I did mean in terms of how the game is going to play out to be fair. Such confusion coming from yourself in the early stages hasn't helped though and might cost you dearly...
All-time Fantasy Draft - KM v Thisistheone
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I did mean in terms of how the game is going to play out to be fair. Such confusion coming from yourself in the early stages hasn't helped though and might cost you dearly...
Edit - Sick editing in his post by KM.
KM's made too many changes already. Don't keep changing it based on what the next poster says.
On an unrelated note, I think you should go all out attack with 2 at the back.
On an unrelated note, I think you should go all out attack with 2 at the back.
Well that was an absolutely intense opening 5 or 10 minutes KM. 3 pages in an hour or so. Pass me that joint mate, I need to chill out.
Edit: Boszik is out of position for me. Has Messi ever played in a two up top? And Sammer, Scirea and Popluhar are all clashing. Everyone in my team is playing in their own position. It fits comfortably.
Edit: Boszik is out of position for me. Has Messi ever played in a two up top? And Sammer, Scirea and Popluhar are all clashing. Everyone in my team is playing in their own position. It fits comfortably.
Went for Thisistheone, his front four are insane. Tough though and hard to predict how the two systems would match up in reality, but in the end I envisage KM's team being really deep and Maradona, Cruyff and Garrincha just running at those 3 centre backs time and time again, with Messi and Ronaldo being isolated at the other end.
Against Cruyff and Garrincha Breitner and Garets aren't getting forward, so I can't see a clear transition for KM.
Against Cruyff and Garrincha Breitner and Garets aren't getting forward, so I can't see a clear transition for KM.
I don't think Messi and Ronaldo will be isolated at all, particularly the way they play the game. Perhaps it hasn't been made clear but I would think its safe to assume that Messi will be doing what he usually does, dropping deep to influence the game, linking with his midfielders and full backs, and with Ronaldo supporting him up top there won't be the issue of leaving no threat up front.
I think the the aversion that the cafe has to 532 to will haunt KM unfortunately, even though it would work well (better than mine). You have my vote anyway KM.
I think the the aversion that the cafe has to 532 to will haunt KM unfortunately, even though it would work well (better than mine). You have my vote anyway KM.
I don't understand the last part, is is the 3 CB they are running at or those plus Breitner and Gerets who aren't getting forward?
@ Fergus' son. When we played I lost votes for not having width and playing people out of position. Now I have corrected both and KM has a couple of players out of position, does that not count for something?
KM also has no real width. Can't rely on his full backs when they've got Cruyff & Garrincha to stop. Which means my fullbacks (possibly my weak point) are not directly challenged. I was more worried when KM had Messi on the right wing and Nedved on the left. Luckily he's tucked them in & dropped them back, in Pavel's case.
KM also has no real width. Can't rely on his full backs when they've got Cruyff & Garrincha to stop. Which means my fullbacks (possibly my weak point) are not directly challenged. I was more worried when KM had Messi on the right wing and Nedved on the left. Luckily he's tucked them in & dropped them back, in Pavel's case.
Just went for KM because of balance but thisistheone has a great team too
You still won though so it didn't matter that much to some people, in fact the majority of people.
I know, KM has made a bit of a meal of this to be honest, it was clear to me how he should've set up and I would've voted for him instantly if he did do so.
What players are out of position by the way? I suppose Bozsik is a tiny bit too far forward but then again I'm not really anal about things like that and I dont take formation graphics too literally (many people are and do however). I still haven't clicked to vote so you might convince me...
Like I said Breitner and Garets will not be getting forward much but should focus on defending against Cruyff and Garrincha.
The point about running at the centre backs is how I see the game playing out, KM sitting deep with Thisistheone dominating the ball and Maradona, Garrincha and Cruyff running at Scirea and co. This isn't a game I see Thisistheone playing on the counter in which the wingers play the flanks, the way that Cutch and Brwned both will for example.
Well true, I'm also of the opinion that these graphics aren't an exact representation of how and where a player will perform. But in general terms Bozsik should be deeper and overall KM has a few players who are too similar positionally - Bozsik & Busquets, Scirea & Sammer as well as Popluhar. Also not entirely convinced about Nedved being that deep and in the engine room alongside a monster like Coluna and a bat-shit crazy Bremner.
Bozsik is more versatile than you give him credit for (he's nothing like Busquets either) and Messi has played in a two up top numerous times for Argentina, linking up well with Aguero in particular who's not too dissimilar to Ronaldo. I agree about the sweepers though. Two you can get away with but not three. The issue with two sweepers is obviously a) which one is going to have to adapt their game to be the stopper and be the more forceful defender, in this case Popluhar would be doing so and coping reasonably well, and b) which one would be the primary ball-player, the quarto zagueiro as they say in Brazil.
Some sweeper duos like Scirea-Beckenbauer wouldn't work well because a) neither of them are acting as a stopper, b) neither is handing over the ball-playing reigns and c) one's not even a defender, but quite a few would work well. You can't just look on wiki, see Popluhar and Scirea were sweepers and decide they can't work together. That's why I didn't say anything before. I think the Czech could adapt and leave Scirea to do his thing. Now he's got Sammer in there it's a different proposition altogether and for me it's become a bit of a mess. I was going to vote for KM earlier but I think this has swung me right round in the other direction.
Interesting...
I'v been trying to get to th bottom of this sweeper alongside other sweeper stuff for a while now and this is the best answer thus far. There are some that disagree with you though.
If KM has lined up like this:
Gerets Popluahr Scirea Lizarazu
Sammer Bozsik Breitner
Messi ------------- Nedved
Ronaldo
Sammer Bozsik Breitner
Messi ------------- Nedved
Ronaldo
With slight adjustments or descriptions explaining Messi would be more up front and Nedved more midfield/winger then I would've gone for him in an instant.
This is how I imagine Glenn Roeder and Peter Taylor would behave when managing great players.
Shambles.
Shambles.
That's complete non sense. Both are far from best defenders to play the game and Ronaldo at his absolute peak was unstoppable. Arguably even more so than Messi.
Something to note on the current set-up (apart from the defensive mess), is that Messi is free to make one of his trademark moves in that he drops deeper and plays the diagonal inside the fullback for, mostly, Breitner to run onto (and we know he's a decent provider/goal scorer). Nedved is another option for that diagonal pass on occasion when he's surging forward.
In case it's not clear, I mean this;
Ironically all 3 of these perfect passes were fecked up by his team mates
In case it's not clear, I mean this;
Ironically all 3 of these perfect passes were fecked up by his team mates
There's no denying that his two of Messi and R9 are giving my centre backs a torid time. Luckily the flip side is Maradona, Cruyff & Garrincha. Plus Weah. His messy back 3 can't stop that. At least my centre backs compliment each other.
Something to note on the current set-up (apart from the defensive mess), is that Messi is free to make one of his trademark moves in that he drops deeper and plays the diagonal inside the fullback for, mostly, Breitner to run onto (and we know he's a decent provider/goal scorer). Nedved is another option for that diagonal pass on occasion when he's surging forward.
Ironically all 3 of these perfect passes were fecked up by his team mates
Good luck to Breitner doing that and leaving Garrincha completely free. Goals goals goals.
Obviously that's what the 3 man backline is for + Busquets could drop into it when the wingbacks move up, as his role at Barça prescribes him to do. Don't really see a tactical problem there. And I know who I'd fancy in a Breitner v Lahm duel.
Well, that's how I see it anyway.
As usual the resident feckwit speaks up.
Fair enough. What I'd say then though is if Busquets is leaving his area then there's even more room for Maradona. But that's just one aspect of the match. There's so many other things potentially going on, it's an even match in my eyes.
My thoughts too.
I know. What's his deal?
Not enter these drafts but then have a pop at the ones who do and have spent a lot of time picking players and tactics etc.
Wow, that's harsh! Do you have a history with TR? Seems a top bloke to me and has been at the receiving end of some harsh criticism himself as a manager.
There is an element of truth in what he said, just look at how many times tactics have changed! As a player you would be a bit mystified, all that work preparing for a game thrown out of the window in what? 5-10 minutes?
I've changed my tactics once. But is that what he meant? Didn't give a reason, just came in and had a go.
He maybe a top lad but he has made few blunders himself as a manager. Besides even if hes right on me, thisistheone hasn't done much wrong. .
Exactly, atleast elaborate on a comment like that!
You're right there are so many factors to keep in mind; all depending on the midfield battle you could have scenario's ranging from Garrincha being isolated on his flank, to Maradona taking advantage of Busquets dropping deeper, to Cruyff and Maradona both wanting to assert their dominance in the center of the park thus leaving the left flank open.
From the current graphics, it seems clear to me that Maradona is only starting that high up, because he'd be forced to drop deep to just even out the numbers in midfield. So KM's defense for all their problems look 5v3 without the ball and 4v3 with the ball.
Instinctively, I'd fancy both sides to score though, there's just too much creativity on both sides; if any advantage KM has at all offensively it's that I rate his offense higher at finishing. Then again you have the better set-piece threat (Maradona
).That's what I was suggesting earlier on the main Draft thread. I thought he also posted that formation?
Thisistheone has a brilliant team but Mario Coluna was a really attacking CM, when not an AM, effectively leaving him with 1 proper defensive midfielder against the likes of Messi & Ronaldo.
Crazy game.
I still think ..
Gerets Popluahr Scirea Lizarazu
Sammer
Breitner Bozsik Nedved
Messi Ronaldo
.. would have been best.Sammer
Breitner Bozsik Nedved
Messi Ronaldo
I really want to vote for KM, I don't like that Garrincha - Maradona - Cruyff lineup, can't see it work at all. But KM's last formation with Sammer sweeping behind the back 4 isn't really a great idea, either.
Bizarre having Enrique at RB in my opinion. I agree with the this in main.
Both the above see my point
Sorry if you don't like what I say but Ant has it pretty much spot on. KM, you have made several tactical changes some within 10 minutes of kick off. Terrible management and genuinely baffling when you consider the meticulous planning other managers put in when taking on the opposition.
You would never see this in reality and this has over shadowed the contest in my opinion, making the mananger's look incapable of not only tactical decisions but basic man management.
My vote is with Thisistheone by virtue of less confusion.
Tbf it looked like a smart arse comment by the you put it. I'm the first one to admit I've fecked up in this game.
If I were Luis Enrique I would be upset. Anyhow, calling him a feckwit was a bit unnecessary.
Edit: Just seen the last few posts. Never mind.
In fairness to KM & myself we had a lot of comments right from the off. A lot of people gave their opinions so we responded. Quotes like "Busquets instead of Sammer or Bozsik is terrible, probably done to win votes but it's probably lost mine." (So in this case KM was spot on to change because he then ended up winning this persons vote.)
And Luis Enrique started because I anticipated KM wouldn't line up with wingers directly opposing my fullbacks therefore I could afford to play Enrique, who is so versatile & plays midfield often, he would be comfortable when pushing up.
When tactics are changed, you as a manager respond. I seen Nedved pushed wide left so that prompted me to then remove Luis Enrique.
This has been a very well contested match imo and both of us have done well.
And Luis Enrique started because I anticipated KM wouldn't line up with wingers directly opposing my fullbacks therefore I could afford to play Enrique, who is so versatile & plays midfield often, he would be comfortable when pushing up.
When tactics are changed, you as a manager respond. I seen Nedved pushed wide left so that prompted me to then remove Luis Enrique.
This has been a very well contested match imo and both of us have done well.