I'll take him in a heartbeat given the chance. Either him or Matthaus for the defensive midfield position IMO and Matthaus may be perhaps utilised elsewhere.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) are here to give their reaction just hours after the news has broke. Where did it all go wrong for ETH? What's next for United? and what were the highlights?
They also react to United's loss away at West Ham, including a breakdown of that ridiculous VAR decision.
I'll take him in a heartbeat given the chance. Either him or Matthaus for the defensive midfield position IMO and Matthaus may be perhaps utilised elsewhere.
Yeah me too, that's why I was asking because I was so surprised.
It is jakec's turn, isn't it? He came, posted something random and left without picking? 
We just got lost in translation, mate. The "everything" that is suggesting you otherwise, well I haven't heard any of that "everything" from the man who picked him or you, except all I hear is he can play there because he is a great player. That didn't really help my "doubts" over him. And again, I have "doubts" over him playing in any role since I have never seen him play, so well that is well I can explain what I want to say. Apologies if it doesn't help!
Ok then fine.
It's not really upto me to defend Meazza, but th things I'v read and heard are on all the usual sources of information. You said yourself he played as an inside forward in the WC final, if that doesn't tell you that he can play as an inside forward I hav no idea what will! I asked my dad to tell me more but even he says he doesn't know much about him apart from that he had a huge reputation for being one of the very best.
You got Falcao last time, don't be greedy. There's no doubt he's underrated on here though, it's probably best you avoid arguing over him again!
Agree with Aldo by the way that "inside forward "is very vague. It could mean anything from Haynes to Boniek. Certainly doesn't prove he could play as a Barca-style "inside forward".
I like the spirit
My suggestion of getting a LWF was primarily thinking backups (and there are still some scorching ones out there). In the event that you get stick for it you can do something about it, which I think is always a good way to prepare. After the draft that's it!
There was a cracking story of Meazza arriving 5 minutes before a game against Milan. Some board members were fed up with his lifestyle and threatened to have words after the game, lots of loud Italian hand waving, etc... They never did, he scored a hat-trick
Insurance. That's what two subs are for, it's not like players get injured, is it?
Probably best for you (it has done my head in since I noticed I was 13th, far enough to miss out and not low enough to make pairs like paceme, or iso once paceme had done his CB pair).
It may well have taken you this long because you wrote off Brazil long ago. Why do you think the likes of Rivaldo and Falcao lasted so long? I'm still a bit miffed not to have gone for Falcao, but Rijkaard was never going to make it.
It was more of a 4-2-4 anyway as would have played my cm very deep and the wingers high up the pitch, so wanted advice if two in midfield would stack up or not in the competition.
I do have a LW in mind, if he is still available by that time. Will see.
I read that about meazza as well, enhanced his legend for me.
It is jakec's turn, isn't it? He came, posted something random and left without picking?
Yes he did! That if something is odd?
I can safely said that our Draft is 100x much better than the one I had at RAWK. The discussion and knowledge of posters (Brwned, Antohan, Aldo and some others) are entertaining and amazing.
I thought it was might be rights?It is jakec's turn, isn't it? He came, posted something random and left without picking?
I'd disagree with you if you are saying that all inside forwards of older generations can easily play as wide forwards in modern formations without knowing anything else like stronger foot, among plenty of other things.
Doesn't have to be 'Barca style', can be any style. He's an attacker, that can play coming in from the wing, that should prove that it's fine to go with him and Garrincha on either side.
If I had Haynes or Boniek, I would have no problem making a like for like substitution with one for the other. So what they play the role differently, they still occupy that position on the field which is all a formation indicates IMO.
Exactly.
With players of that quality, I think it's fair to make that assumption. Anyway, put Garrincha on the left and Meazza on the right and it's job done, WC final proof that Meazza is playing a role he has done before and I doubt anyone will question Garrinchas ability to play on either flank.
Meazza is reputed to be two-footed, with good vision and exceptional vision and flair so think he can easily play as a modern inside forward.
You played there as well? Which one? I don't know if they are not knowledgeable or don't put the effort of getting into discussions, but there is close to no information on players picked compare to her.Oh and you flatter me sir, by putting me in that company. I'd pay to read Antohan's and Brwned's opinions on past players!
Of course it doesn't have to, it's just the setup he said he was aiming for.
I don't see Meazza having the pace for that role, in my mind he's a Baggio type. Playing Haynes out wide is like playing Platini there. Sheer lunacy.
Sounds very much like a central player to me.
Come on Jakey
He's clearly trying to find a set up that suits best, hence why he asked for advice.
People probably thought playing Iniesta out wide was lunacy at first too, but it worked. By all accounts, same is true of Meazza, seeing as he's played the role and in a WC final no less. Does this count for nothing?
He probably is best suited to playing central, doesn't mean he can't play wider though.
I dont know if he ever played in midfield though. Could probably do a job as an AM but was never played there so would be a weird decision putting him there.
I dont think speed was an issue for him. I like him as he gives me flexibility in option as has played as CF and on the wings for an equal amount of time and excelled at both.
There you go, Cutch.
Edogen has a nice looking side.
I really don't understand this. Here's a player, recognised as one of the greatest ever but not many people know a lot about him. What we do know is that he was supremely talented, and by all accounts could play up front or as a wide forward/inside forward and indeed played the latter in a WC final. Yet people are deciding that he can't play wide? How does that work considering we can have hardly seen him?
Everything suggests to me that he can do an Iniesta or David Villa esque role to as good a level as them.
Everything suggests to me that he can do an Iniesta or David Villa esque role to as good a level as them.
So are there actually 13 rounds of picking?
The part where I take another road. That is just not the same for me. Inside forwards had out and out wingers to provide width on the same side of the pitch, wide forwards don't. What they have are wingbacks, who also have to hold the flank at the back while attacking, and not just the same as someone like Gento who was the wide option for Madrid while Puskas was the inside forward. It is a completely different ball game and totally changes the dynamic.
Iniesta played as a winger, Meazza as an inside forward...I see no comparison whatsoever.
By your logic you could play Denis Law on the wing because he sometimes played as an "inside forward".
Yep. Says so in the opening post.
That's a question of role then, it doesn't negate the possibility of putting Meazza on the left of a front three. Of course he can be put there, but he'll the play the role how he plays it.
I already outlined the importance of picking the correct FBs to MJJ with regards to Garrincha and Meazza already.
Neither did I negate any possibility, instead asked for the reason of playing him as a wide forward without implying that he cannot play there.
And him playing inside right in a WC final is not an enough reason for me, as I explained earlier with the differences in the role.
Iniesta played as a winger, Meazza as an inside forward...I see no comparison whatsoever.
By your logic you could play Denis Law on the wing because he sometimes played as an "inside forward".
No, I never said for him to play as a winger, I said for him to play on that flank as an inside forward.
Didn't Pele often play as an inside forward? I'm sure if we had him on the left of Muller and Garriincha it would work fine, maybe not ideally, but it would work just fine.
We've heard what his attributes are, nothing to suggest Iniesta has more in his locker than Meazza, so why can't he play the role successfully?
I don't understand all this business with inside forward/wide forward. Silva and Mata aren't anything like wingers. Neither of them are going to be causing their full back problems in the same way, say Valencia will, because they have licence to roam inwards yet on the team sheet it will put them out wide.
Just because Meazza may start in that wide position does not mean he will stay there or even play there for most of the match. It's not like formations have to be asymmetrical either.
Just because Meazza may start in that wide position does not mean he will stay there or even play there for most of the match. It's not like formations have to be asymmetrical either.
I think Antohan made a great point which got missed in between, when he thought picking Meazza was not the best option, as in a case where you face a team with an average fullback but a strong CB pair, you'd rather have a quality winger who stretches the defense instead of a player who would naturally move inwards and play into the hands of a strong CB and DM core, which is the case in most teams here. In a real game having a proper winger would be a better option and give you a better chance of winning.
You could argue that the extra player in the center will help you dominate the midfield though. If he picks the correct full back then it could work fine.
Wing/Inside Forward - it's all the same thing in a 433. They're taking up a wide position - completely different to playing as an inside forward in a 5 man attack which is very much a central role. Some of the inside forwards are like Didi/Di Stéfano in that they're really just attacking midfielders, some are like Pelé/Meazza in that they're withdrawn forwards, some are like Law in that they're genuinely just playing as forwards. None are like Iniesta in that Spain side, IMO.
Yes, Pelé could play there, Di Stéfano could play there or Maradona could play there. There's a whole host of #10s who could conceivably play there, it'd just be an epic waste of their talent. That's all I'm saying about Meazza. I'm sure he could get on the ball and influence things from there.
No fullback would exploit the opposition fullback as well as a quality winger can. Roberto Carlos, one of the best attacking fullbacks couldn't take the role as a winger at Inter, because he is a fullback. The reasons such fullbacks are effective going forwards is because of the unpredictability provided by a winger who is the primary option in attack and creates space.
Also, if the other team has strong wingers, the fullback cannot bomb forward much in the first place, as that risks your team to get murdered on the counter.
Thank you! I really want to pick my next player now.. hope that jakec and mightberight have others in mind..
I still remember the final of the same draft in the newbies against you. Was a cracking game. Looking strong, again.
That was a great final yes, our teams was just about the same strenght! I learned a lot from that time but this time is just as fun!
Don't look at me, I've been keeping tabs with this thread all evening!
That's great, but please PM your pick to someone before you leave. I'd be here for a few hours.
Yeah I know it is Jake, and he seems to be online right now!