KM said:
KM said:
Team KM
Team Thisistheone
Team Thisistheone
Thisistheone said:
All-time Fantasy Draft - KM v Thisistheone
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Luis Enrique wasn't a fully fledged right back, was he?
I'm not sure how he would cope up with Breitner and Nedved.
I'm not sure how he would cope up with Breitner and Nedved.
Sorry Thisistheone, but I really can't see your defense cope up with KM's attack.
Really surprised to see Robben in there. Him and Messi both on the right wing?
Seems a lack of balance. Glad I started with Coluna instead of Charlton now.
Seems a lack of balance. Glad I started with Coluna instead of Charlton now.
Blanc & Cannavaro know Ronaldo inside out. They can stop him.
On the flip side, how does he stop Weah, Cruyff, Maradona & Garrincha? Out of interest
Well knowing inside out means feck all. OShea knows C. Ronaldo inside out, I know who I'll back in one on one!
Point is, it's a help rather than being up against an unknown. Always easier to stop someone who you know well.
There's only one ball on the pitch and Garrincha, Maradona and Cruyff will all want to hog it for long periods. Two of them in there was passable but I don't see three of them working together at all. You're having at least one passenger in attack and two in defence and your defence is already over-worked as it is. Plus Gerets and Breitner are doing a much better job on Cruyff/Garrincha than Blanc and Cannavaro are on Ronaldo/Messi.
Despite all those issues it looks to me like KM's surrendered control of the midfield which stops him from stealing my early vote.
Despite all those issues it looks to me like KM's surrendered control of the midfield which stops him from stealing my early vote.
Thisistheone's team is definitely better balanced for me but then KM has Ronaldo and Messi who are 2 of the best attackers in the draft. Mind you as far as I know both need to be the main man up top, Messi in particular. But its hard to look past those to in my opinion, also not sure about Enrique at fullback, always thought of him as a midfielder
Coluna & Bremner are bossing the midfield. And I don't agree about his fullbacks dealing better with Cryuff & Garrincha. Who has ever dealt well with a prime Garrincha? No one.
Busquets/Sammer vs Bremner/Coluna is surely not so one sided!
No surprise Cal voted against me btw. He hates Luis Ronaldo and Messi 
I really don't get why Robben is playing? Everything he's doing on the right, Messi is doing better. He's really offering nothing to your team, imo. Oh and Lahm is the perfect fullback to take him out of the game. Robben won't have any impact in this game. He's a waste of space here. I can't believe Thisistheone gets away with Lahm again. He's probably the weakest defender left in the draft but he's perfect in this game.
I can sub him out Ofcourse!
@ Balu, again Lahm fits the particular match. Luckily for me.
It's surprising how many match-ups I have. Lahm also knows Robben well of course. And Nedved being a serie a player at Juventus means Cannavaro also knows his strengths and weaknesses.
Where as KM's team have no inside knowledge of my attackers.
Popluhar is also a weak link.Stands out like a sore thumb.
And his left side of the pitch is wide open with Nedved there. Garrincha is having a field day.
It's surprising how many match-ups I have. Lahm also knows Robben well of course. And Nedved being a serie a player at Juventus means Cannavaro also knows his strengths and weaknesses.
Where as KM's team have no inside knowledge of my attackers.
Popluhar is also a weak link.Stands out like a sore thumb.
And his left side of the pitch is wide open with Nedved there. Garrincha is having a field day.
Early sub. Subbed Robben off, puts Messi in that place but also closer to the goal and Juan Alberto Schiffiano as the inside forward.
Nedved goes back as the part of the midfield three to give me more control.
Nedved goes back as the part of the midfield three to give me more control.
Well if you take '62 as Garrincha's peak all you need to do is look at the group stages and see how they limped through the first two games before Garrincha really turned it on. Popluhar was part of the Czech defence that stopped Brazil from scoring in fact - the only team in the tournament to do so. Stands out like a sore thumb indeed!
Maradona's doing loads of the midfield stuff Messi isn't, he's 3v2 in there.
Yes, of course. Don't rush things, though. Not sure if everyone agrees with me. You could explain what roles Messi and Robben are playing with Ronaldo upfront?
Is that how you're lining up KM? The graphic isn't too clear. I saw it as Messi playing behind Ronaldo in a sort of 4-2-3-1.
No I was playing a 4-2-2-2 and I've changed it now. Let's see how Lahm does it against Messi and Gerets with Garrincha offering him no support!
Yeah, so Garrincha's peak wasn't the group stages but the knock-outs where he really hit his stride. Popluhar is also a sweeper, same as Scirea. They don't go well together.
There's not just Ronaldo, but Ronaldo and Messi. I agree to an extent with Balu that playing Robben is really tough to understand here, as not only is he going to be stopped by Lahm but also his selfishness and wastefulness would frustrate the rest of the team. Besides that, Ronaldo, Messi and Nedved against Canna, Blanc and Luis Enrique is going simply one way. Can see plenty of errors and disarray in that back four.
On the other hand, Gerets and Breitner are both top class fullbacks who can really do a job on your wingers. Gerets did handle a young Maradona if I am not wrong and Cruyff was dealt really well in the WC final by Berti Vogts, so it is not impossible that Cruyff may have a tough time against Gerets although one on one the Dutchman is the favourite. Breitner against Garrincha is tough, one on one with the ball again I'd say Garrincha would be the favourite, but as you already have Maradona and Cruyff in the team, Garrincha will not be taking him on again and again, and a lot of teams he will be needed to make runs and latch on to Maradona's passes, which is where I think Breitner can do a job on him but intercepting those passes.
Agree with Brwned that it is an overkill of three players who are used to having everything go through them in the team. Maradona gives his best when the whole team has him as the focal point, and that is going to really push Garrincha into a state of frustration. I don't see that much of an issue with Cruyff actually, and in fact him and Maradona would have some beautiful interplay between them and that is a partnership that might work, but Garrincha in there is just waiting for the ball and hence useless for long parts of the game.
Back to your question, overall his back 4 is superior to yours IMO. Both the CB pair and the fullbacks while you are really taking a massive risk by putting Luis Enrique to deal with Nedved who was plain unstoppable at his prime. Nedved, Messi and Ronaldo are three players who don't need more than a second to get the shot away, and I really don't see you defenders quickly closing them down to avoid that.
Let's be honest, there's a bit of a difference between oshea and Cannavaro so his example doesn't work.
I'm sorry thisistheone, but just because a defender knows an attacker inside out doesn't mean he'll stop him!
Your full backs btw are shit. Lahm(as a German and Bayern Munich fan puts it is one of the weakest defenders in the draft), Luis Enrique wasn't a proper full back for feck's sake.
Your full backs btw are shit. Lahm(as a German and Bayern Munich fan puts it is one of the weakest defenders in the draft), Luis Enrique wasn't a proper full back for feck's sake.
Besides if we're going into that there was shitloads of difference between the Real Madrid's Ronaldo and Inter Milan's Ronaldo(which was his peak) so by that logic Ronaldo will absolute annihilate Cannavaro.
Yeah, I wanted him to explain it. Don't know why he instantly changed the formation. Though even with Messi playing behind Ronaldo I don't think Robben will have much of the ball or have anyone working for him to create space in the center of the pitch. Robben had his best season with Müller running a lot without the ball to create open space for him. No one is doing that here. Robben on the left is a great traditional winger, but on the right, he needs space and the ball at his feet. Won't happen with Messi playing in the same area, imo.
I like the new formation better.
@ Aldo, you haven't mentioned Weah.
Anyway, you miss a point about Garrincha and Cruyff. KM will have to double up on either or else their full back one-on-one is in big trouble, therefore it creates extra space for my other players. Classic Utd tactics really, stretching the game, making the pitch as wide as possible.
Anyway, you miss a point about Garrincha and Cruyff. KM will have to double up on either or else their full back one-on-one is in big trouble, therefore it creates extra space for my other players. Classic Utd tactics really, stretching the game, making the pitch as wide as possible.
Forget Cannavaro, the best of the generation like Nesta and Maldini could not stop the Fenomeno at his peak. Cannavaro's blood and thunder approach against two of the trickiest forwards out there without much of a calming presence in there can lead to disaster. Then there is Luis Enrique!
Bit of a recap, people seem to have forgotten what this man was at his peak.
Bit of a recap, people seem to have forgotten what this man was at his peak.
Oh feck off, how on earth am I 4 votes down already?
I wouldn't have much hopes on the voting if I were you. That trio is virtually unbeatable voting wise.
Am I playing against you Aldo? Why are you posting video's?
If you want to post video's then post one of Maradona
If you want to post video's then post one of Maradona
Shit is a bit over the top
. I actually think Lahm as a right back is underrated, as a left back he's in trouble when going against a traditional winger and won't provide width going forward. The way you line up, Lahm isn't a problem, at all. I actually can see him doing a great job on Messi out wide. Messi will terrorize the center backs more than Lahm.So which Cannavarro are we using here Thisistheone?
The Real Madrid one which played with Ronaldo at real and was slow and cumbersome and which you've used in tactic description or the Inter one?
Yeah I didn't, but then I also didn't mention Sammer who would be frequently dropping into defense and Busquets as a lone DM wouldn't have much of a problem. Busquets' accurate reading of the game and tactical awareness can be useful in cutting of part of Maradona's supply.
As for doubling up on Garrincha, that again brings us back to the same point that will Garrincha have the ball enough? It is really clear that one of those three are going to miss the ball for a long time in the game, and given Cruyff's teamwork, Maradona will prefer to get him more into the game than Garrincha knowing he won't be getting the ball back. As I said as long as you are working down the left with Maradona and Cruyff combining and pulling off a completely unpredictable array of passes it is fine, but as long as Garrincha is without the ball, his influence in the game would be close to null and Breitner would be comfortable in looking after him.
I will when I have to counter something KM has said which would better through a video.
I'm no expert on Coluna but is he not unusually deep here? I thought he was an inside forward or attacking midfielder?
How did KM start? Was Robben where Schiaffino is?
Some suicidal decisions in this one.
Enrique at RB seems odd to me.
Busquets instead of Sammer or Bozsik is terrible, probably done to win votes but it's probably lost mine.
I'd get rid of Busquets, put on Bozsik, the let Sammer sweep up and Breitner and Gerets can provide the width with Messi and Ronaldo as a front two.
Might abstain from voting completely in this one!
Enrique at RB seems odd to me.
Busquets instead of Sammer or Bozsik is terrible, probably done to win votes but it's probably lost mine.
I'd get rid of Busquets, put on Bozsik, the let Sammer sweep up and Breitner and Gerets can provide the width with Messi and Ronaldo as a front two.
Might abstain from voting completely in this one!
Nah Nedved and Robben on wings with Ronaldo and Messi in the center.