I have a plan, of sorts. Whether it'll work or not is another thing!
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) are here to give their reaction just hours after the news has broke. Where did it all go wrong for ETH? What's next for United? and what were the highlights?
They also react to United's loss away at West Ham, including a breakdown of that ridiculous VAR decision.
I have a plan, of sorts. Whether it'll work or not is another thing!
Right I've Cutch picks, NM please PM me after you've made your pick.
I am not sure that would be getting the best out of them. Both played a very advanced role in their teams. Plus that is 3 players basically doing the same thing without having any bodies ahead of them making runs. Stepping on each others' toes if you ask me. You can see Coluna's position in the line up, and how advanced it is. Giving him midfield duties would be suicidal imo.
Them old formations are fecking absurd.
Crazy that everyone played that way.
Crazy that everyone played that way.
I wish I could help but Coluna is a enigma for, can't figure what his best position was or where he likes to play etc, that's why I asked.
You'll be able to figure it out though. Maradona can be put anywhere and he will still be greatly effective so that gives you enough flexibility to find a good system. You'll need to think carefully about your next pick...
I honestly think Coluna could do a job deeper, if need be. He had such a good engine. He's able to take on board some kind of defensive responsibilty. Those old formations are not much use anymore but it doesn't mean the older players would struggle to fit into modern systems.
Those formations are poor reflections of how they actually played IMO, you see lots of them with 4 or 5 strikers but when you watch them play you seem them dropping deep, defending, rotating etc.
The current Barcelonas teams formation could probably be illustrated in all manner of ways, 2 at the back wouldn't be a hugely inaccurate depiction.
The current Barcelonas teams formation could probably be illustrated in all manner of ways, 2 at the back wouldn't be a hugely inaccurate depiction.
I am watching the game right now in fact, doesn't seem to be very far from a modern attacking midfielder. At least not doing much a defensive duty there.
I am not sure that would be getting the best out of them. Both played a very advanced role in their teams. Plus that is 3 players basically doing the same thing without having any bodies ahead of them making runs. Stepping on each others' toes if you ask me. You can see Coluna's position in the line up, and how advanced it is. Giving him midfield duties would be suicidal imo.
The old 235's always misrepresent how these players really set up though. The inside forwards didn't play that far forward in the 60s, not at all. And in '66 Coluna was very much a midfield enforcer from deep rather than an inside forward. Certainly he seemed to play further forward for Benfica in his earlier years but he showed he was more than capable of running things from there in that tournament alone, IMO.
I read the same, that he can put in a foot, but like Didi or Charlton, that would taking a huge chunk out of their game in the final third. Sir Bobby was instructed to mark Kaiser as well which showed that the gaffer believed who could defend, but it would be a shame to lose their quality going forward.
Aldo, Iso and Fergus' son will remember the Serie A draft we had in the newbies last summer and Brwned beat me with something like:-
---------Striker
Del Piero-Zidane-Rui Costa
--------DM-----DM
----------Back 4
-----------GK
So if Del Piero, Zidane and Rui Costa could fit into that set-up then why not Charlton-Maradona-Coluna? ...If I do end up using Mario that far foward.
---------Striker
Del Piero-Zidane-Rui Costa
--------DM-----DM
----------Back 4
-----------GK
So if Del Piero, Zidane and Rui Costa could fit into that set-up then why not Charlton-Maradona-Coluna? ...If I do end up using Mario that far foward.
He is running things, not a problem in that. In fact all three of Coluna, Sir Bobby and Diego can play a deeper role, but I wouldn't like to put them there in a modern formation. I feel to get the best out of them they should be having someone providing more freedom than they would get while playing as a full fledged CM.
Both are very narrow.
We all know it was not the tactics that won him that game.
true. He talks a good game as well in fairness. He managed to convince the whole board that Ruben Sosa was a world beater. That already shows the formation to be misleading then, why is he pushed all the way forward when he is doing a creative midfield role?
Hopefully I can land some explosive wing backs to provide width. It's going to be a ridiculously attacking team though...
Yeah, would need very good WBs to account for that lack of width.
Just seen you have no Brazillian, so great opportunity to pick up a world class attacking wing back.
That is sort of a given, isn't it? In fact it is not 2-3-5 but 2-3-2-3 where both inside forwards tend to drop deep and dictate play while scoring a few themselves.
In the same game Coluna scored a goal from 15-20 yards out with an excellent strike, he was constantly in that area in the game and running the game. I don't see how a player like that, even if he is capable of putting in a defensive shift can survive as a modern CM without compromising on that goal threat and freedom. Also I am talking particularly in reference to this draft, where you have midfields filled of powerhouse names in midfield who have made their name putting in top shifts against top teams time after another, so a player who like to play fairly further up the pitch has to lose some points there.
In the same game Coluna scored a goal from 15-20 yards out with an excellent strike, he was constantly in that area in the game and running the game. I don't see how a player like that, even if he is capable of putting in a defensive shift can survive as a modern CM without compromising on that goal threat and freedom. Also I am talking particularly in reference to this draft, where you have midfields filled of powerhouse names in midfield who have made their name putting in top shifts against top teams time after another, so a player who like to play fairly further up the pitch has to lose some points there.
Not should, could, and probably won't.
Happy with our pick.
MentalnotetoneverpostfrommyBlackberryagain.
Read the 14 as 11, too friggin' tiny. Sorry for the confusion.
Lilian Thuram
will try and update lists in a bit.
Good to see you around. Will you bring us another last minute game changer?
That was classic. Game drawn, last minute, I press F5 for the umpteenth time and the poll is closed... but one vote had sneaked through. Amazing scenes... in my lounge
I wasn't making any comment on Coluna really, like I said, I find him hard to figure out.
Just saying that the old formation may look drastically different but it isn't always neccessarily so.
These are always the fun parts of drafts...
It's going to get really interesting from this round onwards!
It's going to get really interesting from this round onwards!
Cutch picks John Charles. I'm PMing the next guy.
That was probably my fault, although accurate. For some time he was simply unplayable. I'm positive the average Inter fan will have sweet memories of Recoba's cameo appearances and goals, but would rate Sosa way ahead of him as a consistent game-deciding performer.
Some really unfortunate picks... for me. I was hoping Gascoigne would be missed for a while. Thuram was to be expected... and him going along with Zanetti is taking some top quality out of the RB pool.
That is the case with all formations though. A 4-4-2 with Rooney and Hernandez up front is not quite the same as a 4-4-2 with say Eto'o and Ronaldo up front, while in theory both are 4-4-2 and on a team sheet will display those players in the same position. Player styles do come into account more often than not, however you can still get an approximate idea by looking at the formation and at least chalk out positions on the pitch where you really cannot think of playing the player without a risk.
I meant the old formations may look drastically different compared to the new ones but the difference is far less than is implied IMO.
Curveball time...I'm picking Stanley Matthews. Garrincha ain't got nothing on him!
Not a curve ball at all, was bound to go very soon.
Curveball time...I'm picking Stanley Matthews. Garrincha ain't got nothing on him!
was close to picking him earlier
Look at the state of his hair, Christ!
Fergus'son: 1. Beckenbauer, 2. Eusebio, 3. Didi, 4. Krol, 5. Zanetti
DanNistelrooy: Cristiano Ronaldo, 2. Ronaldinho, 3. Nesta, 4. Gascoigne, 5. Makelele
KM: 1. Messi, 2. Scirea 3. Bozsik, 4. Sammer, 5. Nedved
Thisistheone: 1. Maradona, 2. B.Charlton, 3. Eto'o, 4. Cannavaro, 5. Coluna
NM: 1. Pele, 2. Neeskens, 3. Passarella, 4. Boniek, 5. Thuram
Cutch: 1. Best 2. Van Basten 3. Robson 4. R Baggio, 5. Charles
Brwned: 1. Di Stéfano, 2. Keane, 3. Falcão, 4. Giggs, 5. Matthews
MJJ: 1. Duncan Edwards, 2. Garrincha, 3. Muller, 4. Luis Suárez
JakeC: 1. Ronaldo, 2. Maldini, 3. Deschamps, 4. Gento
mightberight: 1. Ferenc Puskas, 2. Stoichkov, 3. Breitner, 4. Jairzinho
EDogen: 1. Cruyff, 2. Moore, 3. Redondo, 4. Figo,
Gio: 1. Platini, 2. Xavi, 3. Rivaldo, 4. Kohler
Antohan: 1. Laudrup, 2. Rijkaard, 3. Iniesta, 4. Facchetti,
Stobzilla: 1. Zidane, 2. Yashin (Russia), 3. Scholes, 4. Souness
Isotope: 1. Zico, 2. L. Matthäus, 3. Santamaríá, 4. Hansen,
paceme: 1. Figueroa, 2. Baresi, 3. Voronin, 4. Masopust,
DanNistelrooy: Cristiano Ronaldo, 2. Ronaldinho, 3. Nesta, 4. Gascoigne, 5. Makelele
KM: 1. Messi, 2. Scirea 3. Bozsik, 4. Sammer, 5. Nedved
Thisistheone: 1. Maradona, 2. B.Charlton, 3. Eto'o, 4. Cannavaro, 5. Coluna
NM: 1. Pele, 2. Neeskens, 3. Passarella, 4. Boniek, 5. Thuram
Cutch: 1. Best 2. Van Basten 3. Robson 4. R Baggio, 5. Charles
Brwned: 1. Di Stéfano, 2. Keane, 3. Falcão, 4. Giggs, 5. Matthews
MJJ: 1. Duncan Edwards, 2. Garrincha, 3. Muller, 4. Luis Suárez
JakeC: 1. Ronaldo, 2. Maldini, 3. Deschamps, 4. Gento
mightberight: 1. Ferenc Puskas, 2. Stoichkov, 3. Breitner, 4. Jairzinho
EDogen: 1. Cruyff, 2. Moore, 3. Redondo, 4. Figo,
Gio: 1. Platini, 2. Xavi, 3. Rivaldo, 4. Kohler
Antohan: 1. Laudrup, 2. Rijkaard, 3. Iniesta, 4. Facchetti,
Stobzilla: 1. Zidane, 2. Yashin (Russia), 3. Scholes, 4. Souness
Isotope: 1. Zico, 2. L. Matthäus, 3. Santamaríá, 4. Hansen,
paceme: 1. Figueroa, 2. Baresi, 3. Voronin, 4. Masopust,
Taking Guiseppi Meazza.
Question, should I go 4-3-3 with him and garrincha up top or 4-4-2?
Look, something for the guy who was looking for players from the 30s.