Nah last time I was told that Busquets would provide more solidity in a 5-3-2.
All-time Fantasy Draft - KM v Thisistheone
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Nah last time I was told that Busquets would provide more solidity in a 5-3-2.
Let's not get into all that again!
I played him further forward last time. Now he's in his natural position.
@Anto. KM started with both Messi & Robben out on the right.
AldoRaine & Brwned seem to be knocking my team again but this time around it's for having too many brilliant players! Incredible. Shall I drop Cruyff, Maradona & Garrincha next time?
I think this game would be decided by two partnerships. Ronaldo-Messi or Maradona-Cruyff, whoever steps up more would take the game.
The former is against a defense with a make-shift versatile player playing as fullback and a defender who would rush into tackles without a second invitation. I particularly think Cannavaro would struggle against Messi, as the last thing a defender should do against him is go into the challenge early, which is where he would change direction and beat you for fun. That can easily give KM an early lead.
On the other hand, Scirea who has enough experience of playing against Maradona at his peak and did reasonably well, and in fact kept him out on a few occasions, one of which I remember very clearly. If Sammer drops back and helps out Gerets in taking care of Cruyff as Gerets alone might just get beaten a few times by the Dutchman, but if Sammer is there to cover him, with Scirea cutting off Maradona, it is at least a better proposition than Cannavaro, Blanc and Luis Enrique! against Ronaldo and Messi with Nedved darting forward from midfield.
The former is against a defense with a make-shift versatile player playing as fullback and a defender who would rush into tackles without a second invitation. I particularly think Cannavaro would struggle against Messi, as the last thing a defender should do against him is go into the challenge early, which is where he would change direction and beat you for fun. That can easily give KM an early lead.
On the other hand, Scirea who has enough experience of playing against Maradona at his peak and did reasonably well, and in fact kept him out on a few occasions, one of which I remember very clearly. If Sammer drops back and helps out Gerets in taking care of Cruyff as Gerets alone might just get beaten a few times by the Dutchman, but if Sammer is there to cover him, with Scirea cutting off Maradona, it is at least a better proposition than Cannavaro, Blanc and Luis Enrique! against Ronaldo and Messi with Nedved darting forward from midfield.
It was more or less a 4-4-2 with Nedved on the left wing and Robben on the right wing with Messi and Ronaldo through the middle and Sammer and Busquets in midfield.
Let's not get into all that again!
I played him further forward last time. Now he's in his natural position.
@Anto. KM started with both Messi & Robben out on the right.
AldoRaine & Brwned seem to be knocking my team again but this time around it's for having too many brilliant players! Incredible. Shall I drop Cruyff, Maradona & Garrincha next time?
Too many cooks spoil the broth.
He's got a point Aldo. It's fair enough voicing concerns, an entirely different ballgame to engage in propaganda.
Leave them to it.
But the effectiveness of that balanced, evenly-spread front 4 is that each player is still having a lot of influence in the game without the ball. If Maradona drifts towards Cruyff and they start to link up, Garrincha's presence becomes a serious problem. There'll be pressure on Breitner to come across and support his CBs, but if he leaves Garrincha in any sort of space Maradona is supremely capable of either lifting a simple ball over the top into the space, or sliding one inside of Breitner. Either way, Garrincha is clean through on the right wing and capable of doing instant damage.
Like Thisistheone says, it's a United-esque approach, keeping the pitch as wide as possible regardless of where the ball is, and it suits Maradona wonderfully, because of his oft-overlooked range of passing. Whichever winger he drifts towards and links up with, the longer ball - through or lofted - will always still be on to the other winger or towards Weah, and that change of scale and pace was something he often used to make quick goals.
It's incredible how's got a 6 vote lead with such poor full backs!
More than Sammer? I think they were pulling your leg! Also your not playing 532 yet...
I can see why you changed it now, you were offering nothing in central midfield.
Let's not get into all that again!
I played him further forward last time. Now he's in his natural position.
@Anto. KM started with both Messi & Robben out on the right.
AldoRaine & Brwned seem to be knocking my team again but this time around it's for having too many brilliant players! Incredible. Shall I drop Cruyff, Maradona & Garrincha next time?
Probably Garrincha. You shouldn't because as I told KM, he's gonna get you more votes than anyone else in position. But in a real game, we can see that his influence would be much less than it would be in a scenario where he would be given the freedom with the ball to take as many attempts as he wants. Some others have raised their doubts over Cruyff as well, saying he wouldn't bother to turn up if he is not the main man, I don't really think he would create as much an issue as Garrincha would given he was still a good team player and both him and Maradona can balance things out in terms of directness and creativity, which goes out of proportion with Garrincha in there. Don't get me wrong, he is obviously capable of putting the ball in the net with a single chance but then KM's defense is not exactly amateur and can certainly deny him a fair number of times and given he would be getting a few opportunities to take on them, it really reduces his impact which is a shame.
For me thithistone easily wins this. The attacking quartet is incredible.
Or conversely, Breitner can camp over Garrincha with Sammer dropping in to help out that left side as I mentioned in my last post, I think that is a more likely scenario.
fecks sakes. Im losing. Doesnt help that I'm a bit too high right now.
My last change.
My last change.
Has Nedved ever played as a CM?
Let's not get into all that again!
I played him further forward last time. Now he's in his natural position.
@Anto. KM started with both Messi & Robben out on the right.
AldoRaine & Brwned seem to be knocking my team again but this time around it's for having too many brilliant players! Incredible. Shall I drop Cruyff, Maradona & Garrincha next time?
I somewhat disagree with them. Your side does have some glaring issues, as does KMs, so i will sit it out and see what you guys do.
That said, I can clearly see how your team will transition to attack while KMs star men look completely stranded up there. Agree with Fergus, Boszik out must have been a "voter knowledge" call, but the wrong one.
Uruguyuan dude off for Bozsik.
He's got a point Aldo. It's fair enough voicing concerns, an entirely different ballgame to engage in propaganda.
Leave them to it.
In fact that video actually had Ronaldo missing a penalty, probably Thisistheone should have watched it before telling me I am favouring KM.
Anyway, it was not a regular "watch how awesome the player is" video but simply a couple of incidents between the players involved in the game. I don't expect anyone to believe every word I say so I have to make sure that my point is valid through an easy evidence if I have it, which is what it was really.
But in this instance the system in which Thisistheone's front 4 are lined up seems to really suit all of them. Whereas I still can't see Messi and Ronaldo suiting each other quite that well. Messi has outgrown that wide forward position, he's always going to be slightly limited as anything other than the focal point of the attack. But Ronaldo is the archetypal 'focal point of the attack'.
Ideally you'd either have another Schiaffino type - two schemers to make Ronaldo the sole goal threat and provide him with a feckload of chances - or an Henry-esque pacey wide forward with an instant goal-threat, who would force the defence to divide their attentions between a properly wide goal threat and a properly central one, giving Schiaffino and the midfield their choice of assists. In the current formation, Messi is awkwardly in between those two options, and I'm not sure it would bring the best out of him.
EDIT: You've made changes, so... ignore all of the above
I don't agree. My midfield is very important and also Weah.
You keep ignoring Weah mate. He's there for a reason.
And whether Garrincha has the ball less often than in '62, he's playing with better players, being fed my Maradona and it only takes one moment of magic.
Games like this could just come down to that one special moment, so who better than Maradona, Garrincha or Cruyff?
He could play my granny there, you are way too narrow and your "wide strategy" was nonsense to begin with. That's exactly what I meant about focusing on building a side rather than collecting stars. Messi and Ronaldo will do no damage without proper service. As it stands, all he has to do is shut out Nedved. True, Busquets' passing is underrated, but not enough to keep any sort of sustained pressure.
Edit: hadn't seen changes
Subs to take on board what a few said about Luis Enrique and Lahm
One of the best ever has turned into "the Uruguayan dude"
I agree you needed Boszic more though.
Well I can see what you mean there, and i have been acknowledging the "magic" factor with Maradona and Cruyff combining. I just don't think you would be getting Garrincha's best form here, given the free spirit he was and couldn't be arse about what others are doing as long as he can get the ball and do whatever the feck he wants with it, and that is not happening with el Diego pulling the strings.
Anyway, this point has been blown out of proportion a bit, as I said in my last post only that Garrincha can finish the game in a few minutes given he is up for it. My bigger concern is your defense and I see his defense holding it's own much better than yours, given the type of players you have who particularly against a player like Messi can dig their own grave. And Luis Enrique at fullback in a game of this quality also doesn't go down really well.
One of the best ever has turned into "the Uruguayan dude"
I agree you needed Boszic more though.
Sorry mate. His name is tough to spell!
Was just fibbing anyway!
I'm playing against a sweeper system again!
See Fergus' son match up for why a sweeper system is not ideal in the modern game against a pure no.9 like Weah.
Sammer & Scirea are clashing also.
See Fergus' son match up for why a sweeper system is not ideal in the modern game against a pure no.9 like Weah.
Sammer & Scirea are clashing also.
fecks sakes. Im losing. Doesnt help that I'm a bit too high right now.
My last change.
Breitner for Busquets in the centre would so much more of an improvement but this is good. I suppose Breitner would be useful as LWB even more so than Lizarazu and Busquets is intelligent defensively anyway.
Subs to take on board what a few said about Luis Enrique and Lahm
Not ideal that you don't have the option of taking off Garrincha for Luis enrique later in the game(when those who take the tactical aspects of the game generally vote) now.
People not really knowing how Coluna plays seems like a issue for you, imnot too sure on the type of player he was either really at his best.
Personally I think this is KMs to lose now...
Sensible change there bringing Irwin on.
Madness.
What are 3 sweepers doing together at the back?
Bobby Charlton will be coming on later against tired legs.
And you are high, I know
I feel I'm being upstaged by KM in the cool rankings. He's there on the touch line in a suit and tie, puffing away and I'm there red in the face jumping up and down in my tracksuit.
I feel I'm being upstaged by KM in the cool rankings. He's there on the touch line in a suit and tie, puffing away and I'm there red in the face jumping up and down in my tracksuit.
Make sure you keep Maradona away from him!
I reckon Fergus lost for other reasons, not purely the sweeper system per se.
Wrong decision to sub off Luis Enrique. He could play anywhere, he played in a World Cup as a left back for Spain FFS. He was fine considering he wasn't facing an out and out top quality winger.
You also lost the option of deploying him elsewhere. Manic stuff IMO.
His peak was 3-4 games? Eh? We're taking the entire tournament as his peak - when of course his peak was really in Brazil - and he was dealt with by Popluhar. His peak isn't just when he played well, we're not assuming every player on the pitch is on their A-game. Some setups don't allow that - setups with too many individuals in it. Is it a coincidence that Garrincha suddenly sparked into life in that tournament came when Pelé was left out of the team due to injury? Of course not. Garrincha was a well-known ball-hogger so he relished being the only star attacker. In '58 the only way they could fit him and Pelé into the team was by playing Zagallo - a sort of Zé Roberto type with loads of intelligence and a great engine - to balance things out.
Brazil have had your issue loads of times - how do we fit in all our star attackers into one lineup? The vast majority of the time they've won anything it's been with a Zagallo, Mazinho, Kléberson/Gilberto in there to balance things out and there have been some catastrophes ('82, '06) when they've tried to pack them all in.
IMO, that was a load of bollcks anyway!
Anyway, his is far more affective because all of Messi, Ronaldo and Nedved can work the flanks too, I struggled because i was solely relying on Krol and Zanetti. His full backs can stay at home and keep the defence solid if the situation calls for it.
Yes, the voting suggests that!
Indeed.
Scirea is an equally good CB as he is a sweeper? I did wonder too though..
Seriously lads I ain't your little errand boy, I'm not making 5 changes a game. If I come back from work and I've got more shit to do....well, you can all go feck yourselves.