ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation

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BahamaRed said:
If Robinho is let go the Madrid fans will turn on Calderon full force. He's really in a spot now. "You can't keep a player that wants to be elsewhere"
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It'll be a perfect way of rounding off the summer. It's not often I say it, but - Good luck Chelsea.

And BahamaRed, I don't knw if you spotted this - it's taken from a rather damning (with regards to Ron) article at:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...d-fans-but-real-love-will-be-back-888140.html

– the Manchester United fans whose gallows humour about the loss of the world's finest player has been characterised by the Ronometer in the redcafe chatroom –
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Much as I've loved the Ronometer Bahama, with your darting background I'm suprised your original concept didn't utilise that idea in some way. Perhaps with darts gradually nearing the bull(shit) as the saga reached its must ridiculous ;)
 
Brad said:
Much as I've loved the Ronometer Bahama, with your darting background I'm suprised your original concept didn't utilise that idea in some way. Perhaps with darts gradually nearing the bull(shit) as the saga reached its must ridiculous ;)
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The saga has just begun. Chapter 1 and 2 are over.
Roll on Chapter 3.
 
Lets hope Real have a rubbish season so that even if they can afford him he doesn't want to go.
 
BahamaRed said:
Just when you thought it was safe to go to sleep........


Real Madrid battle for Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo still to be fought

As a man who has often conceded that he regards victory as a fleeting moment that immediately precedes the planning stage of the next challenge ahead, Sir Alex Ferguson will welcome Cristiano Ronaldo back to Manchester United with a plot already forming in his mind as to how to win a second battle to keep the player from Real Madrid’s clutches next summer.



By Mark Ogden
Last Updated: 12:51AM BST 08 Aug 2008

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If looks could kill: Ronaldo could invoke the Webster ruling at the end of the 2009-10 season and buy out the remaining two years of his United contract Photo: AFP


The Spanish champions are unaccustomed to suffering a bloodied nose in their annual tussles for the world’s leading footballers, but United and Ferguson have left their mark this summer by repelling Madrid’s advances for the Portuguese forward.
United have by no means delivered a knockout blow, however, and although Ronaldo will again wear the No 7 shirt when he returns from ankle surgery in the autumn, retaining the 23-year-old’s services beyond the end of this season is likely to prove an altogether more difficult task, with the unheralded 'Webster ruling’ threatening to back United into a corner.
Having committed himself to a five-year contract at Old Trafford in April 2007, Ronaldo had little hope of bullying United into submission this summer, despite his naked desire to leave for the Bernabeu.
And in such a position of strength, Ferguson and United’s chief executive, David Gill, grasped the opportunity to send out the message to Madrid that this was one transfer struggle the Spaniards were not going to win.
The balance of power will have swung firmly towards Ronaldo in a year’s time, however, with the Webster factor beginning to loom over United.
The Webster ruling, so-called as a result of Scotland defender Andy Webster invoking Article 17 of Fifa’s transfer regulations to buy out his contract at Hearts and move to Wigan in August 2006, allows players who sign contracts when they are under 28 to break those contracts unilaterally after three years, with compensation payable to the club.
Ronaldo could invoke Article 17 at the end of the 2009-10 season and buy out the remaining two years of his £120,000-per-week contract at a cost of £12.48 million, which would not seem quite so prohibitive should a signing-on fee of a similar amount be agreed with Madrid.
Facing the threat of the Webster ruling, United would have to thrash out a new contract with Ronaldo next summer to avoid the nightmare scenario of the club’s most saleable asset walking away for nothing more than the remaining value of his contract 12 months later.
United’s owners, the Glazer family, have been wholly supportive of Ferguson and Gill’s stance this summer, but the Americans would not enjoy the prospect of Ronaldo’s transfer value plunging through the floor should he set his sights on exploiting Article 17.
Despite describing Ferguson as being “like a second father to me at Manchester United’’ in his interview with the Portuguese newspaper Publico, Ronaldo again underlined the motivation behind his pursuit of a move to Madrid. He pointed to family reasons – “the chance of being an hour’s flight from my mother” – and admitted that on his arrival at United in 2003, he was “thinking about playing in England for some years and then going to play in Spain’’.

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I wrote about the Webster Ruling yesterday in this thread. It wouldn't surprise me if Mr Ogden's article was inspired by my post seeing as all the journos seem to read this thread. God I'm clever.
 
MiamiSpartan said:
I guess I have to respect him in that his statement did more to win me back than I thought a statement of his could. Probably because I expected him to issue a statement saying that the saga was all bollocks, he loves United, blah blah blah. But I suppose it is the honesty of his statements (admitting he wanted to go) that I didn't expect.

I still think he handled this dreadfully, and he's still my least favorite United player as a result. If he just would have said all that from the start (at least the parts about Madrid), no problem. But it was always a game with him. Always so vague. "I'll talk about it after Euro", "I'll talk about it in 2-3 days", "You all know what I want".

I think by the time October rolls around, this will seem like ancient news and it will be easier to cheer him on, maybe even hum Viva Ronaldo, which I thought I'd never do again. We'll see.
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Yes but I doubt he'll be quite as focussed as the last two seasons. What has happened will have affected his attitude and his game. What is clear and cannot be dismissed is that his heart is elsewhere.
 
WeWonItTwoTimes said:
I wrote about the Webster Ruling yesterday in this thread. It wouldn't surprise me if Mr Ogden's article was inspired by my post seeing as all the journos seem to read this thread. God I'm clever.
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Somethings going to have to be done about that Webster ruling, because as things stand it just doesn't work. You can't have players moving for £20-£30million, and having only served just over half a contract, leaving for 2 years wages, which would be around the £10million mark for your average very well paid player who'd probably command such a transfer fee. It either causes the transfer market to collapse, or players have to be paid ever more astronomical wages, at which point clubs have to further increase ticket prices, and people stop attending. My overly simplistic read on it anyway
 
Brad said:
Somethings going to have to be done about that Webster ruling, because as things stand it just doesn't work. You can't have players moving for £20-£30million, and having only served just over half a contract, leaving for 2 years wages, which would be around the £10million mark for your average very well paid player who'd probably command such a transfer fee. It either causes the transfer market to collapse, or players have to be paid ever more astronomical wages, at which point clubs have to further increase ticket prices, and people stop attending. My overly simplistic read on it anyway
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One possible solution is to get your most valuable players to sign a new contract every season, which would provide a barrier against the Webster ruling. However that solution would obviously be pretty tricky to carry out.

There has been talk about the top clubs in Europe agreeing not to use the Webster ruling to purchase players. I hesitate to put Newcastle in that bracket but going by turnover generated they are a top 15 European club and purchased Gutierrez from Mallorca using the Webster ruling. Mallorca are currently challenging the transfer in the courts, the outcome of which could prove significant.

I suppose you could argue that the top clubs have merely agreed to not use the Webster ruling when purchasing players from other big clubs but nevertheless I still believe that the threat and opportunity of doing a ''Webster'' drives down the price.

The amount Chelsea bid for Robinho surprised me I must say, does anyone know how long he is into his current contract? If he's only one year away from potentially doing a ''Webster'' then the fee offered by Chelsea would make a lot more sense.
 
hycool said:
Ronaldo might want to leave, and some of us might find the way he goes about doing it disrespectful to the club.

I admit I was one of those, but coming to think about it again, he never stooped to the levels of Gallas, who threatened to score own goals to force the club sell him.
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:lol:

But I think thats classy. He came out fully and went for it like a man. Unlike our slimeball cnut who has no balls.
 
In breaking news from BillyBob Towers, the confused elderly BillyBob has been on his knees for the past 24 hours, thanking God for Ronaldo's air-clearing interview published in the Guardian. However, his daughter BillyBobbette is in a less forgiving mood. "He broke my heart," lisped the 8-year-old cutie. "I've torn down all my CR7 posters and I won't be putting them back up. I won't have my head turned by any more pretty boys - give me energy, talent and 100% commitment to the club. My heart now belongs to Carlito." Legend-in-the-making Carlos Tevez was not available for comment at press time.
 
sammsky1 said:
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But I think thats classy. He came out fully and went for it like a man. Unlike our slimeball cnut who has no balls.
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So, Sammsky, if Ronnie had threatened to score own goals against us, you would have applauded him for being classy?
 
brophs said:
You're forgetting one thing. Madrid have a willingness to go into debt to buy players to appease their fans. They also have people/the council, who will look after them should their debts become too much. If they can get Ronaldo to make a proper, public attempt to move down the line, then I don't imagine the money will be an issue.

I genuinely believe they would have sacrificed someone like Robinho to get Ronaldo had that been a realistic possibility. I would bet that's one of the factors that has Robinho so unsettled at present, he may have been given the brush off while they were pursuing our player, and now he is unavailable, they want Robinho to stay.
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You can only sell and leaseback once. When that's gone, it's gone. Remember the talk of them having to sell up to 6 players? (seems a decade ago, now) To afford Ronaldo now or next year they'd have to butcher the team. Sure, they may be able to raise some, but far from all of it and they aint a particularly good risk at the moment. The Council either funding or guaranteeing is illegal. Ryanair got clobbered for that.
 
fjred said:
What dosh? Madrid aint got it this time and they won't have it next time, either. They're skint and their failure to land the famous '£500m/yr. return' on Ronaldo will make it worse. Years of 'Galacticos' have taken their toll and failure aint the best reference in business. Calderon played his infantile cards and lost by promising Ronaldo a 'massive' bid and then relying on him to ask for a transfer and get him cheap. He's a total cnut, a failure and he's gone. Sad, eh? Fergie let him dig his hole and let him fall in it. Fortunately, he didn't allow Ronaldo to fall in with him.
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Absolutely right.
 
brophs said:
You're forgetting one thing. Madrid have a willingness to go into debt to buy players to appease their fans. They also have people/the council, who will look after them should their debts become too much. If they can get Ronaldo to make a proper, public attempt to move down the line, then I don't imagine the money will be an issue.

I genuinely believe they would have sacrificed someone like Robinho to get Ronaldo had that been a realistic possibility. I would bet that's one of the factors that has Robinho so unsettled at present, he may have been given the brush off while they were pursuing our player, and now he is unavailable, they want Robinho to stay.
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If money had been no object a bid would have materialised. And they wouldn't have been in such a dire situation they had to sell such a valuable asset as their own trianing ground and facilities.
 
Custis, re Ronaldo

Quite good this, considering it's from Custis

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/article1529510.ece

WELL, hallelujah!

Let’s get something straight right from the off, Cristiano.

It was never your decision in the first place.

Alex Ferguson decided last year — when he handed you a new contract to send your wages soaring — that you were most definitely staying at Manchester United.

He and the club had also made that clear through a tortuous summer of stories being batted back and forth between here and Madrid.

So who on earth do you think you are? To imagine that after two good seasons in five years at Old Trafford you can stand there believing you have your and the club’s destiny in your hands.

Your words in a ‘heart-rending’ interview in a Portuguese paper yesterday stuck in the throat.

First of all you say: “If there’s one thing I’ve never been — nor do I want to be — it is ungrateful.”

Now, hang on. So Ferguson takes you to the biggest club in the world, converts you from a one-trick pony into the greatest player in the world, then you repay him by announcing you want to quit Old Trafford. Not ungrateful?

You added: “I never wanted to leave against United’s will.”

It was clear from the off United never wanted you to leave yet you led them this merry dance until realising the game was up.

So it goes on. Your commitment to the club is obvious because you have bought a big house in Alderley Edge. You were having that built at the start of the year.

Ferguson has — as ever — tried to defend you, despite this summer of madness. His best defence was that your head was turned by the money on offer.

But then you say “. . . money isn’t everything” and add that if it was it would have been easy to stay at United.

You drivel on about what a special place United fans will always have in your heart.

Well, you might get a bit of a shock the next time you trot out at Old Trafford.

Because living in this great city I know exactly what the red half thinks of your winking antics since the European Cup was lifted.

Many United supporters are fed up with you, Ronaldo. Many wanted United just to take the cash, re-invest it and move on.

Because United fans are not brought up on fly-by-night big-time Charlies. They are brought up on legends who devote themselves heart and soul to this club. They are brought up on the stories of the Busby Babes.

And of course more recently of great servants like Roy Keane and those still plying their trade — like Paul Scholes, Gary Neville and Ryan Giggs.

Which is why there has been no popping of champagne corks.

The view of many was ‘Good — but he should never have tried to leave in the first place’.

The situation can be seen as a victory for Ferguson and for clubs against the increasing strength of player power.

Yet I wonder if we will see the real Ronaldo again in a red shirt.

Let us not forget all this is likely to start again in a year’s time.

For, while saying you are staying, you also made it very clear you wanted to go to Real Madrid and still do.

So, with that in mind, how can you really commit yourself to the United cause? After two titles and a European Cup you claimed that in five years at the club you had won everything there was to win. You tack on, of course, your host of personal honours.

Can you imagine someone like Keane or Neville saying this?

Or Giggs, who has 10 title medals and so many others that he needs a reinforced sideboard to hold them all?

The reason United have been so dominant in the last 15 years is because players like them won a medal and immediately forgot about it, setting their sights on the next target.

Keane was the heartbeat of this club for a decade. A United hero.

The club thought he could not be replaced but Ferguson has found a way of rejigging the team to fill the void left by the Irishman. Because no matter how good the players are, Fergie always finds a way to replace them.

He only lets players go if he thinks it is best for the club.

And he has kept you only because he thinks it is best for the club.

Not for him or you — but the club.

Privately he probably wants to stick you in the stand.

You whine: “The Press writes terrible things about me.”

So terrible you were pictured reading it all as your ego forced you on to the pages of this and other papers this summer.

Like the fans, the Press who cover this club are brought up watching legends.

And, Ronaldo, you will never be one of them.



Good article, pretty much sums up my feelings about Ronaldo
 
TBH, i couldnt care less. If ronaldo wanted to go, then let him go. It's not like he's a fan of the club.

Lets say hypothetically, you were a footballer playing at real madrid/barca/milan whatever. United came calling for you, and as a united fan, won't you jump at the chance of moving to you favourite club? I certainly would!
 
Thats the first time Cuntis has got it spot on, however, when Ronaldo bangs in his first goal wearing the shirt and the fans cheer he'll be writing what a bunch of fickle cnuts we are and should all go back to Kent.
 
BahamaRed said:
I really believed one time that he was going. Felt it was a cert.
Trying now to adjust to the fact that he's staying.
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I never for one moment doubted he would stay. He's just too valuable to the club in both football and brand terms, and SAF and the Glazers are simply not dumb enough not to recognise this fact. Furthermore, to lose this particular battle would have been to concede top dog status to the bullies over in Spain, with the atrocious ramifications of casting us in the role of feeder club to the shower of shite at the Bummerboy.

Playground bully; 'that's a very nice toy you've got there (snatches it away) -well it's MINE now!'

No thanks. The only very slight 'wobble' I had was just a few days ago when SAF made his statement about not knowing where players, especially foreign ones, would be in two weeks, never mind two years. Turns out the context was simply intended to contrast Ole's loyalty with many other players these days.

Good old SAF.
 
poisson said:
TBH, i couldnt care less. If ronaldo wanted to go, then let him go. It's not like he's a fan of the club.

Lets say hypothetically, you were a footballer playing at real madrid/barca/milan whatever. United came calling for you, and as a united fan, won't you jump at the chance of moving to you favourite club? I certainly would!
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I would.

But I would go on about it a proper way.
 
While somethings might be true in the article. I read it as a bit of dig at Ronaldo by the British press. And why o' why do they keeping mentioning the 'winking' incident?

For as long as Ronaldo is wearing a Utd shirt and giving is all, I'll support him.
 
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