All-Time Fantasy Draft

[EDogen]

I was going to wait with my brazilian pick I thought but.. Say hey to Romario.

 

[MJJ]

For what its worth, I appreciate the advice all of you have given me. Am rethinking things right now, even the ones who were critical as thats an important part as well.

 

[Stobzilla]

Can someone post the full list again please ? It is kind of vital to be able to keep track.

 

[Theon]

What else do you expect me to do? I say something about the player in my team, it is campaigning. I raise a concern about someone else's team that too when the guy is asking for advice himself, it is again campaigning and being biased. I spent more time in backing up Firgueroa and Scirea against passerella and Baresi than in the whole Iniesta or Zidane thing, none of those two had anything to do with my team, and all was for the same reason, and it is me simply saying something I believe with reasons I think are logical. You can start the same comparisons anywhere anytime and you would see me having the exact same view, and mods have the authority to ban me if I differ to suit myself or my draft team.

As much as I enjoy having these discussions and arguments, I wouldn't be wasting my time if everything I say gets accused of campaigning and bias.

All I'm saying was the Iniesta argument was silly and very over the top. Part of that was probably down to him being your player, it's no big deal hence I never said anything at the time. It was amusing if anything for seeming so blatant.

Like I said I do it too though e.g Passarella. Or in the last draft I had Gary Neville fecking attacking like Zanetti and Kompany was Baresi version 2.

I've not been reading this Meazza bollocks so never agreed with anything Fergus has said. You've took this the wrong way man. The Iniesta argument was a tad ridiculous, that's it. No big deal.

 

[Isotope]

Meazza had pace, certainly by 30s standards, but Baggio was exactly the player I thought about while still mulling through this a while ago. Could Baggio play on the left and do a job? Sure. Does it make sense? No.

Why do you think it doesn't make sense? There are many successful example of skillful forward that play as WF. If Laudrup can, why wouldn't Baggio? I see them as similar type: excellent dribbler, creative, and has an eye for good pass. And Baggio was familiar to come from the further left to score goal or make assist.

 

[paceme]

feck you edogen!

 

[antohan]

feck you edogen!

I concur, actually told Aldo the only risks were you two so we could wait and see and arguably bag him much later

 

[paceme]

It was crazy he lasted this long

 

[EDogen]

feck you edogen!

I concur

I never thought he would last this long!

 

[Theon]

Yup another great pick by Edogen.

Got a feeling Gio is going to pick the player we want for next round!

 

[paceme]

He's online. Come on lads. I want to pick tonight really.

 

[antohan]

Fergus'son: 1. Beckenbauer 2. Eusebio 3. Didi 4. Krol 5. Zanetti
DanNistelrooy: Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. Nesta, 4. Gascoigne 5. Makelele
KM: 1. Messi 2. Scirea 3. Bozsik, 4. Sammer 5. Nedved
Thisistheone: 1. Maradona 2. B.Charlton 3. Eto'o, 4. Cannavaro 5. Coluna
NM: 1. Pele 2. Neeskens 3. Passarella 4. Boniek 5. Thuram
Cutch: 1. Best 2. Van Basten 3. Robson 4. R Baggio 5. Charles
Brwned: 1. Di Stéfano 2. Keane 3. Falcão 4. Giggs 5. Matthews
MJJ: 1. Duncan Edwards 2. Garrincha 3. Muller 4. Luis Suárez 5. Meazza
JakeC: 1. Ronaldo 2. Maldini 3. Deschamps 4. Gento 5. Stam
mightberight: 1. Ferenc Puskas 2. Stoichkov 3. Breitner 4. Jairzinho 5. Bergomi
EDogen: 1. Cruyff 2. Moore 3. Redondo 4. Figo 5. Romario
Gio: 1. Platini 2. Xavi 3. Rivaldo 4. Kohler
Antohan: 1. Laudrup 2. Rijkaard 3. Iniesta 4. Facchetti
Stobzilla: 1. Zidane 2. Yashin (Russia) 3. Scholes 4. Souness
Isotope: 1. Zico 2. L. Matthäus 3. Santamaríá 4. Hansen
paceme: 1. Figueroa 2. Baresi 3. Voronin 4. Masopust

 

[Isotope]

Fine. I'll keep shut for the remaining part of this draft.

wise up, girls. You must have Liverpool's 'Outraged by everything, ashamed of nothing' attitude as managers.

 

[Gio]

Edgar Davids

Narrowed down my third central midfield slot to four midfielders from 60s to the present day, plumping for the one I consider as the best all-action midfielder post Matthaus. He ticks a number of boxes, left footed to complement Xavi and Platini, brings a combination of vigorous physicality and technical prowess harnessed through his Ajax education that ensures he'll fit into our style of play.

 

[Stobzilla]

Hmmmmm......

I like it.

 

[paceme]

Top class midfield that.

 

[NM]

Top class midfield that.

Yeah but he needs the complementing pieces now.

 

[Theon]

We might get down and back up here, plenty of us online.

 

[paceme]

come on anto

 

[NM]

i just saw 30 mins highlights of the 1971 derby with city that ended 3-3.. city guy dived to protest after he hacked Best - claimed Best dived.. I'd love to see what the reaction to that would be in the modern game..

 

[antohan]

Titty Ahnree

Fergus'son: 1. Beckenbauer 2. Eusebio 3. Didi 4. Krol 5. Zanetti
DanNistelrooy: Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. Nesta, 4. Gascoigne 5. Makelele
KM: 1. Messi 2. Scirea 3. Bozsik, 4. Sammer 5. Nedved
Thisistheone: 1. Maradona 2. B.Charlton 3. Eto'o, 4. Cannavaro 5. Coluna
NM: 1. Pele 2. Neeskens 3. Passarella 4. Boniek 5. Thuram
Cutch: 1. Best 2. Van Basten 3. Robson 4. R Baggio 5. Charles
Brwned: 1. Di Stéfano 2. Keane 3. Falcão 4. Giggs 5. Matthews
MJJ: 1. Duncan Edwards 2. Garrincha 3. Muller 4. Luis Suárez 5. Meazza
JakeC: 1. Ronaldo 2. Maldini 3. Deschamps 4. Gento 5. Stam
mightberight: 1. Ferenc Puskas 2. Stoichkov 3. Breitner 4. Jairzinho 5. Bergomi
EDogen: 1. Cruyff 2. Moore 3. Redondo 4. Figo 5. Romario
Gio: 1. Platini 2. Xavi 3. Rivaldo 4. Kohler 5. Davids
Antohan: 1. Laudrup 2. Rijkaard 3. Iniesta 4. Facchetti 5. Henry
Stobzilla: 1. Zidane 2. Yashin (Russia) 3. Scholes 4. Souness 5. Savicevic
Isotope: 1. Zico 2. L. Matthäus 3. Santamaríá 4. Hansen 5. Hagi
paceme: 1. Figueroa 2. Baresi 3. Voronin 4. Masopust

 

[Stobzilla]

SAVICEVIC !!!!


Fergus'son: 1. Beckenbauer 2. Eusebio 3. Didi 4. Krol 5. Zanetti
DanNistelrooy: Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. Nesta, 4. Gascoigne 5. Makelele
KM: 1. Messi 2. Scirea 3. Bozsik, 4. Sammer 5. Nedved
Thisistheone: 1. Maradona 2. B.Charlton 3. Eto'o, 4. Cannavaro 5. Coluna
NM: 1. Pele 2. Neeskens 3. Passarella 4. Boniek 5. Thuram
Cutch: 1. Best 2. Van Basten 3. Robson 4. R Baggio 5. Charles
Brwned: 1. Di Stéfano 2. Keane 3. Falcão 4. Giggs 5. Matthews
MJJ: 1. Duncan Edwards 2. Garrincha 3. Muller 4. Luis Suárez 5. Meazza
JakeC: 1. Ronaldo 2. Maldini 3. Deschamps 4. Gento 5. Stam
mightberight: 1. Ferenc Puskas 2. Stoichkov 3. Breitner 4. Jairzinho 5. Bergomi
EDogen: 1. Cruyff 2. Moore 3. Redondo 4. Figo 5. Romario
Gio: 1. Platini 2. Xavi 3. Rivaldo 4. Kohler 5. Davids
Antohan: 1. Laudrup 2. Rijkaard 3. Iniesta 4. Facchetti 5. Henry
Stobzilla: 1. Zidane 2. Yashin (Russia) 3. Scholes 4. Souness 5. Savicevic
Isotope: 1. Zico 2. L. Matthäus 3. Santamaríá 4. Hansen
paceme: 1. Figueroa 2. Baresi 3. Voronin 4. Masopust

 

[Isotope]

Nice picks, Anto adn Stob.

 

[antohan]

SAVICEVIC !!!!

I have had him there as a crush pick to be made, although he didn't fit in my plans really (considering tactics and who I already had, can't keep picking up lefties!).

Cracking player.

 

[Isotope]

Gheorghe Hagi

Fergus'son: 1. Beckenbauer 2. Eusebio 3. Didi 4. Krol 5. Zanetti
DanNistelrooy: Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. Nesta, 4. Gascoigne 5. Makelele
KM: 1. Messi 2. Scirea 3. Bozsik, 4. Sammer 5. Nedved
Thisistheone: 1. Maradona 2. B.Charlton 3. Eto'o, 4. Cannavaro 5. Coluna
NM: 1. Pele 2. Neeskens 3. Passarella 4. Boniek 5. Thuram
Cutch: 1. Best 2. Van Basten 3. Robson 4. R Baggio 5. Charles
Brwned: 1. Di Stéfano 2. Keane 3. Falcão 4. Giggs 5. Matthews
MJJ: 1. Duncan Edwards 2. Garrincha 3. Muller 4. Luis Suárez 5. Meazza
JakeC: 1. Ronaldo 2. Maldini 3. Deschamps 4. Gento 5. Stam
mightberight: 1. Ferenc Puskas 2. Stoichkov 3. Breitner 4. Jairzinho 5. Bergomi
EDogen: 1. Cruyff 2. Moore 3. Redondo 4. Figo 5. Romario
Gio: 1. Platini 2. Xavi 3. Rivaldo 4. Kohler 5. Davids
Antohan: 1. Laudrup 2. Rijkaard 3. Iniesta 4. Facchetti 5. Henry
Stobzilla: 1. Zidane 2. Yashin (Russia) 3. Scholes 4. Souness 5. Savicevic
Isotope: 1. Zico 2. L. Matthäus 3. Santamaríá 4. Hansen 5. Hagi
paceme: 1. Figueroa 2. Baresi 3. Voronin 4. Masopust

 

[antohan]

Fergus'son: 1. Beckenbauer 2. Eusebio 3. Didi 4. Krol 5. Zanetti
DanNistelrooy: Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. Nesta, 4. Gascoigne 5. Makelele
KM: 1. Messi 2. Scirea 3. Bozsik, 4. Sammer 5. Nedved
Thisistheone: 1. Maradona 2. B.Charlton 3. Eto'o, 4. Cannavaro 5. Coluna
NM: 1. Pele 2. Neeskens 3. Passarella 4. Boniek 5. Thuram
Cutch: 1. Best 2. Van Basten 3. Robson 4. R Baggio 5. Charles
Brwned: 1. Di Stéfano 2. Keane 3. Falcão 4. Giggs 5. Matthews
MJJ: 1. Duncan Edwards 2. Garrincha 3. Muller 4. Luis Suárez 5. Meazza
JakeC: 1. Ronaldo 2. Maldini 3. Deschamps 4. Gento 5. Stam
mightberight: 1. Ferenc Puskas 2. Stoichkov 3. Breitner 4. Jairzinho 5. Bergomi
EDogen: 1. Cruyff 2. Moore 3. Redondo 4. Figo 5. Romario
Gio: 1. Platini 2. Xavi 3. Rivaldo 4. Kohler 5. Davids
Antohan: 1. Laudrup 2. Rijkaard 3. Iniesta 4. Facchetti 5. Henry
Stobzilla: 1. Zidane 2. Yashin (Russia) 3. Scholes 4. Souness 5. Savicevic
Isotope: 1. Zico 2. L. Matthäus 3. Santamaríá 4. Hansen 5. Hagi
paceme: 1. Figueroa 2. Baresi 3. Voronin 4. Masopust

 

[Fergus' son]

I don't see much of an issue with playing Meazza, Garrincha and a left-sided player in behind Muller in a 4231. Edwards can cover Garrincha's flank while the other holding midfielder mops up the rest.

See, I don't really acknowledge a lot of the subtle differences in formations like, that, for me what I was described can easily be construed as a 4231. I should've probably made that more clear.

Ok you're making it clear that Meazza is central, forcing yourself to have to pick traditional left winger. I wouldn't let that bother me personally, if there's a great winger out there left to pick and a world class 'inside forward' I would still opt for the better player if I think it will make my team that little better. Votes are another issue.

Everything we know of Meazza indicates that he could play any attacking role and he is renowned so it's not that terrible a pick and not really a tactical disaster either. Denis Law played as an 'inside forward' too, ok so Meazza didn't play the role I was describing. But unlike Law, the things he is renowned for, dribbling, pace, invention etc are all perfect attributes for the position that MJJ was thinking of putting him in. With Suarez naturally dropping deeper and able to be just as effective slightly withdrawn, Meazza can move inside from the left as he feels appropriate and he would create space for hopefully a great RB.

Muller
-----Meazza---------------Garrincha
Suarez​

There's not much wrong with that IMO and can work just fine. Reminiscent of Utd with Ronaldo and all the players are great enough and have the skill sets to make it work.

Don't think it was his intention. I did notice a fair bit of campaigning with the whole Iniesta/Zidane comparison and it has been dealt with internally.

:antohawkinmeltdown.gif:

Fair enough, Aldo knows I think he's great though, helped me loads inthe other draft which you also helped with a great deal!

Not the first time I have held that view though. it would look like I am campaigning for my player, but there was recently a thread about some all time XI squads in the newbies and I raised the same points there as well.

I think I should start campaigning for some other teams to rectify my reputation that has been tarnished by Fergus' son.

Great, start with Beckenbauer and Didi!

I would certainly be calling you up on that. I have seen Garrincha a million times, club and country (lived in Brazil, they had a great retro football channel), not once did I see him on the left wing or anywhere near anything "insidey", pure right wing.

He played inside in the final, with a winger providing the width. Can he do an Iniesta? Yes. Can you play with a wide player and an inside forward on the other side doing an Iniesta? Yes, but every time someone has done that they ended up with egg on their face, people like symmetry, ask Gio (note. your advice on fullbacks there was very good). Do I think MJJ should give up the chance of having an actual wide player in case he comes up against a weak RB? No, it cost me the 70s final not to have an out and out winger tearing a new one into Gary Kelly.

Yeah, the symmetry thing. I can see what you are saying that it may affect the votes but it's all in good fun anyway and I think his team could actually work well once it's all figured out. What I really wanted to make clear was that his thought behind could and actually would work, especially with someone of his reputed talent and I don't think it's particularly difficult for forwards to adjust to different systems.

Like I said further up, I see that formation with Garrincha Suarez and Meazza behind Muller being effective. Great array of multi talents there and symmetry is overrated.

 

[Pat_Mustard]

Davids, Xavi and Platini is a sensational midfield - up there with Brwned's three of Keane, Falcao and Di Stefano.

 

[JakeC]

Stam and Maldini is a superb defensive partnerships, they're both winners, Maldini is one of, if not the best defender of all time, so intelligent, almost telepathic, whilst Stam is sheer physicality, an immense tackler, great in the air, and lightening quick. Deschamps was one of the most consistent players of all time, and has marked some of the greatest players in the world out of it, was decent on the ball too. Gento, is probably the quickest player to ever grace the game, and had an amazing left foot, whilst Ronaldo, is just Ronaldo.

 

[Theon]

Remember to PM guys if it's close to your turn and you're heading offline.

 

[NM]

come on paceme.. pick and we can go back up!!

 

[Brwned]

Stam and Maldini is a superb defensive partnerships, they're both winners, Maldini is one of, if not the best defender of all time, so intelligent, almost telepathic, whilst Stam is sheer physicality, an immense tackler, great in the air, and lightening quick. Deschamps was one of the most consistent players of all time, and has marked some of the greatest players in the world out of it, was decent on the ball too. Gento, is probably the quickest player to ever grace the game, and had an amazing left foot, whilst Ronaldo, is just Ronaldo.

Maldini's a left back though.

 

[Fergus' son]

Iniesta played as a winger, Meazza as an inside forward...I see no comparison whatsoever.

Spoiler

By your logic you could play Denis Law on the wing because he sometimes played as an "inside forward".

Spoiler

I do find this hard to believe.

Look at Meazza there, that could easily be Iniesta with Guita being Jordi Alba. I don't see how its so dramatically different.

Iniesta is another player that is actually better centrally, but got shifted out wide permanently to accomodate others and he is brilliant there because he's a great player.

The Denis Law thing is pointless. It's not only because Meazza played as an inside forward, it's that in combination with what history tells us about his qualities which actually do suggest he could play the role with ease.

 

[Isotope]

I'm ready, whenever paceme done.
If he picks my draft, then I will use the 12 hr card. So, don't do it, paceme!

 

[Brwned]

Paceme's been offline for an hour, that's it for tonight.

 

[paceme]

Batistuta and Ruud Gullit!

 

[Moby]

Fergus'son: 1. Beckenbauer 2. Eusebio 3. Didi 4. Krol 5. Zanetti
DanNistelrooy: Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. Nesta, 4. Gascoigne 5. Makelele
KM: 1. Messi 2. Scirea 3. Bozsik, 4. Sammer 5. Nedved
Thisistheone: 1. Maradona 2. B.Charlton 3. Eto'o, 4. Cannavaro 5. Coluna
NM: 1. Pele 2. Neeskens 3. Passarella 4. Boniek 5. Thuram
Cutch: 1. Best 2. Van Basten 3. Robson 4. R Baggio 5. Charles
Brwned: 1. Di Stéfano 2. Keane 3. Falcão 4. Giggs 5. Matthews
MJJ: 1. Duncan Edwards 2. Garrincha 3. Muller 4. Luis Suárez 5. Meazza
JakeC: 1. Ronaldo 2. Maldini 3. Deschamps 4. Gento 5. Stam
mightberight: 1. Ferenc Puskas 2. Stoichkov 3. Breitner 4. Jairzinho 5. Bergomi
EDogen: 1. Cruyff 2. Moore 3. Redondo 4. Figo 5. Romario
Gio: 1. Platini 2. Xavi 3. Rivaldo 4. Kohler 5. Davids
Antohan: 1. Laudrup 2. Rijkaard 3. Iniesta 4. Facchetti 5. Henry
Stobzilla: 1. Zidane 2. Yashin (Russia) 3. Scholes 4. Souness 5. Savicevic
Isotope: 1. Zico 2. L. Matthäus 3. Santamaríá 4. Hansen 5. Hagi
paceme: 1. Figueroa 2. Baresi 3. Voronin 4. Masopust 5. Batistuta 6. Gullit

 

[NM]

Fergus'son: 1. Beckenbauer 2. Eusebio 3. Didi 4. Krol 5. Zanetti
DanNistelrooy: Cristiano Ronaldo 2. Ronaldinho 3. Nesta, 4. Gascoigne 5. Makelele
KM: 1. Messi 2. Scirea 3. Bozsik, 4. Sammer 5. Nedved
Thisistheone: 1. Maradona 2. B.Charlton 3. Eto'o, 4. Cannavaro 5. Coluna
NM: 1. Pele 2. Neeskens 3. Passarella 4. Boniek 5. Thuram
Cutch: 1. Best 2. Van Basten 3. Robson 4. R Baggio 5. Charles
Brwned: 1. Di Stéfano 2. Keane 3. Falcão 4. Giggs 5. Matthews
MJJ: 1. Duncan Edwards 2. Garrincha 3. Muller 4. Luis Suárez 5. Meazza
JakeC: 1. Ronaldo 2. Maldini 3. Deschamps 4. Gento 5. Stam
mightberight: 1. Ferenc Puskas 2. Stoichkov 3. Breitner 4. Jairzinho 5. Bergomi
EDogen: 1. Cruyff 2. Moore 3. Redondo 4. Figo 5. Romario
Gio: 1. Platini 2. Xavi 3. Rivaldo 4. Kohler 5. Davids
Antohan: 1. Laudrup 2. Rijkaard 3. Iniesta 4. Facchetti 5. Henry
Stobzilla: 1. Zidane 2. Yashin (Russia) 3. Scholes 4. Souness 5. Savicevic
Isotope: 1. Zico 2. L. Matthäus 3. Santamaríá 4. Hansen 5. Hagi
paceme: 1. Figueroa 2. Baresi 3. Voronin 4. Masopust 5. Batistuta 6. Gullit

follow the system mate - bold the posters who have gone beyond 6 hours once

 

[Moby]

follow the system mate - bold the posters who have gone beyond 6 hours once

Sorry, didn't know that. Fixed.

 

[antohan]

Off to bed. Aldo, you do the honours or PM someone.