should have let him go...i think the only reason we haven't is because Real have been twats and Fergie's a stubborn bugger, he'll be worth half as much next year and i really don't want tto see him in a red shirt again, cutting our noses off to spite our face...unless Real weren't willing to cough up mega money, which seems possible...
ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation
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Real Madrid will think long and hard before embarking upon another exercize leading to public humiliation believe me. They may never be the same again. Their giddy bubble of puffed-up vanity has just burst in Calderon's face.
Fool! It's his family members who've driven this, not him alone. Greed is, how shall I put this? scarcely uncommon amongst former peasants, emerging from a life of grinding toil into an unexpected world of glamour and riches.
Paranoia is an ugly sight to behold..
how pathetic the scousers wish him a long-term injury
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=224572.360
http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=224572.360
yeh these scouser supporters are really classy
Perhaps we should wish upon them that they should live in a grim, crime-ridden ghetto of a city, doomed to support a club whose most obvious feature is the display of serial failure. Oh, wait...
Surely this thread is put to bed with the recent comments from both SAF and Ronaldo. Reopen it next summer!
Why should you be interested? Even a feature such as the Guardian interview, through which shines quality and probity, you seek to smear with the tactics of Alastair Campbell? So examining choice morsels from the Spanish gutter-press is scarcely going to seem any different to you is it?
No, we simply find that people like you are ignorant.
50 goals this season please. Go out in style.
The damage is done as far as i am concerned, regardless of what he says or how many goals he scores.
Unlikely.
I reckon an average season from him, and we'll sell him for cut-price to Madrid.
I reckon an average season from him, and we'll sell him for cut-price to Madrid.
Many people never look deeper than the headlines and its very easy to judge and condemn
I cannot categorically refute that statement. You can read me like a book. Obviously nothing or no words are going to change the way I now see Ronaldo.
The reason why I want articles in those papers translated is that I want to know how they have taken to the realisation over who exactly calls the shots. And it is not Ronaldo
Yes if someone did that it would be nice.
OK, since you've been good; (From this morning's lead story in 'Marca';
MY INTENTION WAS THAT UNITED WOULD AGREE TO SELL ME TO MADRID, BUT. ..”
Cristiano Ronaldo announces that will continue in Manchester;
The dream of Real Madrid to sign Cristiano Ronaldo this campaign has broken itself. In the last days the possibility had been cooled that the Portuguese arrive at the White's Base after the refusal of Manchester United to negotiate the sale of the star. The midfield player has elected to give an interview with his country's newspaper 'Public0', to indicate that he will continue this season at Old Trafford.
In an interview that will be published this Thursday in Portugal, the player commented how he had arrived at this decision: "Ferguson listened to my arguments and I listened to his. And between the two we agree that the best for both parts was that I remain in Manchester. Therefore, I can confirm that the next season I will play for Manchester United. Before rumors arise and speculation with respect to that I am going to remain in Manchester against my will, I want to make one thing clear: anyone who affirms or says that lies. I will give my body and soul to Manchester United. I will fight to honor that shirt with the pledge and the same old dedication".
Cristiano wanted to clarify that he had tried to leave the English club, being freed of every responsibility to join Real Madrid: "I want to assume that I was the one greatly responsible for all these polemics. The leaders of Madrid do not have any fault because I was the one who declared publicly my will to go to Real Madrid. And I finished being indirectly responsible for the conflict that was produced between the two clubs".
The Portuguese insisted that his desire was to sign for the whites: "I knew that Real Madrid was interested in signing me and that would have presented a very much raised offer for me to Manchester. My intention was during a time that Manchester agreed to sell me to Real Madrid. Saying otherwise would be to deceive the people and my own conscience".
There are other stories also. I'll get to work!
Who said it was all media hype? Anybody who denied that Ronaldo was hoping we would accept a bid from Real is a fool. But I don't think there's a single poster in the thread that said that. But anyone who thinks that the vast majority of it wasn't media hype is an equally big fool.
When I was reading that Guardian article, it was almost scary how spot-on I got everything. He likes, respects and, to some some extent, loves Man Utd, so he was never going to screw us over. But he was hoping that Real put in such a massive bid that we would accept, in which case all three parties would win (in his view). The fact that it was more about playing in Spain for it's own sake and to be closer to his family, rather than the money. The 'slavery' comments being somewhat twisted. And that he will obviously give his very best when he ended up staying. It was pretty much point for point exactly what Ive maintained right from the very beginning. Not that I'm trying to mak out I'm good or anything, it was obvious to anyone who was able to keep a cool head.
There is no point speculating on how long he'll stay for, as it's depressing and no sod knows but the main thing he's staying. We will have to wait and see but by all means accept now so when it does happen you can deal with it. plus we still got Rafael 
Well, I don't even know what to say after reading that whole interview.
Cristiano Ronaldo has insisted that he only wanted to leave Manchester United because the club won the European Cup in May.
The forward brought the summer's longest-lasting saga to an end on Wednesday night by announcing he would be staying at Old Trafford for at least another season.
While Ronaldo never formally issued a transfer request or made a public statement confirming his desire to join Real Madrid, he made no secret of his wish to leave in his interview with a Portuguese newspaper this week. The likelihood remains that 2008/09 represents his farewell tour of England.
"I knew that Real Madrid were interested in signing me and that they had, allegedly, made a very substantial offer to Manchester United. For a while, I wanted Manchester to accept the offer and for me to move to Madrid. If I denied it I would be deceiving everyone, including myself. Anyone who knows me knows that it would have to be something very important for me to admit such a thing. If there's one thing I've never been - nor do I ever want to be -it is ungrateful," he explained.
"Why lie? I'm not going to be a hypocrite and say the opposite of what I think, like some others do. I said exactly what I thought: I have a dream of playing at Real and I thought it was time to move on. People can't be upset about me fulfilling a childhood dream."
Ronaldo has committed "heart and soul" to representing Manchester United in the forthcoming season but in an otherwise surprisingly verbose interview he was vague on the reasons why he had changed his mind and opted to stay. That silence will fuel the suspicion that his mind was changed for him by United's bloody-minded refusal to sell their prized asset and a deal has been reached that will allow him to leave the club in a year's time.
Ronaldo also denied that his wish to leave United for Madrid had been provoked by the riches on offer in the Spanish capital or the ego boost that a world-record transfer would confer. Instead, he insisted, it was simply a matter of being attracted to home comforts and the incentive of a brand-new challenge after inspiring United to both Premiership and Champions League glory last term.
"I never wanted to leave against Manchester United's will and I'm going to say something here that I've never told anybody: if we hadn't been European champions I probably wouldn't have even thought about going to Madrid," he said.
"After we'd won the Champions League, I felt that in five years I had helped win everything there was to win. We'd won the Premier League twice and I'd won a host of individual awards, including the best goalscorer in the Premier League, Champions League and in Europe. So I felt that maybe I needed a new challenge. I never hid the fact that I wanted to play in Spain, at Real Madrid in particular, and I thought this could be the right moment.
"My family would welcome the change. The chance of being an hour's flight from my mother was very attractive. Apart from the challenge, everyone realises that Spanish and Portuguese culture and lifestyle are more similar. Those were the reasons that made me consider the change."
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_3944183,00.html
The forward brought the summer's longest-lasting saga to an end on Wednesday night by announcing he would be staying at Old Trafford for at least another season.
While Ronaldo never formally issued a transfer request or made a public statement confirming his desire to join Real Madrid, he made no secret of his wish to leave in his interview with a Portuguese newspaper this week. The likelihood remains that 2008/09 represents his farewell tour of England.
"I knew that Real Madrid were interested in signing me and that they had, allegedly, made a very substantial offer to Manchester United. For a while, I wanted Manchester to accept the offer and for me to move to Madrid. If I denied it I would be deceiving everyone, including myself. Anyone who knows me knows that it would have to be something very important for me to admit such a thing. If there's one thing I've never been - nor do I ever want to be -it is ungrateful," he explained.
"Why lie? I'm not going to be a hypocrite and say the opposite of what I think, like some others do. I said exactly what I thought: I have a dream of playing at Real and I thought it was time to move on. People can't be upset about me fulfilling a childhood dream."
Ronaldo has committed "heart and soul" to representing Manchester United in the forthcoming season but in an otherwise surprisingly verbose interview he was vague on the reasons why he had changed his mind and opted to stay. That silence will fuel the suspicion that his mind was changed for him by United's bloody-minded refusal to sell their prized asset and a deal has been reached that will allow him to leave the club in a year's time.
Ronaldo also denied that his wish to leave United for Madrid had been provoked by the riches on offer in the Spanish capital or the ego boost that a world-record transfer would confer. Instead, he insisted, it was simply a matter of being attracted to home comforts and the incentive of a brand-new challenge after inspiring United to both Premiership and Champions League glory last term.
"I never wanted to leave against Manchester United's will and I'm going to say something here that I've never told anybody: if we hadn't been European champions I probably wouldn't have even thought about going to Madrid," he said.
"After we'd won the Champions League, I felt that in five years I had helped win everything there was to win. We'd won the Premier League twice and I'd won a host of individual awards, including the best goalscorer in the Premier League, Champions League and in Europe. So I felt that maybe I needed a new challenge. I never hid the fact that I wanted to play in Spain, at Real Madrid in particular, and I thought this could be the right moment.
"My family would welcome the change. The chance of being an hour's flight from my mother was very attractive. Apart from the challenge, everyone realises that Spanish and Portuguese culture and lifestyle are more similar. Those were the reasons that made me consider the change."
http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_3944183,00.html
He's a cnut. But he's still our cnut. Just going to have to grin and bear having the world's best player banging in goals for the European and Premiership Champions.
Strange. I am disappointed he is staying.
I know somebody raised the Webster Ruling a couple of pages back. I don't really know too much about it, but there are two points to consider:
1) Ronaldo wouldn't want to screw us over
2) The top european clubs have agreed not to use the Webster Ruling in deals between each other.
Now, this is Real we're talking about, so it wouldn't surprise me if they go back on their promise and ask Ronaldo to do it. In fact, I almost hope they do. I think that, more than anything else they can do, would start to make Ronaldo wonder what kind of club they were, and would give him second thoughts about joining them. It would also seriously piss off every other top club to unprecedented levels if they backed out of the agreement.
1) Ronaldo wouldn't want to screw us over
2) The top european clubs have agreed not to use the Webster Ruling in deals between each other.
Now, this is Real we're talking about, so it wouldn't surprise me if they go back on their promise and ask Ronaldo to do it. In fact, I almost hope they do. I think that, more than anything else they can do, would start to make Ronaldo wonder what kind of club they were, and would give him second thoughts about joining them. It would also seriously piss off every other top club to unprecedented levels if they backed out of the agreement.
Strange. I am disappointed he is staying.
well you continue to sulk then, we will get on with supporting Manchester United
At last he has actually come out and been honest. I respect him more now for being truthful.
Oh well we can put this to bed now.....Until next summer of course
Oh well we can put this to bed now.....Until next summer of course
Am still in two minds about him - I would be disappointed if fans just blindly cheered him on when he's back - as if nothing's happened...
If he's have come out with a statement similar to what Kelvin as just posted I'm sure a lot more people would have a lot more respect for him.
I have to say though, I'm glad he's staying - even if it just one more year.
I have to say though, I'm glad he's staying - even if it just one more year.
Good point, well made.
Next 'Marca' offering today;
AFTER THE FAILED INTENT OF ACQUIRING Cristiano, NOT CLEAR IF MORE REINFORCEMENTS WILL COME
Schuster: "Is a pity that he does not come"
Bernd Schuster regretted, in the press conference prior to the encounter between Real Madrid and Independent de Santa Fe the decision of Cristiano Ronaldo to continue with Manchester United: "One must respect his decision. He was free to do what he wanted and it is a pity that he will not come to us, because he is a footballer that would truly have improved this great team. But 'good' is better than nothing. We have a great team to begin an important League and to fight for all the objectives that we have. It is a decision that one must accept".
He ruled out the acquisition of Cristiano Ronaldo, and 'plan B' appears again on the scene, although the German coach did not clarify if acquisitions to the side will come other than that of Rafael van der Vaart: "I believe it is clear that we have talked mainly about the theme including Cristiano Ronaldo; if we expected a lot we could now have problems later... most importantly, with what has happened, we hope that does not come about. Little time Now remains, but we are in a tranquil situation, because we have a squad in which I have full trust. Now we have acquired Van der Vaart, and inside three months we will have Sneijder back. Now we must hold our nerve and say that we must sign as we can. Because really only players that can improve what we have can serve us and for a team like Real Madrid that is complicated"
Raúl was less equivocal at that moment, when speaking of the Portuguese player: "Cristiano already has said it all. He is not going to come, and as I have commented some days ago, with this group we can aspire to achieve all our objectives. There is so much in human as well as soccer terms in which this is a very good group and we are in good condition to fight for all. It is his decision, it has not been able to be and we must continue our way forward".
AFTER THE FAILED INTENT OF ACQUIRING Cristiano, NOT CLEAR IF MORE REINFORCEMENTS WILL COME
Schuster: "Is a pity that he does not come"
Bernd Schuster regretted, in the press conference prior to the encounter between Real Madrid and Independent de Santa Fe the decision of Cristiano Ronaldo to continue with Manchester United: "One must respect his decision. He was free to do what he wanted and it is a pity that he will not come to us, because he is a footballer that would truly have improved this great team. But 'good' is better than nothing. We have a great team to begin an important League and to fight for all the objectives that we have. It is a decision that one must accept".
He ruled out the acquisition of Cristiano Ronaldo, and 'plan B' appears again on the scene, although the German coach did not clarify if acquisitions to the side will come other than that of Rafael van der Vaart: "I believe it is clear that we have talked mainly about the theme including Cristiano Ronaldo; if we expected a lot we could now have problems later... most importantly, with what has happened, we hope that does not come about. Little time Now remains, but we are in a tranquil situation, because we have a squad in which I have full trust. Now we have acquired Van der Vaart, and inside three months we will have Sneijder back. Now we must hold our nerve and say that we must sign as we can. Because really only players that can improve what we have can serve us and for a team like Real Madrid that is complicated"
Raúl was less equivocal at that moment, when speaking of the Portuguese player: "Cristiano already has said it all. He is not going to come, and as I have commented some days ago, with this group we can aspire to achieve all our objectives. There is so much in human as well as soccer terms in which this is a very good group and we are in good condition to fight for all. It is his decision, it has not been able to be and we must continue our way forward".
More like thats what the United spin doctors told him to say!
Same here. We said the media hype had presented his desire to play for RM, and his negotiations with them, in a very bad light, and also that he was influenced by his family and by his boyhood dream.
And also let us not forget by RM's tactics. These last provoked SAF to report them to FIFA. Anyone, therefore, who continues to attempt to paint RM in a role as white as their anaemic strip blatantly ignores what SAF himself clearly thought. And that's just dumb.
fergie won his battle with madrid
You miss the point, mate. We all support United; but do we support that cnut like we used to before?
Have a go..
AS is using the interview excerpts on its website under the link, Cristiano says, "It's over"
In general, the grown-ups are retaking the asylum. To summarise the editorial comment so far: They're impressed that Ron decided to carry the can for the whole affair but they don't know if it'll save Calderon.
The general tone of the fan comments in Marca and AS can be summarised as: "You (the press) and Calderon are a bunch of liars and you're an embarassment to the club (Madrid)"
I'll grab the print versions of the papers for the next couple of days in case there's anything interesting in those.
The Spanish press in general are all still looking for secret deals - in particular the idea that United have set a price for Ron next year (a release clause in effect). But no one has found one.
To say 'oh I am disappointed
' and sit there moaning you can choose to do. Other people might not be ecstatic, but we are about to start a new season, so wallowing on what might have happened isn't going to do any good. SAF has made a decision and in him I trust
If I may interject
Clear as day Fergsun has simply said
Even if we were offered a zillion your fking staying son end of
Get used to the fact that this club is / has always been run how I want in the way I want . You'll go alright but when I say.
Now I'm having one more season out of you wether you sit in the stands, in the reserves or at home 'injured' in Portugal
If you are gonna commit yourself to actually playing some football for us for one more season and if you want the fans to show you some utterly undeserved support and a little respect you better say this which has been nicely prepared for you
At the end of the year you can feck off when I am happy to let you go and you have helped win us another title
Untill then get back to Manchester, change your fecking nappy tell everybody you love the club the fans and me and you'll get your poxy move to those Spanish cvnts
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Thats probably as close as it gets - Thats Fergsun all over - make it personal and hit him fking hard
On a personal note I would not want him anywhere near my club after this shit exactly the same as Vieira and Henry
Clear as day Fergsun has simply said
Even if we were offered a zillion your fking staying son end of
Get used to the fact that this club is / has always been run how I want in the way I want . You'll go alright but when I say.
Now I'm having one more season out of you wether you sit in the stands, in the reserves or at home 'injured' in Portugal
If you are gonna commit yourself to actually playing some football for us for one more season and if you want the fans to show you some utterly undeserved support and a little respect you better say this which has been nicely prepared for you
At the end of the year you can feck off when I am happy to let you go and you have helped win us another title
Untill then get back to Manchester, change your fecking nappy tell everybody you love the club the fans and me and you'll get your poxy move to those Spanish cvnts
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Thats probably as close as it gets - Thats Fergsun all over - make it personal and hit him fking hard
On a personal note I would not want him anywhere near my club after this shit exactly the same as Vieira and Henry
Thank you as always Jo
Fixed that for you.
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