Ronaldo is not a legend. We know that, he knows that. What we and him know that he has the ability to go on and become a legend. But to do that you have to sacrifice yourself to your club. None of this Sparky half and half rubbish. So if he wants to go and play for Madrid, go now. If you want to stay here forever and become a United legend, stay here for the majority of your career. But dont wishy washy around it. Either give us your everything, or give Real it.
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Yep.
was Zidane not a legend then?........
Not for United
Why should it?
So what you are saying is we judge our legends on a different criteria then the rest of the world?
The most important thing is loyalty, application etc ?
Some people look at achivements
Zidane isn't a united legend no, but it doesn't stop him being a legend for what he achieved in the game.
While he was playing i had an appriciation for what he achieved. I never called him a legend but now he's stopped looking back he was. it's simple
But Ronaldo is 23. Zidane was not on the radar at that age.
The most important thing is loyalty, application etc ?
Some people look at achivements
Zidane isn't a united legend no, but it doesn't stop him being a legend for what he achieved in the game.
While he was playing i had an appriciation for what he achieved. I never called him a legend but now he's stopped looking back he was. it's simple
But Ronaldo is 23. Zidane was not on the radar at that age.
I wonder exactly the same.
Manchester United have stated that the superstar is not for sale, but it is believed that there would be little the Premier League champions could do should he state his desire to leave.
At Camp Nou, the current regime face a vote of no confidence and if the club members support that in a forthcoming referendum then elections will be held.
Rosell, the former Blaugrana vice-president and Joan Laporta's running mate in 2003, is already considered to be a favourite should that happen and he could woo the voters with the promise of landing Ronaldo.
According to Marca, the man who wil certainly run in 2010 to be president of Barça, should elections not happen this year, has several aces up his sleeve.
One key factor is Rosell's close friendship with Ronaldo's agent, Jorge Mendes, who he knows well from various previous deals, including the one that took Deco to Camp Nou.
If he were to win this summer, with September a likely date, then the new man at the helm would look to install current Portugal boss Luiz Felipe Scolari as coach at Barça when his contract expires with the national team.
Ronaldo is known to have a great relationship with the Brazilian and his influence in the deal could be huge because the pair work very well together at international level.
A third, and equally important element, is Nike. Rosell was the head of the sportswear company's operation in South America and has many contacts and connections still with the organisation.
They would push Ronaldo to join Barcelona and play in their kit, rather than to move to Real Madrid, who are sponsored by Adidas.
All this hypothetical, but Ramon Calderón must be hoping that Joan Laporta manages to retain his position at the Catalan giants to avoid having to take both Rosell and Sir Alex Ferguson.
Steve Michaels, Goal.com
if if IF ...he did leave....i rather see him end up at barca...
At Camp Nou, the current regime face a vote of no confidence and if the club members support that in a forthcoming referendum then elections will be held.
Rosell, the former Blaugrana vice-president and Joan Laporta's running mate in 2003, is already considered to be a favourite should that happen and he could woo the voters with the promise of landing Ronaldo.
According to Marca, the man who wil certainly run in 2010 to be president of Barça, should elections not happen this year, has several aces up his sleeve.
One key factor is Rosell's close friendship with Ronaldo's agent, Jorge Mendes, who he knows well from various previous deals, including the one that took Deco to Camp Nou.
If he were to win this summer, with September a likely date, then the new man at the helm would look to install current Portugal boss Luiz Felipe Scolari as coach at Barça when his contract expires with the national team.
Ronaldo is known to have a great relationship with the Brazilian and his influence in the deal could be huge because the pair work very well together at international level.
A third, and equally important element, is Nike. Rosell was the head of the sportswear company's operation in South America and has many contacts and connections still with the organisation.
They would push Ronaldo to join Barcelona and play in their kit, rather than to move to Real Madrid, who are sponsored by Adidas.
All this hypothetical, but Ramon Calderón must be hoping that Joan Laporta manages to retain his position at the Catalan giants to avoid having to take both Rosell and Sir Alex Ferguson.
Steve Michaels, Goal.com
if if IF ...he did leave....i rather see him end up at barca...
Look it's like this.
Ronaldo = (potentially) legendary footballer. Does this = United legend?
No. Not on it's own, it's not enough.
And yes we probably do judge our legends differently to other clubs, why would this be surprising?
Because treatment of the supporters, love for the club, loyalty, valueing what the supporters have done for you and how the club staff have helped you progress is all part of being a legend..
That's why the likes of Sir Bobby Charlton, Denis Law, Eric Cantona, Roy Keane, George Best, Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes, Ole Solskjaer are held in such high regards with the supporters....
Eric had arrogance that Ronaldo has, except Eric always paid tribute to the supporters and Manchester United meant a lot to him...
"When I think Football, I think Manchester United.." - Eric Cantona..
Ability is just ONE of the factors that contributes to legendary status at a football club, at least at Manchester United Football Club..there's a lot more to being a legend than JUST ability.
Spot on mate.
Weither you like it or not his record of 44 for a winger is in the record books, as is the fact he scored in the champions league final etc
I think the point is you sit there and say no he's not. I can look at what he's achieved and think he's very close if not already but not be keen to say it because there are people like you that won't budge an inch when it comes to beliefs or even acknowledging what he's achieved in the five years thanks to himself, the supporters, coaches etc
Having said that as i said i also wouldn't be keen to do it not because I don't believe ultimately he's close but because he's still only 23 and if he never achieved anything ever again, it would be disappointing.
The fact people believe this side can go on to be the greatest united side is because of the potential and belief we have in the boy.
Skimmed the half dozen pages that you've produced since 4am, hmm.
Let me see...
Somebody said that they woudl nto be surprised if there was no announcement at all and he simply turns up for training in July as if nothing whatever had occurred. And if so that's just fine.
Well i am not sure if it is actually, with all that has happened we'd probably still needt o make a statement as a club. Not jsut for the supporters but also to reassure any transfer targets we may be chasing. It is safe to say that some players will be swayed by Ronaldo's being here, or not , as the case may turn out to be.
Another thing and though this is not wholly original i am going to make the tpoint again.
A few of you who are adopting a cautious, optimsitic, or wait and see approach, whatever it is. You are saying that you'll not form any judgements till Ronaldo's announcement.
Well isn't that in itself damaging, even if this finishes in our favour as i still just about believe. I mean we may as well all put on our glad rags and head on down to the O2 Arena for "The Most Magnificent Ronaldo Announcement Ceremony", eh?
Did Beckham even ever dictate to fans and management so?
We may end up the victors in keeping him, but we will still hae lost to some extent.
Let me see...
Somebody said that they woudl nto be surprised if there was no announcement at all and he simply turns up for training in July as if nothing whatever had occurred. And if so that's just fine.
Well i am not sure if it is actually, with all that has happened we'd probably still needt o make a statement as a club. Not jsut for the supporters but also to reassure any transfer targets we may be chasing. It is safe to say that some players will be swayed by Ronaldo's being here, or not , as the case may turn out to be.
Another thing and though this is not wholly original i am going to make the tpoint again.
A few of you who are adopting a cautious, optimsitic, or wait and see approach, whatever it is. You are saying that you'll not form any judgements till Ronaldo's announcement.
Well isn't that in itself damaging, even if this finishes in our favour as i still just about believe. I mean we may as well all put on our glad rags and head on down to the O2 Arena for "The Most Magnificent Ronaldo Announcement Ceremony", eh?
Did Beckham even ever dictate to fans and management so?
We may end up the victors in keeping him, but we will still hae lost to some extent.
Just what a 50+ page wade-through thread needs - a 5 page off-topic discussion on what 'legend' means.
If he were to leave this summer or next, how will he be remembered by United fans?
As a great player? Yes, no doubt.
As a cnut? Yes, no doubt.
As a Manchester United Football Club legend? No chance.
That's what means something, and that should end it.
If Ronaldo left but put in the performances then we would surely be resigned to it. I think most people would have expected it.
Most people don't care he's a cnut, most people just 1) don't want him to go and 2) want clarification
I mean who knows where we'll be then? Maybe we'll have five european trophies?
I think we just have to see. Look at Zidane and france. Zidane quite possibly cost france the world cup after that headbutt, but untimately it didn't break anything because of what he did for france and because of his ability.
Yes he's a cnut. Quite possiblely the cnutofallcunts
but the most important thing for me and alot of fans, is seeing out club doing well. We've heard too much speculation let's just not react everytime a story comes about that has no substance to it.I only want Ronaldo to stay so that he can pick up FIFA player of the year while still in premiership.
It's amazing how last month Ronaldo was untouchable and anyone with anything bad to say about the lad would be slated. Now alot of knives are out for him and i can't really say i blame any of the fans for doubting him now.
Anyway wasn't he supposed to say something in the next 3 days? by my calculations they must be about up.
Anyway wasn't he supposed to say something in the next 3 days? by my calculations they must be about up.
Of course he's not a legend
Shouldn't you go to a Ronaldo forum instead then?
I don't think the Portugal players are supposed to be talking to the press now.
yup. spot on.
I agreed a while ago that he's had an amazing season and its an incredibel achievement and he's a fantastic player. He can go on to achieve whatever he wants and he has the potential to go down as the one of the best ever.
That's fantastic for him but if he doesn't do it here and shows a lot more loyalty then it doesn't matter to me.
The last point is odd. The potential is in the team not in Ronaldo no matter how great a season he's had. You could say the same for Rio.
Alot of people no matter what Ronaldo has done or does, will never accept him as a legend because him leaving could be the break up of a great team.
People won't admit it but if he wasn't such an asshole, I think more people would be willing to accept that the boy is well on his way.
I'd have said the same thing whenever. That's why he wasn't in my top number 7s list in the thread a while ago and to be honest I waas surprised that so many people put him in their top three.
Either you or me is getting more confused at each post you make.
So it's because he's an arsehole that we don't want to accept that he's leaving?
Short memories.
What precisely are we waiting for Ronaldo to decide? What is going on behind the scenes? I cant believe for a moment that Man Utd are in negation with Real Madrid about a transfer so the only other thing he can be waiting for is an improvement to his contract. Simple.
On the question of him being a United legend, I would say never. His body language is always ME ME ME ME. He is a talented player but an arrogant individual, not a team player.
On the question of him being a United legend, I would say never. His body language is always ME ME ME ME. He is a talented player but an arrogant individual, not a team player.
You better believe that!
Who?!
I reckon were waiting for Ronaldo to decide. Simple as. Unfortunately Ronaldo has played himself into a position of power. I do believe United are strong on this. (hope so otherwise SAF and Gill have just lied to us) But ultimately it comes down to what the player wants. Just got to wait until he opens his mouth and utters the words 'I am staying for a long time/ I want to go to Madrid'
I really hope that is soon. I am sick of all the speculation.
trust me you are.
did I say leaving? i'll edit that. I meant legend....
agh, I mean on his way...to being a legend.....
not on his way out the doortrust me you are.
did I say leaving? i'll edit that. I meant legend....
agh, I mean on his way...to being a legend.....
Right got you now. My bad then.
Of course it does - it is in line with his "I'll stay another season" alleged quote. That will give him time to see if United is a place where he can claim international/worldwide recognition or if he has to move into the cliquey clubs to get it.
no worries. hey we might think different but we're still united fans. If no one gave a shit football wouldn't be worth watching. Let's just see what transpires first
Where is that quote?
Either way i doubt that him thinking he wont be awarded the world player of the year award because he plays for us is behind is reasoning. We are the European champions and he is the clear favourite for the award.
its clear SAF has decided we wont do business with Real....whatever Ronaldo decides....saying the player will sit in the stands if needed...
...so now it is a matter of sitting down with the player and renogiating the contract...possibly agreeing we will let him leave in a few years....
personally I think when SAF leaves in a couple of years..so will Ronaldo.
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