Thisistheone
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Maradona, Charlton and Coluna? I am not sure how that would work.
I have a plan, of sorts. Whether it'll work or not is another thing!
Maradona, Charlton and Coluna? I am not sure how that would work.
Right now he's going to be pushed up alongside Charlton & Maradona in a narrow 4231. But that could change depending on who goes til my next turn.
Think Coluna is capable of dropping deeper, as is Charlton so there's a couple of options available still. Any advice?
Right now he's going to be pushed up alongside Charlton & Maradona in a narrow 4231. But that could change depending on who goes til my next turn.
Think Coluna is capable of dropping deeper, as is Charlton so there's a couple of options available still. Any advice?
I am not sure that would be getting the best out of them. Both played a very advanced role in their teams. Plus that is 3 players basically doing the same thing without having any bodies ahead of them making runs. Stepping on each others' toes if you ask me. You can see Coluna's position in the line up, and how advanced it is. Giving him midfield duties would be suicidal imo.
Those formations are poor reflections of how they actually played IMO, you see lots of them with 4 or 5 strikers but when you watch them play you seem them dropping deep, defending, rotating etc.
The current Barcelonas teams formation could probably be illustrated in all manner of ways, 2 at the back wouldn't be a hugely inaccurate depiction.
I am not sure that would be getting the best out of them. Both played a very advanced role in their teams. Plus that is 3 players basically doing the same thing without having any bodies ahead of them making runs. Stepping on each others' toes if you ask me. You can see Coluna's position in the line up, and how advanced it is. Giving him midfield duties would be suicidal imo.
I honestly think Coluna could do a job deeper, if need be. He had such a good engine. He's able to take on board some kind of defensive responsibilty. Those old formations are not much use anymore but it doesn't mean the older players would struggle to fit into modern systems.
The old 235's always misrepresent how these players really set up though. The inside forwards didn't play that far forward in the 60s, not at all. And in '66 Coluna was very much a midfield enforcer from deep rather than an inside forward. Certainly he seemed to play further forward for Benfica in his earlier years but he showed he was more than capable of running things from there in that tournament alone, IMO.
Aldo, Iso and Fergus' son will remember the Serie A draft we had in the newbies last summer and Brwned beat me with something like:-
---------Striker
Del Piero-Zidane-Rui Costa
--------DM-----DM
----------Back 4
-----------GK
So if Del Piero, Zidane and Rui Costa could fit into that set-up then why not Charlton-Maradona-Coluna?
Aldo, Iso and Fergus' son will remember the Serie A draft we had in the newbies last summer and Brwned beat me with something like:-
---------Striker
Del Piero-Zidane-Rui Costa
--------DM-----DM
----------Back 4
-----------GK
So if Del Piero, Zidane and Rui Costa could fit into that set-up then why not Charlton-Maradona-Coluna?
We all know it was not the tactics that won him that game.
I am watching the game right now in fact, doesn't seem to be very far from a modern attacking midfielder. At least not doing much a defensive duty there.
Both are very narrow.
Both are very narrow.
Hopefully I can land some explosive wing backs to provide width. It's going to be a ridiculously attacking team though...
So all-time draft should include players from the 20s and 30s too right?
Only 20 mins left.
KM picked at 1304 GMT so almost 2 odd hours to go I believe.
I was going off what antohan said.
Thisistheone is at work, he picks Mário Coluna.
That is sort of a given, isn't it? In fact it is not 2-3-5 but 2-3-2-3 where both inside forwards tend to drop deep and dictate play while scoring a few themselves.
In the same game Coluna scored a goal from 15-20 yards out with an excellent strike, he was constantly in that area in the game and running the game. I don't see how a player like that, even if he is capable of putting in a defensive shift can survive as a modern CM without compromising on that goal threat and freedom. Also I am talking particularly in reference to this draft, where you have midfields filled of powerhouse names in midfield who have made their name putting in top shifts against top teams time after another, so a player who like to play fairly further up the pitch has to lose some points there.
true. He talks a good game as well in fairness. He managed to convince the whole board that Ruben Sosa was a world beater.
I wasn't making any comment on Coluna really, like I said, I find him hard to figure out.
Just saying that the old formation may look drastically different but it isn't always neccessarily so.
That is the case with all formations though. A 4-4-2 with Rooney and Hernandez up front is not quite the same as a 4-4-2 with say Eto'o and Ronaldo up front, while in theory both are 4-4-2 and on a team sheet will display those players in the same position. Player styles do come into account more often than not, however you can still get an approximate idea by looking at the formation and at least chalk out positions on the pitch where you really cannot think of playing the player without a risk.
Curveball time...I'm picking Stanley Matthews. Garrincha ain't got nothing on him!