Ah, thanks for that. A better translation, makes more sense.
ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation
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Ah, thanks for that. A better translation, makes more sense.
Will Ronaldo be at OT for the game against Newcastle? I presume he'll be in one of those tracksuits sat next to Neville or something (presuming Neville will be injured again, practically has a season ticket in that seat now). Should get an early indication of his reception then.
I agree with that. Maybe that is why he looked so miserable in all the pictures after that meeting with SAF. He realised it was not going to happen and that he had made a fool of himself. Maybe he will grow up now.
He does not like being injured. No player that wants to play football, likes being injured. If he had been smiling, people would have just said 'how dare he smile while all this is going on !!!!11111'
but I never saw any pictures of him looking miserable after his SAF meeting
Bahama Red - will you be able to fix the Ronometer by next summer?
Well lets see if he's smiling when he comes through the airport today. 50 paparazzi and journos waiting for him apparently. Oh and btw, its raining!!!
Did we see the updated Ronometer ?
Can only repeat myself again mate. I don`t really have a problem with him wanting to play for Madrid at some time, in other words I don`t have a problem with the truth. My problem is with the disrespectful manner he has uttered this truth, and the way he dealt with it in general.
IMO, it could all have been more quiet if he hadn`t said "I stay" in Moscow and then a couple of days later saying that he will issue a statement after the EC.
It exploded
No prob. But note that Manutd.com's translation (posted by relx, post no. 19446) perpetuates the error of translating 'alegadamente teria apresentado' as 'they had,' (allegedly made a very substantial offer to United.') instead of 'allegedly they would have presented' (a very substantial offer...)
This shows how things do indeed become lost in translation.
The wise always take care to account for this fact.
In thinking about Adebayor more I 'd say it was very different to the other three, In fact I think there was talk of Ronaldo and Real last summer as well
I'd say that Ronaldo Henry and Vieira were all in positions (as Ronaldo has said) of having attained maybe all that they could at the respective clubs and so sought fresh challenges - imo that's one of the things Ronaldo seeks
Adebayor is not the case - he's won feckall and in achievement terms there's nothing for him to have a basis on other than a financial one. I think Addebayor's is happy playing football at Arsenal but sought a huge financial kick rather than a football one
I'd say the other three saw their times at their clubs closing and wanting to start afresh somewhere else which is worse news than Adebayor because the last thing you want is a player in the side who does not want to be there which is of course the danger of keeping Ronaldo and formerly Vieira Henry
If Adebayor would rather be somewhere else I would absolutely say I would not want him anywhere near Arsenal although in thinking it through a bit more I'm not sure that is the case
He's already done enough to upset the dressing room so there's a few bridges he needs to build there imo
In respect of Ronaldo I'm far from convinced he'll be anywhere near the form of last season if he's to be kept against his will which I think he is being by Fergsun who has made a personal point of not letting him go
Not convinced of the wisdom of it myself. Great player /professional or not it's difficult to motivate yourself when your favoured dream job is waiting for you and you have to go through the motions whilst waiting for it
Massive test for Ronaldo - talk about making life hard for yourself
He was fooled by the media to think that there was an offer, although neither him, his club or his agent had heard about this offer. He then went throughout the entire summer believing in this offer, until his manager finally put him straight right?
That`s rich. Reminds me of all the Gerrard excuses after he went to Chelsea and back. The media tricked him too. If there was an offer, Real Madrid would notify his agent immediately.
Not the champions league
. Henry and Vieira that isAdebayor wanted to go. I don't think it was just financial gain, I think he just preffered to play for Barcelona or Milan and if you win nothing next season, he will probably make the same noises again. But its obvious to me that Adebayor wanted to go, so I can't understand why he lied and said he never did want to go.
People can forgive him right, left and center for all I care, but please stop with the "caught up in the media frenzy" thing. It`s naive and a bit pathetic, and none of us truely believe do we? He is a 23 year old man, with people and a club around him. Add to the fact that he probably doesn`t even read the papers. There is just no way he would get "caught up in the media" without either wanting it himself or starting it himself.
how do you know madrid didn't notify his agent though?
Well if they did, then there was an offer. And then the whole base of this discussion is gone, cause he states in the interview that Fergie told him there was no offer.
He obviously does
I don't give a sh** what has been said this summer. He is staying at United and this is fantastic!!
the question is, so what? Ronaldo stated himself he did read some of the press. The people around him, aren't automatically the right people. Let's just forget it, it's not important. We are all, with the odd exception and the odd, United fans and basically want the same thing. United to do well. That should be enough.
Nothing in life is perfect. Look at madrid. they got an unhappy player in robinho and yet deny it. Sometimes shit happens. It's not a given he'll be gone next season, but if that's the plan then we'll bring someone in
To me it sort of is, but like I said earlier, there are many different thoughts and opinions on this.
I agree that he might have the wrong people around him, and if he stated that he reads papers then I retract the part of my post where I doubt he does. Thing is though, that I don`t want to go: "Meehh, he had the wrong people around him and was caught in the hype" when I know that he is old enough to avoid that. I`m the same age as he is, and I have to take responsability for everything I say and do, he`s probably more mature than I am so so should he.
he didn't want to avoid it because he wanted to move to madrid. His family, probably friends are on at him all the time. He was talking about his mother, maybe she's gone to live back in portugal and it just puts a strain on everything. Ronaldo can be an idiot or nieve as long as he's bloody good on the pitch when he's playing for united
he didn't want to avoid it because he wanted to move to madrid. His family, probably friends are on at him all the time. He was talking about his mother, maybe she's gone to live back in portugal and it just puts a strain on everything. Ronaldo can be an idiot or nieve as long as he's bloody good on the pitch when he's playing for united
He truly is good on the pitch.
And I agree with all the rest. But he is under contract though, and signed it himself. A contract that pays him ridiculous amounts. Wanting away from it is fine, but doing it in the way he did is what I don`t appreciate.
Anyway, I can`t be arsed to discuss this anymore. We apparantly all have different opinions on this, not strange considering how long it has dragged on. I`ll end my last post on the subject by restating that I`ll still support anyone who plays for the team, whether I like them or not.
So that load of convoluted whaffle basically amounts to
"Yes, I'm happy for Adebayor to stay at Arsenal, even though I said that if I was a United fan, I would never want to see Ronaldo play for the club again"
Righto.
And you wonder why I called you a hypocrite?
10 pages back!
It imploded.
Working on a new one for next year. Upgraded and improved, complete with polemic circuitry
Why do people keep asking for the thread to be closed? There's been 10 pages of posts since I went to bed! Not a sign that the thread has died!
The thread is closed when folks stop posting in it and that doesn't look like happening in the near future.
The thread is closed when folks stop posting in it and that doesn't look like happening in the near future.
Who wants to pelt these 2 feckers with rotten eggs?
I'd prefer it was a platoon of faeces throwing howler monkeys.
Well, that's what he said himself, he could well be making an excuse but Ronaldo admits to having believed those stories. You on the other hand, are simply making assumptions and saying that he is lying. But you know what was going on in Ronaldo's mind, so you must know whether he's making excuses or telling the truth I guess.
More interesting than the Spanish press is today's A Bola print edition that has a much less formal interview with Ron, conducted at his physio's yesterday (I think), in the treatment room (not on its doorstep).
He's off the crutches, says he had a good holiday and that the recovery is going well. The reporter comments in the article that he's in a good mood (about the first time I've heard anyone in the Portuguese press say that in the last two months). It also says he's off to Holland today but may be carrying on treatment with Gaspar again after that - so don't read too much into what flight he gets from Amsterdam!
He expects to be back playing for United (he called us United? - when talking Portuguese? - very suspicious that) in October - better than ever.
After that "playing for United" comment, the reporter asked him to confirm where he'd be playing. "There's been a lot of talk but that's over now. I'm staying in Manchester."
The interviewer was asked to keep that under wraps until the full interview with Publico came out.
He's off the crutches, says he had a good holiday
and that the recovery is going well. The reporter comments in the article that he's in a good mood (about the first time I've heard anyone in the Portuguese press say that in the last two months). It also says he's off to Holland today but may be carrying on treatment with Gaspar again after that - so don't read too much into what flight he gets from Amsterdam! He expects to be back playing for United (he called us United? - when talking Portuguese? - very suspicious that) in October - better than ever.
After that "playing for United" comment, the reporter asked him to confirm where he'd be playing. "There's been a lot of talk but that's over now. I'm staying in Manchester."
The interviewer was asked to keep that under wraps until the full interview with Publico came out.
More interesting than the Spanish press is today's A Bola print edition that has a much less formal interview with Ron, conducted at his physio's yesterday (I think), in the treatment room (not on its doorstep).
He's off the crutches, says he had a good holiday
He expects to be back playing for United (he called us United? - when talking Portuguese? - very suspicious that) in October - better than ever.
After that "playing for United" comment, the reporter asked him to confirm where he'd be playing. "There's been a lot of talk but that's over now. I'm staying in Manchester."
The interviewer was asked to keep that under wraps until the full interview with Publico came out.
SAF must have known about the interview being made public on Wednesday. Thats why he said 'its over' on Tuesday. I wonder how much imput there was from our Public Relations Dept.
he didn't want to avoid it because he wanted to move to madrid. His family, probably friends are on at him all the time. He was talking about his mother, maybe she's gone to live back in portugal and it just puts a strain on everything. Ronaldo can be an idiot or nieve as long as he's bloody good on the pitch when he's playing for united
Ronaldo's mother has a mansion in Madeira, an apartment in Sintra (Portugal) and her own quarters in Ronaldo's pad in Alderley Edge. If she wants to spend time with her son its up to her to make the effort, as most other parents do.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/aug/07/manchesterunited.ronaldo2
July 12
Resentment mounts. In a poll on United fan website Redcafe only 11% of supporters say he should not be sold
'kin muppets
July 12
Resentment mounts. In a poll on United fan website Redcafe only 11% of supporters say he should not be sold
'kin muppets
So that load of convoluted whaffle basically amounts to
"Yes, I'm happy for Adebayor to stay at Arsenal, even though I said that if I was a United fan, I would never want to see Ronaldo play for the club again"
Righto.
And you wonder why I called you a hypocrite?
Do not put words in my mouth - I'll write my own thanks
I did not say "Yes, I'm happy for Adebayor to stay at Arsenal, even though I said that if I was a United fan, I would never want to see Ronaldo play for the club again"
Wrongo.
That "convoluted whaffle" explains in detail exactly why Ronaldo Henry and Vieira are in distinctly different scenarios than Adebayor
I said if Adebayor did not want to stay I would not want him anywhere near us
I am not convinced upon further thought that he wanted to go for any other reason than to hike up his cash
The other players clearly wanted to go
Just because your first assumption about my forgetting to list Adebayor was stupid for which you apologised you're still trying to make something of this that is not there
Stop being a fking tool
Jopub your first post was spot on but hten you went on to ruin it with your normal blinkered way of seeing things, how is there a difference between the 3 cases you mentioned?
Ronni, Viera, Adebayour and Henry wanted out... assuming their reasons for wanting out and trying to pigeonhole them is pointless as we don't know them and don't conclusively know why they all want out apart from the fact that they all do want out.
Maybe Ade and Ronnie are happy to stay on now, maybe they aren't but their cases are identicle and for you to say 'as a united fan I would...' and then contradict that in your next post is just, well... typical Jopub.
Ronni, Viera, Adebayour and Henry wanted out... assuming their reasons for wanting out and trying to pigeonhole them is pointless as we don't know them and don't conclusively know why they all want out apart from the fact that they all do want out.
Maybe Ade and Ronnie are happy to stay on now, maybe they aren't but their cases are identicle and for you to say 'as a united fan I would...' and then contradict that in your next post is just, well... typical Jopub.
He's off the crutches, says he had a good holiday
Skim reading I thought at first that said Glaston...
Jopub your first post was spot on but hten you went on to ruin it with your normal blinkered way of seeing things, how is there a difference between the 3 cases you mentioned?
Ronni, Viera, Adebayour and Henry wanted out... assuming their reasons for wanting out and trying to pigeonhole them is pointless as we don't know them and don't conclusively know why they all want out apart from the fact that they all do want out.
Maybe Ade and Ronnie are happy to stay on now, maybe they aren't but their cases are identicle and for you to say 'as a united fan I would...' and then contradict that in your next post is just, well... typical Jopub.
Well it seems obvious to me that Adebayor has no "I've done enough here I'll move on" aspect - his reasons for wanting to go are imo obvious - he wanted to hike up the cash
I s'pose you could say ultimately he's fecked us around so he's a cvnt etc etc but I don't feel he wanted to actually go for anything other than getting his wages up on a par befitting the top strikers around at the moment
I'd question wether his heart is no longer in Arsenal at the moment whereas it's pretty clear to me that Vieira Henry and now Ronaldo's hearts were elsewhere - as Vieira's and Henry's performances proved in both their last two years with us
Course I could be wrong but that seems quite clear to me
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