrated, the seam conditions may favour him. That said, I think Akram will thrive here. As Crappy rightly said, he is the best of the lot. But at the same time, crappy raised a very valid point in that, if one of NM's 5 specialist bowlers go for runs, then there is absolutely no one to cover for him. To that, add the fact that Viv, Lloyd and Kallis will probably play a very long long innings in the middle. They may not finish strongly, but those middle overs will give them a huge advantage.
Chasing that, I love the idea of Hayden and Kirsten opening for NM. Two very different players who will complement each other beautifully. The big problem is probably Lamb and Chanderpaul. I think Prath and co overrate Lamb a little here and I personally like Chanderpaul, but he is not near the quality of Crappy's middle 3. So a lot of the responsibility will be on Kohli, which I have no doubt he will handle. So those middle overs will I think be very start-stop for NM's team and it may hurt them in the final 10-12 overs. It really depends on Captain Cool then. Could he do it in these conditions ? Against that bowling attack ? I think he can, he has done it time and again and has saved his team's ass no matter what and I think that's what does it for me.
Difficult, but have to go with NM.
Chasing that, I love the idea of Hayden and Kirsten opening for NM. Two very different players who will complement each other beautifully. The big problem is probably Lamb and Chanderpaul. I think Prath and co overrate Lamb a little here and I personally like Chanderpaul, but he is not near the quality of Crappy's middle 3. So a lot of the responsibility will be on Kohli, which I have no doubt he will handle. So those middle overs will I think be very start-stop for NM's team and it may hurt them in the final 10-12 overs. It really depends on Captain Cool then. Could he do it in these conditions ? Against that bowling attack ? I think he can, he has done it time and again and has saved his team's ass no matter what and I think that's what does it for me.
Difficult, but have to go with NM.
Think you are under rating my seam attack here. Dhoni has struggled against lesser bowlers than Dev.
Maybe a touch. Dev would do well with the ball swinging and so could Malinga. Infact almost all your pace bowlers can swing it. But your bowlers have a profligacy for giving away runs. That might hurt your team's chances especially as you are bowling second. I think your team will probably win the battle in the middle overs. It's just a case of whether Malinga, Akhthar can produce those yorkers and variations to trouble Dhoni and Kohls. It's really about what happens in those 10 overs of the game that settles it for me. The rest of the game will balance itself one way or the other.
"Roberts is better than Kapil" how do you come into that conclusion? Kapil lead the Indian pace attack in 80's, his out swingers are unplayable, in his peak he was economical, even late in his career his first 5 overs cost much lesser runs than other bowlers who bowled along with him
Point taken on Akhtar and Malinga, but again they are strike bowlers they might leak runs but they get you wkts at crucial intervals, break those partnerships especially in those middle overs.
Warne will be a bigger factor in middle overs. If you think Dhoni can school Warne like he schooled Murali then fair enough.
I am also amazed that Dhoni/Kohli factor is seemingly being touted more than Viv. If anyone is winning this with a match winning knock, it is most likely to be Richards.
Even removed from the draft, the oppo have been incredibly dishonest in terms of both the bowling attacks. Dev had better pedigree in ODIs than Roberts who ended up playing just 50 odd ODIs. Then to claim Bracken is a better bowler than Akhtar/Malinga is just absurd.
Yeah, but how many balls will Warne be bowling to Dhoni ? I see Dhoni coming in somewhere in the 35 over mark. So how many overs of Warne will Dhoni have to navigate through ? I don't mean to ask this sarcastically, I am genuine since you didn't really make mention of it in your write-up.
And you are absolutely right, Viv will probably have the best innings of the game.
The way I see it.
1st Innings
0-15 Overs - Even
16-42 Overs - Crappy by a mile and a half
42-50 - NM (Akram Factor)
2nd Innings
0-15 Overs - Slight edge to NM
16-40 - Crappy by just short of a mile
41-50 - ?????
Actually, now that I broke it down like that, I think Dhoni might have too much to do. I shouldn't have voted. :|
1st Innings
0-15 Overs - Even
16-42 Overs - Crappy by a mile and a half
42-50 - NM (Akram Factor)
2nd Innings
0-15 Overs - Slight edge to NM
16-40 - Crappy by just short of a mile
41-50 - ?????
Actually, now that I broke it down like that, I think Dhoni might have too much to do. I shouldn't have voted. :|
Warne can bowl towards the end. He turned that match in 96 semi -
.... bowling from 44 overs onwards.
My bowling plan has been listed in my write up - expose Kohli early on the pace attack. Then oppo either have to depend on Chanders/Lamb in the middle to anchor the chase or Dhoni has to come in early (either by choice or because of wickets). Either way, oppo's 6/7 will end up having too much to do here.
IMHO the most important part of your team in bowler friendly conditions is the top and middle order. My middle order especially has 3 batsmen that could be relied upon to take on any attack in any conditions. Opposition's batting line up is more likely to fold. If this was a flat batting wicket then I could absolutely see where you were coming from.
Still time
Ok, If I see the game going as I broke it down earlier, it may be too much for Dhoni and co. Changed my mind, going for Crappy.
Why? Murali is tough to score against. Bracken and Flintoff are also swing bowlers and economical than their counterparts. To say a mile is exaggerating it.
Viv-Kallis-Lloyd-Taylor vs Kohli-lamb-shiv-Dhoni isn't that different. Taylor here is a walking wicket. Lamb wasn't a dud at all. Especially vs Kallis cairns can't do much with old ball and are more expensive in comparison
Effectively they have 5 batsmen plus cairns to bat. Too much for Viv Kallis and Lloyd to do. Against Murali who is tougher to score against than warne. Not easy at all. With Roberts pace and Akram s
I have become a scape goat here
When you talk about swing, it's not like there will be much swing in the middle overs when the ball is worn out. Maybe Flintoff and Akram will get the ball to reverse in the death, but against Kallis-Viv-Lloyd, those middle overs has only one clear winner. Yeah, a mile might be an exaggeration, but add those batsmen plus one of your bowlers having an off day (not allowed I know since we are talking about peak), and it might be just that.
Like I said, I personally like Shiv. He has rescued Windies from several disastrous situations, but it will come at the expense of a lower rotation of strike. Even if Kohli plays his natural game, I don't think Lamb and Shiv will give him the sort of support you are looking for. If even one of them falls early, it could spell a disaster for you. You are also overly reliant on Kohli to give your team a big innings and Dhoni for the final push. But if even one of them fails, who will you turn to ? On the other hand, in the off chance that Viv departs early, you still have Kallis and lloyd. The last 10 of both innings might not go crappy's way, but his team can do a better job of solidifying the middle overs in both the sessions.
Its not a test match that you need every batsmen to score , its an ODI you just need few batsmen to score.
No too many would have watched that match, its Warne who pulled his team from brink of defeat.
Saw it live. Was quite a choke job.
It's a tie. First to 2 wins.
Bah
I was expecting Windies to chase it down,but that late order collapse, again this Aussies, they never give until match is actually lost.
I have become a scape goat here
When you talk about swing, it's not like there will be much swing in the middle overs when the ball is worn out. Maybe Flintoff and Akram will get the ball to reverse in the death, but against Kallis-Viv-Lloyd, those middle overs has only one clear winner. Yeah, a mile might be an exaggeration, but add those batsmen plus one of your bowlers having an off day (not allowed I know since we are talking about peak), and it might be just that.
Like I said, I personally like Shiv. He has rescued Windies from several disastrous situations, but it will come at the expense of a lower rotation of strike. Even if Kohli plays his natural game, I don't think Lamb and Shiv will give him the sort of support you are looking for. If even one of them falls early, it could spell a disaster for you. You are also overly reliant on Kohli to give your team a big innings and Dhoni for the final push. But if even one of them fails, who will you turn to ? On the other hand, in the off chance that Viv departs early, you still have Kallis and lloyd. The last 10 of both innings might not go crappy's way, but his team can do a better job of solidifying the middle overs in both the sessions.
Lamb averages 40 chasing. To say he won't give any support is frankly not true in any way. Lamb has chased against wi, India NZ and Aus teams of 1980s. You guys are talking as if he is Rohan Gavaskar
Windies choked big time.
Plus Kohli and Kirsten are two batsman who almost always saw a chase through. @Mani surely knows that having watched games in 90s with Kirsten
It's laughable to try to get Kohli out by exposing him to pace
Anyway being in class tough to post. Sir thought I was sleeping
It's laughable to try to get Kohli out by exposing him to pace
Anyway being in class tough to post. Sir thought I was sleeping