ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation

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When Beckham was at United we earned a net revenue of £6M per annum through marketing as the player was allowed to own up his rights.

At Real Madrid its the club that holds the image rights of each and every player and shares certain percentage of the overall income with the player. Obviously they profitted more out of Beckham
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
No.

With Real Madrid as the figure head.
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You will never get it because you don't want to. The modern, Glazer-style 'brand' football is not only about winning but about the global appeal of super-stars. It is beyond debate that in recent times these don't come any bigger than Beckham and Ronaldo. You of course will persuade yourself otherwise.

What counts is what the prevailing wisdom in the boardrooms reflect. In this, Pogue and I are merely communicating facts, which alas for you, not even the wrath and ire of COAC can alter.
 
Ronaldo to become an actor exclusive.

FOOTBALLER Cristiano Ronaldo is being lined up to star in a multi-million dollar remake of the epic TV series Roots.

Producers say the star's treatment at the hands of Manchester United make him the perfect choice to portray the young African slave who is beaten by his brutal masters.

The Portuguese winger said he had been traumatised by 'outrageous' demands that he honour the £125,000 a week, legally-binding contract, which has brought him only, misery, adulation and Gemma Atkinson.

Speaking from the titanium gazebo in the rose garden of his 31-room mansion, Ronaldo said: "I feel I can relate to the suffering of African slaves.

"If anything, it is worse, because footballers cannot sing while we work, whereas they had time to develop gospel music during their 16-hours shifts before dropping dead from exhaustion."

In the series a young African boy is dragged from his homeland and shipped to America where he is forced to work in the fields by a cruel and violent plantation owner.

"The similarities are uncanny, though admittedly, the Lear Jet that flew me from Lisbon to Manchester wasn't packed with 150 other players sleeping head-to-toe."

Ronaldo also conceded that, while the slave-master in Roots administered brutal beatings, Man Utd boss Sir Alex Ferguson had nurtured his talent, lavished him with praise and turned him into one of the best footballers in the world.

"But without the freedom to do whatever I want, wherever I want, for whatever fee I want, I am exactly the same as a cotton picker forced to live in a shed, dying at the age of 32."

He added: "I know the people will love my acting. Already, in the streets, I hear many of them calling me 'Kunta'."

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport...o-to-star-in-remake-of-'roots'--200807111089/
 
ThatOldRedMagic said:
You will never get it because you don't want to. The modern, Glazer-style 'brand' football is not only about winning but about the global appeal of super-stars. It is beyond debate that in recent times these don't come any bigger than Beckham and Ronaldo. You of course will persuade yourself otherwise.

What counts is what the prevailing wisdom in the boardrooms reflect. In this, Pogue and I are merely communicating facts, which alas for you, not even the wrath and ire of COAC can alter.
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Hehe, ok

Go read some research on football and sports marketing, not only tabloid press, and then come back to me...

The bigger and more famous a club is, and the more developed the marketing of said club is, the less impact does individual players have on the revenue.

They don't come any bigger and more famous than Manchester United and Real Madrid, and both clubs have well developed marketing strategies in place and already carried out.

Of course such big clubs need star players to carry out it's marketing. Both clubs have huge stars, with or withour Ronaldo.

Unless Ronaldo's departure means a sudden reverse of on-pitch fortunes, no less tickets will be sold. No less games will be televised. No less money will come in from sponsors. Those are the three main revenue sources; match-day income, broadcating revenue and commercial deals.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Yes, but he is just part of a team full of stars and populare players, playing for possible the most famous club in the world.

Nike, AIG and the other companies sponsoring us does it for the exposure and business opportunities Manchester United give them. This exposure and business opportunities are very little dependent on one single player, more on performance, TV time etc.

Manchester United, with or without Ronaldo will still be competing for honours and hence most games (if not all) will be televised around the world.
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I acknowledged the importance of 'the team' but I reckon you downplay the appeal of the individual 'superstars' within that team. It probably reflects your outlook on football more than the financial realities IMO.
 
ThatOldRedMagic said:
Pay attention! The 'mistake' of believing that any one player CAN be worth an amount to the club's image, brand and therefore marketability far and above his 'value' to the team on the pitch or his 'value' in terms of potential transfer fee.
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And how much do they believe one player is worth in terms of the club's image, brand and marketability?

Calderon is a popularist. He will use such arguments in order to justify a large transfer fee. Remember, he doesn't own the club, and has an election to think about, hence need to make populare decisions, as well as justify them.

I am NOT saying a player has no impact. I am saying that this is usually over-estimated by tabloid press and people who read and believe it.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
I acknowledged the importance of 'the team' but I reckon you downplay the appeal of the individual 'superstars' within that team. It probably reflects your outlook on football more than the financial realities IMO.
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Not at all.

The business (marketing specifically) of sports interests me a great deal, and as a marketeer, I've digged into to it quite a lot.

Totally different to my interest in football as a sport though.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Hehe, ok

Go read some research on football and sports marketing, not only tabloid press, and then come back to me...

The bigger and more famous a club is, and the more developed the marketing of said club is, the less impact does individual players have on the revenue.

They don't come any bigger and more famous than Manchester United and Real Madrid, and both clubs have well developed marketing strategies in place and already carried out.

Of course such big clubs need star players to carry out it's marketing. Both clubs have huge stars, with or withour Ronaldo.

Unless Ronaldo's departure means a sudden reverse of on-pitch fortunes, no less tickets will be sold. No less games will be televised. No less money will come in from sponsors. Those are the three main revenue sources; match-day income, broadcating revenue and commercial deals.
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So were RM talking out of their proverbials when claiming how much extra they made because Beckham was part of their team? (500m over the duration of his contract iirc.)
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Hehe, ok

Go read some research on football and sports marketing, not only tabloid press, and then come back to me...

The bigger and more famous a club is, and the more developed the marketing of said club is, the less impact does individual players have on the revenue.

They don't come any bigger and more famous than Manchester United and Real Madrid, and both clubs have well developed marketing strategies in place and already carried out.

Of course such big clubs need star players to carry out it's marketing. Both clubs have huge stars, with or withour Ronaldo.

Unless Ronaldo's departure means a sudden reverse of on-pitch fortunes, no less tickets will be sold. No less games will be televised. No less money will come in from sponsors. Those are the three main revenue sources; match-day income, broadcating revenue and commercial deals.
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Yes, I agree with this. It's just that marketing-strategies go nowhere without the added spice of Ronaldo-appeal (for example). And the potential for milking the brand shrinks (and RM's increases) with every global star who leaves us for them.

That is why the Glazers, never mind SAF, will not countenance selling the naughty boy.
 
Unless a player becomes synomous with a club, and vice versa - sort of what which was the case with Schumacher and Ferrari, Jordan and Chicago Bulls and Tiger Woods and Golf, the individual player's impact is limited.

For huge clubs like Real madrid and United, the likelihood of that happening is minimal.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Not at all.

The business (marketing specifically) of sports interests me a great deal, and as a marketeer, I've digged into to it quite a lot.

Totally different to my interest in football as a sport though.
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I still reckon it's because you are predisposed to interpret data that way - so you value 'studies' that back up that view above others - it's a universal trait...

...but one I have overcome.

:D
 
Why is this thread still going?

Its fairly obvious for everyone to see that he aint going anywhere now
 
Feedingseagulls said:
So were RM talking out of their proverbials when claiming how much extra they made because Beckham was part of their team? (500m over the duration of his contract iirc.)
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Real were talking bullshit if they claimed that those £500m were directly attributed to Beckham, yes.

Real Madrid were, until Beckham's last season, failing with beckham at the club, and the Real management had to justify it's galactico policy.
 
ThatOldRedMagic said:
Yes, I agree with this. It's just that marketing-strategies go nowhere without the added spice of Ronaldo-appeal (for example). And the potential for milking the brand shrinks (and RM's increases) with every global star who leaves us for them.

That is why the Glazers, never mind SAF, will not countenance selling the naughty boy.
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I disagree.

I reckon Glazer, or rather his/their advisors, recognises the POSSIBILITY that United will perform worse and hence it revenue pull will take a hit, without Ronaldo, hence not wanting to sell.

If that really IS the case, i.e. not wanting to sell. I am not convinced.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
I still reckon it's because you are predisposed to interpret data that way - so you value 'studies' that back up that view above others - it's a universal trait...

...but one I have overcome.

:D
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That, or personal experience dealing and about sponsorship in e.g. F1, football and golf :)
 
Kelvin said:
Ronaldo to become an actor exclusive.

FOOTBALLER Cristiano Ronaldo is being lined up to star in a multi-million dollar remake of the epic TV series Roots.

Producers say the star's treatment at the hands of Manchester United make him the perfect choice to portray the young African slave who is beaten by his brutal masters.

The Portuguese winger said he had been traumatised by 'outrageous' demands that he honour the £125,000 a week, legally-binding contract, which has brought him only, misery, adulation and Gemma Atkinson.

Speaking from the titanium gazebo in the rose garden of his 31-room mansion, Ronaldo said: "I feel I can relate to the suffering of African slaves.

"If anything, it is worse, because footballers cannot sing while we work, whereas they had time to develop gospel music during their 16-hours shifts before dropping dead from exhaustion."

In the series a young African boy is dragged from his homeland and shipped to America where he is forced to work in the fields by a cruel and violent plantation owner.

"The similarities are uncanny, though admittedly, the Lear Jet that flew me from Lisbon to Manchester wasn't packed with 150 other players sleeping head-to-toe."

Ronaldo also conceded that, while the slave-master in Roots administered brutal beatings, Man Utd boss Sir Alex Ferguson had nurtured his talent, lavished him with praise and turned him into one of the best footballers in the world.

"But without the freedom to do whatever I want, wherever I want, for whatever fee I want, I am exactly the same as a cotton picker forced to live in a shed, dying at the age of 32."

He added: "I know the people will love my acting. Already, in the streets, I hear many of them calling me 'Kunta'."

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport...o-to-star-in-remake-of-'roots'--200807111089/
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:lol:
 
Feedingseagulls said:
You're conflating 2 different issues: the length of time it took to issue a rebuttal, and the accuracy of the portrayal of his remarks.

You maintain that because it took him a few days to isssue a rebuttal it must have been a reasonable portrayal - but there really isn't any justification for this conclusion.

Ronaldo wasn't appearing in the press much at that point - so he claimed he was misrepresented relatively quickly.

It is therefore still relevant to ask to what exactly Ronaldo believed he was agreeing. Remember that this is probably the only actual c*ntish remark directly attributed to him throughout the whole summer so it becomes rather important.

As someone criticising Blatter pointed out (elsewhere), if he had intended to refer to African players being exploited with lousy contracts in Europe when they didn't realise the relative costs of living he'd have been bang on the money. Who knows with what variant of 'player power' Ronaldo felt he was agreeing - unless we know the questions he actually heard?
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He doesn't need to appear in the press to issue a statement. He doesn't need to do anything more than answer the phone calls that I'm sure he received from Nike, Mendes, his publicists, etc. All that needs to happen is for ond of those representatives of his to send out a press release stating that his statements were misinterpreted. This happens ALL the time. Like I said, when a celebrity puts his or her foot in their mouth, their PR team is usually issuing a clarifying statement within a day, if not within hours.

When you're a marketing image like Ronaldo is, you act quickly to preserve that image....unless he was not misinterpreted at all.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
I disagree.

I reckon Glazer, or rather his/their advisors, recognises the POSSIBILITY that United will perform worse and hence it revenue pull will take a hit, without Ronaldo, hence not wanting to sell.

If that really IS the case, i.e. not wanting to sell. I am not convinced.
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You disagreeing with my agreeing I think you'll agree is disagreeable. Little do you know how little I know about the little you know. If only I knew a little about the little you know I'd know a little more.

I'm off to bed. Night all.
 
MiamiSpartan said:
He doesn't need to appear in the press to issue a statement. He doesn't need to do anything more than answer the phone calls that I'm sure he received from Nike, Mendes, his publicists, etc. All that needs to happen is for ond of those representatives of his to send out a press release stating that his statements were misinterpreted. This happens ALL the time. Like I said, when a celebrity puts his or her foot in their mouth, their Page Ranking team is usually issuing a clarifying statement within a day, if not within hours.

When you're a marketing image like Ronaldo is, you act quickly to preserve that image....unless he was not misinterpreted at all.
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I'd be VERY surprised if Ronaldo has a P-R team. He has an agent/agency, who will benefit greatly if Ronaldo make a big money move to another club.

Ronaldo's utterings will have no impact on his commercial deals.
 
MiamiSpartan said:
He doesn't need to appear in the press to issue a statement. He doesn't need to do anything more than answer the phone calls that I'm sure he received from Nike, Mendes, his publicists, etc. All that needs to happen is for ond of those representatives of his to send out a press release stating that his statements were misinterpreted. This happens ALL the time. Like I said, when a celebrity puts his or her foot in their mouth, their Page Ranking team is usually issuing a clarifying statement within a day, if not within hours.

When you're a marketing image like Ronaldo is, you act quickly to preserve that image....unless he was not misinterpreted at all.
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Except he'd made something of a point about not commenting except when doorstepped.

Once again I ask - does the delay necessarily mean that the worst case interpretations of what he said were true - as opposed to the better ones he may have seen. Does it invalidate the basic need to always know the actual question to which the respondent replies in order to evaluate the answer fairly?

Unless people have already decided the person's character and views before they have even spoken.
 
I don't follow the financial aspects of the club with much interest, but surely last few years financial accounts should give us some clues if Ronaldo has had such a significant impact revenue wise.
 
Whne is Ronaldo back in England...surely its soon if he's not back already?
 
Sultan said:
I don't follow the financial aspects of the club with much interest, but surely last few years financial accounts should give us some clues if Ronaldo has had such a significant impact revenue wise.
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Almost impossible to figure out.

To make an estimate, you have to figure out:

1) How much extra merchandise do we sell because of Ronaldo
2) How much of our revenue is based on success
3) How much of our success is directly down to Ronaldo

Three questions which no one can answer.

What we do know is that OT would sell out with or without Ronaldo, and we could figure out how much we would get from braodcasting as a minimum if we were unsuccessful.
 
So he should be with the team for wednesdays game with Juve (in the stands obviously)
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
Almost impossible to figure out.

To make an estimate, you have to figure out:

1) How much extra merchandise do we sell because of Ronaldo
2) How much of our revenue is based on success
3) How much of our success is directly down to Ronaldo

Three questions which no one can answer.

What we do know is that OT would sell out with or without Ronaldo, and we could figure out how much we would get from braodcasting as a minimum if we were unsuccessful.
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I am sure the people in the accounts department can tell you answer to all three questions.

accounts have summary of who selled most shirts, how much come from endorsements, Also they can calculate season's success based on appearance and the results we have achieved.

Trust me this is why they get paid big bucks, to evaluate assets, calculating resale values.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
He seems to believe they can provide some sort of an answer to 1 & 2 - he's ignoring 3 I reckon.

Silly - intangibles are the most fun!
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2 and 3 go hand in hand, and number one is impossible to answer, unless you ask the fans whether they would have bought merchandise if it wasnæt for Ronaldo.

Just because someone buy an United shirt and put Ronaldo 7 on the back doesn't mean he would not have bought an United shirt if Ronaldo was playing for another club.
 
hotshot2004 said:
I am sure the people in the accounts department can tell you answer to all three questions.

accounts have summary of who selled most shirts, how much come from endorsements, Also they can calculate season's success based on appearance and the results we have achieved.

Trust me this is why they get paid big bucks, to evaluate assets, calculating resale values.
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What are you jibbering on about?

For a kick off, as far as I'm aware the megastore is run by Nike.

Maybe these big bucks accountants could phone round JJB sports to ask the knuckle draggers which letters they've pressed onto chav shirts the most and evaluate from there.
 
CnutOfAllCnuts said:
2 and 3 go hand in hand, and number one is impossible to answer, unless you ask the fans whether they would have bought merchandise if it wasnæt for Ronaldo.

Just because someone buy an United shirt and put Ronaldo 7 on the back doesn't mean he would not have bought an United shirt if Ronaldo was playing for another club.
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I think the claim would be: Whilst it is impossible to give totally accurate figures for 2 & 3 they may be able to give comparative figures for different periods that give an indication of the various effects given different circumstances.

Eg. how much more do we tend to get after winning than losing a major trophy? how much more does Ronaldo shift than other 'favourites' & how have our total sales increased?

Taken together they could provide partial answers I suspect.
 
Feedingseagulls said:
I think the claim would be: Whilst it is impossible to give totally accurate figures for 2 & 3 they may be able to give comparative figures for different periods that give an indication of the various effects given different circumstances.

Eg. how much more do we tend to get after winning than losing a major trophy? how much more does Ronaldo shift than other 'favourites' & how have our total sales increased?

Taken together they could provide partial answers I suspect.
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All just very vague guestimates
 
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