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I kept out of this one until now as I wanted to be sure it was not just muck raking by the papers. Ronaldo is under contract with United for the forseebale future so the ball is firmly in Fergies Court. He will do what is right for the club as he always has.

It's not the end of the world if he does go, He will be a loss as many have been in the past but United always bounce back.
 
What goes on in this guys head?

Look, I've "known" Ronaldo will want to leave us for a while! I even felt after goal against Chelsea it may be his last for us. I just cannot work out what going on in his head, how can he leave the portugeze/brazilian culture there thats been created for him, his relationship with Rooney and Queiroz?

I have postulated about why things like this happen, my theory being that he probably grew up following Real (being the largest team in his area) like we did with United and no matter how big and successful United are and become Real Madrid are going to be his dream boyhood team!

It has to be the only reason he is prepared to shun the infrastructure created for him at the club, the friendships he will leave behind and the adoration of the fans. Rationale doesn't exist when it comes to boyhood dreams I suppose. How many of us would defect to United in a heartbeat if we were ever in the position?

This isn't an excuse for him, I am bitterly disappointed in his public declaration, but Im just trying to deal with why he is doing it!

The United fan in me is always going to say no player before club is bigger, but as a fan and like the rest of you I will have to deal with the disappointment of losing a player like him.

So where do we move on from here? Is Messi the obvious response? Would he leave us for a boyhood dream in the future or is he off a different mindsight and mentality to Ronaldo?

There are many questions still left resolved, I as a fan can only be happy to know that we will be ready and willing to take it to Newcastle on the first day of the season with or without Ronaldo! Whatever is going on in his head I hope for his sake he knows what he is doing!
 
fergieisold said:
So because he is a football player we shouldn't believe him? are we not to believe anything a football player says ever again?

Sure he could be lying but what kind of response from a fan is to dismiss the lads idea that it's a dream to play for us? what a load of bollocks
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Did you not read the response someone posted with Ronaldo's comments when he first joined us? Its what everyone says.
 
jasonrh said:
Ronaldo has by no means covered himself in glory, but I still believe much of this crap is totally made up.
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The word I'd use is spun. Ronaldo says one thing and it gets taken out of context. He gets asked leading questions and so on. Some of his comments have been fairly balanced. He wants to leave but recognises that it takes a lot more than that for a transfer to take place. He probably doesn't completely trust Madrid to come up with a number so big that United will accept.

I think over the next month or so, I suspect we will see Ronaldo's agent come up with a phrase that hedges his bets so that he can continue at United if a deal does not take place.

jasonrh said:
I do believe he is now seriously heavily flirting big time with Real and would prefer to go there believing that he would actually get 3x the money as well as a chance to play for his boyhood club and a huge payday for his agent (remember, new UEFA rules mean renegotiations within a club mean no agent's fee) ............

I feel he may very well have begun this as a means to negotiate with United (hence the "I stay" at the CL Final),
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He wants to play for Real Madrid. It's perfectly natural and understandable and I doubt much has changed on that score since he joined United. But now they want him and he feels he has to take this opportunity.

I don't buy the renegotiate his contract line. I think he genuinely wants to move now but he doesn't know whether a deal is possible. Some of his quotes do indicate the sense that he may want a move but it may not happen because Madrid may not be able to persuade United to sell.

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I also believe that he's not got the guts to get in a room with Ferguson - when he did that last time he suddenly had the mental strength to stick around in 2006 after previously saying he didn't know if he could stay. He does love Ferguson like a grandfather and Quieroz as a father and I think he's scared shitless of facing them. I even think he loves Sir Bobby like an Uncle in his own way - even with his documented shitfaced behaviour at the media day for Munich in January. He's just not a very nice human being.
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What he says to Sir Alex doesn't really matter. It isn't his call to make. We sell or we don't. I think most people recognise his desires.
All Sir Alex and Carlos need to do is to say to Ronaldo that they too love him, value his contribution and aren't prepared to let him go.

Come the start of the season, or the beginning of September, Ronaldo will get on with his job, just like everyone else does. He won't throw a year long tantrum. But I doubt he'll extend his deal with United. He'll run it down and at some point he'll go.

Most of us will have done things that on reflection we wish we hadn't. Times when we said or did things that were totally inappropriate because we just didn't get the significance of what was taking place. So journalists have an example of Ronaldo being a prick; so what? I'm a nice guy but I'm sure there are plenty of cases of me being an even bigger idiot that Ronaldo was in that instance.

jasonrh said:
And I still believe that with FOUR YEARS on the contract he is still 80% likely to stay for up to two more years and still leave for 40-50m pounds (two years left on a deal for a 25 year old is a LOT), by which time we will be able to have prepared for his departure...............

There is no way we have a backup plan for Ronaldo at this stage or even have considered one at this stage - and he's so good it will take a year at least start to get one into place.
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I think you're right. The deal will not happen this summer and I'm not even sure it will happen next summer. I would bet it will happen at the point that Sir Alex retires.

Partly it is a brand issue, partly it is about Sir Alex, partly it is about the team and the opportunity that exists if Ronaldo stays. Losing the best player in the world is not a good move for your brand nor for your chances of winning the Champions League. This is a battle of strength that will tell us a lot about Sir Alex, about the Glazers, about Real Madrid and Manchester United. Anyone who thinks Ronaldo will leave because that's what he wants are completly missing the big picture. Read the statements coming out of Old Trafford; this move is not happening this summer, or else United look very, very weak.

If Bayern Munich can keep Owen Hargreaves for an extra year when United are offering £17m then I think United shouldn't have much difficulty keeping Ronaldo for an extra season or two.

The way the team is set up is to maximise the impact of Ronaldo. It used to be designed for Ruud. But now it is all about getting Cristiano in position so he can hurt sides. Take him out of the line-up and we have big problems.

Do we need to go back to a Ruud type line-up with supply lines for a central striker or do we continue with a fluid forward line? Do we attempt to turn Nani into a 15 goal a season player or should he look to be a provider?

I agree with you that this is a year long process that involves both the identifying and buying of players but also the development of the talents within our current squad. Can certain players learn to hurt opponents in the penalty box? Nani being the obvious case of a player with huge potential but can he score simple goals as well as fantastic strikes?


jasonrh said:
We don't have to worship him to acknowledge his gigantic importance to our current squad and the fact that he can not be replaced.

Before we have him shot, lets see what happens in the coming 70 days.

Viva Ronaldo! I can't help but love the little feck like an errant child.
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Ronaldo's a great footballer and I want to see him play out his contract at United. At the end of it I would have no problem with him walking out on a free. More realistically, I'd take two more years.

I don't quite understand why fans expect players to be loyal. I mean we buy most of our side from other teams and we expect them to walk out on clubs that have put a lot of time and effort into their development. Rooney effectively forced Everton to sell with his behaviour but that's ok because he joined us. Hargreaves likewise made it fairly clear that he wanted to leave Bayern.
 
jasonrh said:
Contrary to all of the evidence of this thread, you've been mentioning how "us matchgoers" feel differently and more passionately than OOTers since about page 10.

That's tittish behaviour, and I call it as I see it.
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Prove it!

Besides the post which kicked off this debate between us, I have no Idea what you are talking about.

To do anything else would not befit my status as a moderator, an elder on the forum, or as a lawyer and would be an insult to the forum itself.

There have been plenty of long termers and/or locals (see Spoony for one) who have been cautious and put the lie to your constant bilge about there being a difference in passion and opinion between match goers and those on the internet.
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That, I cannot argue with, we just have differing ways of Moderating.

I'm not worried about myself - I know you're not questioning me. I'm questioning your backhanded attack on them and pointing it out as pathetic.
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Back handed attack on who?

Show me a post where I attack any poster, directly or indirectly.

At this juncture I think it would be most appropriate in the interests of total honesty - which is the single most important trait for a Moderator and an elder on the forum (although not as a lawyer, to be fair) - to once again point out that your repetition of that crap is utter bullshit and an insult to quite a few folk on here.
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Repetition?

Prove where in the last 200 pages where I have undermined or ever claimed my opinion to be more correct, or have more validity because I am a 'Top Red' as you claim.

This was Spoons first post in this thread, responding to my post he quotes:

Spoonov said:
I agree. I reckon he's off. Rumours have it that he'll be offered double his United wages. . . plus he's always wanted to play in Spain. I think he's simply won everything at United and will be crowned World and European player of the year, leaving him with nothing more to achieve at Old Trafford. Personally, I think it'll be a mistake on his behalf because he's got everything at United. . .and is a part of a great team.

That said, he may never be worth as much as he's now, so from a business perspective it could be the best time to sell. Whatever Fergie says about the Glazer, they must be thinking of cashing in.

If we were to sell, I hope it wouldn't involve any Real players as a part of the deal. I don't want any of their players. Barca would've been different. . .they've got a few I'd love to have at United.
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Ronaldo's 'dream' move will net his agent £10m but Sir Alex will keep them waiting

By Bob Cass Last updated at 9:14 PM on 21st June 2008
Cristiano Ronaldo's agent, Jorge Mendes, stands to earn an astonishing £10million if he can engineer the Portugal winger's world record £70m move from Manchester United to Real Madrid.
Despite the player's declaration of his desire to leave Old Trafford, United boss Sir Alex Ferguson will refuse to be forced into showdown talks with his star player.

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I'm off: Cristiano Ronaldo, surrounded by Swiss police officers, boards the Portugal team bus

Mendes, known as 'The Octopus' because of the number of moves he has a hand in, can expect the huge commission if he clinches Ronaldo's exit from Old Trafford.
It would be the most lucrative deal of a summer in which he has already brokered Chelsea's recruitment of Luiz Felipe Scolari as manager and which promises to bring further fees for his involvement in potential deals involving Deco and Ricardo Carvalho.
When Ronaldo returns to England this week for his foot injury to be assessed, there will be no one on hand at United with the authority to deal with the issue of his desire to go to Spain. Ferguson has told friends he will not break his holiday in the South of France, while chief executive David Gill is also away, leaving Ronaldo, Mendes and Real sweating on the deal they are so keen to strike.
United remain adamant they will not sell the double Footballer of the Year, who gave the clearest indication yet that he wishes to join Real following Portugal's elimination from Euro 2008 on Thursday. Ferguson told friends: 'There is no way I'm changing my plans for anyone.'
But Real believe it is only a matter of time before United have to talk and are preparing a formal offer of just over £70m for Ronaldo, smashing the previous record of just under £50m which they paid Juventus for Zinedine Zidane in 2001. They will also propose £40m cash plus Brazil forward Robinho, who has given his consent to be a makeweight.

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Real deal: Agent Jorge Mendes

The United boss has remained silent in the face of speculation that his relationship with Ronaldo has been damaged beyond repair and intends to see out the remaining week of his holiday before entertaining any thoughts of communicating with the midfielder.
'If and when he does, he will regard it as just another piece of essential club business,' added a United source.
United and Ferguson's public stance of opposing any transfer remains, but the feeling inside Real is that the main obstacle to the deal has been removed now that Ronaldo has gone public with his wish to move to Real.
Ronaldo had said: 'It is a dream, a step forward, you can call it what you want. For me it is a great opportunity.'
Real have drawn up a shortlist of three possible homes in Madrid for Ronaldo on which he could lavish a basic salary of £150,000-perweek, plus further fortunes from his image rights.
Nani, Ronaldo's team-mate for club and country, believes his departure is inevitable saying: 'The loss of Cristiano Ronaldo will be bad news for United. In the Portugal camp, Cristiano advised us that his decision was clear and that now he will try new challenges.'
Even if a deal is not brokered soon, Ronaldo's injury makes it unlikely he will join United on their four-match African tour next month.
 
Sultan said:
This was Spoons first post in this thread, responding to my post he quotes:
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Was my gut feeling at the time, but to be honest I have sat on the fence. . .and changed my mind a few times. I thought initially that he was angling for a new contract.
 
kundalini said:
The word I'd use is spun. Ronaldo says one thing and it gets taken out of context. He gets asked leading questions and so on. Some of his comments have been fairly balanced. He wants to leave but recognises that it takes a lot more than that for a transfer to take place. He probably doesn't completely trust Madrid to come up with a number so big that United will accept.

I think over the next month or so, I suspect we will see Ronaldo's agent come up with a phrase that hedges his bets so that he can continue at United if a deal does not take place.



He wants to play for Real Madrid. It's perfectly natural and understandable and I doubt much has changed on that score since he joined United. But now they want him and he feels he has to take this opportunity.

I don't buy the renegotiate his contract line. I think he genuinely wants to move now but he doesn't know whether a deal is possible. Some of his quotes do indicate the sense that he may want a move but it may not happen because Madrid may not be able to persuade United to sell.



What he says to Sir Alex doesn't really matter. It isn't his call to make. We sell or we don't. I think most people recognise his desires.
All Sir Alex and Carlos need to do is to say to Ronaldo that they too love him, value his contribution and aren't prepared to let him go.

Come the start of the season, or the beginning of September, Ronaldo will get on with his job, just like everyone else does. He won't throw a year long tantrum. But I doubt he'll extend his deal with United. He'll run it down and at some point he'll go.

Most of us will have done things that on reflection we wish we hadn't. Times when we said or did things that were totally inappropriate because we just didn't get the significance of what was taking place. So journalists have an example of Ronaldo being a prick; so what? I'm a nice guy but I'm sure there are plenty of cases of me being an even bigger idiot that Ronaldo was in that instance.



I think you're right. The deal will not happen this summer and I'm not even sure it will happen next summer. I would bet it will happen at the point that Sir Alex retires.

Partly it is a brand issue, partly it is about Sir Alex, partly it is about the team and the opportunity that exists if Ronaldo stays. Losing the best player in the world is not a good move for your brand.

If Bayern Munich can keep Owen Hargreaves for an extra year when United are offering £17m then I think United shouldn't have much difficulty keeping Ronaldo for an extra season or two.

The way the team is set up is to maximise the impact of Ronaldo. It used to be designed for Ruud. But now it is all about getting Cristiano in position so he can hurt sides. Take him out of the line-up and we have big problems.

Do we need to go back to a Ruud type line-up with supply lines for a central striker or do we continue with a fluid forward line? Do we attempt to turn Nani into a 15 goal a season player or should he look to be a provider?

I agree with you that this is a year long process that involves both the identifying and buying of players but also the development of the talents within our current squad. Can certain players learn to hurt opponents in the penalty box? Nani being the obvious case of a player with huge potential but can he score simple goals as well as fantastic strikes?




Ronaldo's a great footballer and I want to see him play out his contract at United. At the end of it I would have no problem with him walking out on a free. More realistically, I'd take two more years.
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jasonrh said:
Some random thoughts: I'd appreciate if both sane folk and the Ronaldo cnut!!!!111!!! folk would give it a read.

Ronaldo has by no means covered himself in glory, but I still believe much of this crap is totally made up. In 2006 he said some asinine crap, but he also had tons and tons of crap attributed to him and false translations made up out of whole cloth by the English and Spanish media.

I do believe he is now seriously heavily flirting big time with Real and would prefer to go there believing that he would actually get 3x the money as well as a chance to play for his boyhood club and a huge payday for his agent (remember, new UEFA rules mean renegotiations within a club mean no agent's fee) and a lifestyle closer to that of his childhood for him and his family. He also would likely get a better image rights deal if reports of his United deal are true. You've only got a limited time to take advantage of being the BPotP

I feel he may very well have begun this as a means to negotiate with United (hence the "I stay" at the CL Final), but his ego is so wildly out of control and he has been influenced by his agent and Scolari over the last month and has come to believe that Madrid would be bigger and would thus better suit the best player in the world.

I also believe that he's not got the guts to get in a room with Ferguson - when he did that last time he suddenly had the mental strength to stick around in 2006 after previously saying he didn't know if he could stay. He does love Ferguson like a grandfather and Quieroz as a father and I think he's scared shitless of facing them. I even think he loves Sir Bobby like an Uncle in his own way - even with his documented shitfaced behaviour at the media day for Munich in January. He's just not a very nice human being.

And I still believe that with FOUR YEARS on the contract he is still 80% likely to stay for up to two more years and still leave for 40-50m pounds (two years left on a deal for a 25 year old is a LOT), by which time we will be able to have prepared for his departure.

Largely because he has such a long term deal, there is no backup plan or preparation for his departure. This is unlike with Beckham when Ole was favoured at RW for the second half of 2002/03, Stam when we purchased Laurent Blanc who Fergie repeatedly said he thought was fantastic in spite of it being obvious he was past it, or Ruud where he was basically benched for the whole of 2006 as we assaulted the league and (ahem) the League Cup

There is no way we have a backup plan for Ronaldo at this stage or even have considered one at this stage - and he's so good it will take a year at least start to get one into place. He's not a minor figure where we just pick up a bit-parter from Blackburn or a backup from Bucharest to replace.

I have often said during the whole 'we MUST MUST buy Strikerinho from FM05/06/07/08/09 crap that with Ronaldo coming good and our fluidity that we didn't need a big time front line striker. Now we might need one and might need to consider a bit of a change in style (unfortunately, because I think the fluid stuff is more dangerous) as we're sure not going to find another 30 goal winger. It will take time to shape the team around him and find the proper one.

I continue to believe Ronaldo will not leave for a year or possibly two as we prepare things to make his departure work best for all of us.

Even the most "damning" of the asinine statements attributed to him say "it is not in my hands" or words to that effect. He knows that the contract is too long term for him to force anything.

He is far too big for his intentionally-torn stone-washed designer britches. But he's also the best player on the planet with four years to run on his contract.

We don't have to worship him to acknowledge his gigantic importance to our current squad and the fact that he can not be replaced.

Before we have him shot, lets see what happens in the coming 70 days.

Viva Ronaldo! I can't help but love the little feck like an errant child.
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what do you base your opinion on?
one minute we should not listen to the bullshitting media the next ronaldo is not a very nice human being?

you should watch the docuvid called "Ronaldo,my story so far.."http://www.footytube.com/2008/03/07/cristiano-ronaldo-the-story-so-far/

i dont think he is what you think of him..
 
Spoonov said:
Whether Real have the money or not, the fact is they're not a normal club. Anything's possible. And I don;t believe for one minute he's actually worth as much as they think he is, off field. United make what, £50m profit?? that's largely down to gate receipts and TV revenue. And that will continue to grow as long as the Glazers keep increasing the ticket prices. It's been on the increase since they took over, it has nowt to do with any one player.
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Commercially Ron would mean a lot to Madrid - more, I think, than he means to United. Most of United's money still comes from the UK, and Rooney is a more popular marketing figure in the UK than Ron is. Even overseas, where Ron is the "most mobbed" player - the crowd know players like Rooney and Giggs and with a CL in the bag, we won't lose much there.

Madrid, on the other hand, have the legacy of the galactico years to deal with. Their appeal overseas is based on history - and even 5 years without a CL makes you ancient history when it comes to attracting kids. Beckham helped keep them centre stage and a lot of Madrid's commercial efforts focused on him. They've got a vacancy for a star and if the star might also help then win a CL, he's worth an awful lot to them. (Personally I think he's worth more as a footballer to us than them - but that's because I think United are worth more as a team)

He's worth more to them than they've got. Hence them not placing a bid - they're hoping for a discount
 
jojojo said:
Commercially Ron would mean a lot to Madrid - more, I think, than he means to United. Most of United's money still comes from the UK, and Rooney is a more popular marketing figure in the UK than Ron is. Even overseas, where Ron is the "most mobbed" player - the crowd know players like Rooney and Giggs and with a CL in the bag, we won't lose much there.

Madrid, on the other hand, have the legacy of the galactico years to deal with. Their appeal overseas is based on history - and even 5 years without a CL makes you ancient history when it comes to attracting kids. Beckham helped keep them centre stage and a lot of Madrid's commercial efforts focused on him. They've got a vacancy for a star and if the star might also help then win a CL, he's worth an awful lot to them. (Personally I think he's worth more as a footballer to us than them - but that's because I think United are worth more as a team)

He's worth more to them than they've got. Hence them not placing a bid - they're hoping for a discount
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Their books didn't show much increase in revenue after Becks joined. They still made less profit than United. Real raked in more revenue than us, after they negotiated a new TV deal. So, this £500m is pie in the sky. . .but people will believe it, no doubt. I think buying from United is a way of showing to the world that they are the biggest club on the planet. . . But heh, that's Real for you.
 
Rooney gr8 said:
what do you base your opinion on?
one minute we should not listen to the bullshitting media the next ronaldo is not a very nice human being?

you should watch the docuvid called "Ronaldo,my story so far.."http://www.footytube.com/2008/03/07/cristiano-ronaldo-the-story-so-far/

i dont think he is what you think of him..
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Check out the thing about the Munich survivors media day - it sadly sounds too consistent with some of his documented behaviour. I hope it isn't true though.

I do believe a great deal of this is media bullshit, and an unbelievable amount of it was made up and lied about in 2006. My wife speaks Spanish and Portuguese, and both the British and Spanish media were lying point-blank in their 'translations' of alleged print interviews.

He has also won libel damages from the Sun about stories involving cell phone usage which alleged unprofessional conduct. So the media do make up bullshit.

On the other hand, we've all seen with our own eyes him acting like a petulant little arse both on and off the pitch in the last few years. That's not behaving like a very nice person - nor is this game he's playing right now.

He's our wayward little child. It is like when you want your child to go into the family business, but he wants to be an actor or something embarrassing, and he acts rudely towards your sweet old grandmum or something. In some ways you have to acknowledge that one day he will persue his dream, but he has commitments to you that he needs to respect and he is trying to weasel out of. I love him in spite of him.

We've all watched him grow up - but we all wish he'd grow up a bit more.
 
Red tinted glass opinions from some on here.

We ripped Gerrard, and still do, having a song dedicated for his behaviour for wanting to move to Chelsea - when it's Ronaldo he's a lost child.
 
Spoonov said:
Their books didn't show much increase in revenue after Becks joined. They still made less profit than United. Real raked in more revenue than us, after they negotiated a new TV deal. So, this £500m is pie in the sky. . .but people will believe it, no doubt. I think buying from United is a way of showing to the world that they are the biggest club on the planet. . . But heh, that's Real for you.
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Most of their revenue comes from actual fans and from longterm commercial contracts, made when the club had glamour on its side. It's maintaining their value that they're worried about.

The "plan" is to buy Ron with somebody else's money so they've got to talk big and the bank (or whoever) have to pretend they believe them.
 
jasonrh said:
Check out the thing about the Munich survivors media day - it sadly sounds too consistent with some of his documented behaviour. I hope it isn't true though.

I do believe a great deal of this is media bullshit, and an unbelievable amount of it was made up and lied about in 2006. My wife speaks Spanish and Portuguese, and both the British and Spanish media were lying point-blank in their 'translations' of alleged print interviews.

He has also won libel damages from the Sun about stories involving cell phone usage which alleged unprofessional conduct. So the media do make up bullshit.

On the other hand, we've all seen with our own eyes him acting like a petulant little arse both on and off the pitch in the last few years. That's not behaving like a very nice person - nor is this game he's playing right now.

He's our wayward little child. It is like when you want your child to go into the family business, but he wants to be an actor or something embarrassing, and he acts rudely towards your sweet old grandmum or something. In some ways you have to acknowledge that one day he will persue his dream, but he has commitments to you that he needs to respect and he is trying to weasel out of. I love him in spite of him.

We've all watched him grow up - but we all wish he'd grow up a bit more.
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Sorry jason, if it sounds like a cnut and acts like a cnut then it probably is a cnut.
 
one and a half bottles of decent red wine later i have changed my mind and do think that he will still be here next year...this is SAF's dream team, his final throw of the dice, he's not gonna let anyone spoil that.

Viva Ronaldo? maybe not, but i don't think we have seen the last of him in a red shirt...
 
Ramshock said:
Look, I've "known" Ronaldo will want to leave us for a while! I even felt after goal against Chelsea it may be his last for us. I just cannot work out what going on in his head, how can he leave the portugeze/brazilian culture there thats been created for him, his relationship with Rooney and Queiroz?

I have postulated about why things like this happen, my theory being that he probably grew up following Real (being the largest team in his area) like we did with United and no matter how big and successful United are and become Real Madrid are going to be his dream boyhood team!

It has to be the only reason he is prepared to shun the infrastructure created for him at the club, the friendships he will leave behind and the adoration of the fans. Rationale doesn't exist when it comes to boyhood dreams I suppose. How many of us would defect to United in a heartbeat if we were ever in the position?

This isn't an excuse for him, I am bitterly disappointed in his public declaration, but Im just trying to deal with why he is doing it!

The United fan in me is always going to say no player before club is bigger, but as a fan and like the rest of you I will have to deal with the disappointment of losing a player like him.

So where do we move on from here? Is Messi the obvious response? Would he leave us for a boyhood dream in the future or is he off a different mindsight and mentality to Ronaldo?

There are many questions still left resolved, I as a fan can only be happy to know that we will be ready and willing to take it to Newcastle on the first day of the season with or without Ronaldo! Whatever is going on in his head I hope for his sake he knows what he is doing!
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I totally agree. I just can't fathom why a player would want to leave the european and national champions. What does he want? Surely he wants to play for the best team he can. Bizarre, but i guess footballers are hardly known for their mental ability and I'm sure his money grabbing agent isn't discouraging a move. Not to mention his obviously senile mother making matters worse.
 
jasonrh said:
Utter bilge.

Aside from you and Mrs Milton Bradley (Top Red), everyone older than your nephew was trying to wait until there was some sort of definitive word, or like Spoony was of the impression he was once again angling for another contract improvement.

Pulling out the 'Top Red' card is beneath you and pretty pathetic.
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Sultan said:
It's not about being a 'Top Red' - being more of a realist would be better way of describing my stand. If you guys did not work out his intentions from his silence then you're either very naive, burying your head in the sand, or likely in denial giving ronaldo any reasonable excuse for his despicable behavior.

Ronaldo has every right to angle to for a better deal, or a move, but there are a certain way of doing these things - usually behind closed doors with class and dignity.

As for me pulling out the 'Top Red' card is something you have in your mind, I have always thought my self fortunate to be able to watch United due to my circumstances. I am sure there are many fans around the World who have never been near Old Trafford, who I'm sure have a lot more affection for United than myself. I have helped out fans who have spent their lifetime savings just to watch one match at Old Trafford - It's the likes of them that are deserving to be called 'Top Reds'. As a matter of fact I have always marvelled at your support for United.

Finally my being a United fan does not depend on United being successful, or having Ronaldo in the team, although it makes it a lot more pleasurable.

Chill out Jason, it does not befit your status as a Moderator, an elder on the forum, and a lawyer to be calling names.
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Well said Sultan. I think Jasons attitude is quite disrespectful here. You're never too slow to play the top red card, which you utilise as a slur. This despite the fact in this instance, the two 'top reds' you refer too have probably helped overseas (or distant from OT in the UK) fans more than most on this forum attend games, and who catergorically defend the right of overseas folk to be United supporters

The simple fact is, Sultans assertion is accurate. There may be several reasons why, perhaps the local or match going fans have been supporting United/ watching football a lot longer and seen this kind of thing many times. Whatever, quite clearly it was long standing or match going supporters who first reacted in disgust at Ronaldo's behaviour. More and more have fallen into line ever since, perhaps they just needed spelt out what we could already read between the lines

My view? Some people are burrowing their heads in the sand. They don't want to believe either Ronaldo is going, or whats to go. For me, he's just another player, the latest great at OT, another will replace him the moment he leaves, the club will always be bigger than one player. I'll be supporting us if we drop to the conference, so to me what matters more is not the affect it might have on our success; rather the way players conduct themselves representing our club. I simply don't want this player at the club anymore, and while I'll support him if he wears a United shirt again, It'll be difficult for me. And it won't be like before. He's tainted his reputation
 
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Red tinted glass opinions from some on here.

We ripped Gerrard, and still do, having a song dedicated for his behaviour for wanting to move to Chelsea - when it's Ronaldo he's a lost child.
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There's a difference between Gerrard - who wanted to leave his boyhood dream for a team that was going to give him a big payday - and Ronaldo - who wanted to leave a team that has given him a big payday for his boyhood dream.

Not saying its right, just saying there is a difference.
 
Brad said:
Well said Sultan. I think Jasons attitude is quite disrespectful here. You're never too slow to play the top red card, which you utilise as a slur. This despite the fact in this instance, the two 'top reds' you refer too have probably helped overseas (or distant from OT in the UK) fans more than most on this forum attend games, and who catergorically defend the right of overseas folk to be United supporters

The simple fact is, Sultans assertion is accurate. There may be several reasons why, perhaps the local or match going fans have been supporting United/ watching football a lot longer and seen this kind of thing many times. Whatever, quite clearly it was long standing or match going supporters who first reacted in disgust at Ronaldo's behaviour. More and more have fallen into line ever since, perhaps they just needed spelt out what we could already read between the lines

My view? Some people are burrowing their heads in the sand. They don't want to believe either Ronaldo is going, or whats to go. For me, he's just another player, the latest great at OT, another will replace him the moment he leaves, the club will always be bigger than one player. I'll be supporting us if we drop to the conference, so to me what matters more is not the affect it might have on our success; rather the way players conduct themselves representing our club. I simply don't want this player at the club anymore, and while I'll support him if he wears a United shirt again, It'll be difficult for me. And it won't be like before. He's tainted his reputation
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Show me all of these locals who at the very beginning of this said he should immediately leave and he betrayed the club.

I watched the poll.

It was you, Sultan, and the videogame crowd.

The Top Red thing was used as a red herring by Sultan.
 
jasonrh said:
Show me all of these locals who at the very beginning of this said he should immediately leave and he betrayed the club.

I watched the poll.

It was you, Sultan, and the videogame crowd.

The Top Red thing was used as a red herring by Sultan.
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Even I didn't say he should immediately leave Jason, how closely have you been following this thread?

My problem is, and has always been, his attitude during the whole affair. I think he's been utterly disrespectful with his behaviour to the club, and to his manager. We simply didn't deserve to be treated like this. Since the Euro's, I'm stuggling to see how he can stay. At the same time, Madrid have to meet our price, and believe me it will be extortionate. He won't go on the cheap, and if they don't, he'll stay whatever he's said and done, simple as
 
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There's a difference between Gerrard - who wanted to leave his boyhood dream for a team that was going to give him a big payday - and Ronaldo - who wanted to leave a team that has given him a big payday for his boyhood dream.

Not saying its right, just saying there is a difference.
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There's rarely a dream team for professionals. The quicker us fans realise this fact, the less heartache we will suffer from the likes of Ronaldo.

Most are just money grabbing mercenaries.
 
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Check out the thing about the Munich survivors media day - it sadly sounds too consistent with some of his documented behaviour. I hope it isn't true though.

I do believe a great deal of this is media bullshit, and an unbelievable amount of it was made up and lied about in 2006. My wife speaks Spanish and Portuguese, and both the British and Spanish media were lying point-blank in their 'translations' of alleged print interviews.

He has also won libel damages from the Sun about stories involving cell phone usage which alleged unprofessional conduct. So the media do make up bullshit.

On the other hand, we've all seen with our own eyes him acting like a petulant little arse both on and off the pitch in the last few years. That's not behaving like a very nice person - nor is this game he's playing right now.

He's our wayward little child. It is like when you want your child to go into the family business, but he wants to be an actor or something embarrassing, and he acts rudely towards your sweet old grandmum or something. In some ways you have to acknowledge that one day he will persue his dream, but he has commitments to you that he needs to respect and he is trying to weasel out of. I love him in spite of him.

We've all watched him grow up - but we all wish he'd grow up a bit more.
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i commented on that article on here..
i dont think it was anything like that IMHO..
firstly, he seems very respectful of his elders and the media would have run such a massive story, it would have been BIG news.the media are mercyless when a derogatory headline regarding one of the most spoken about players in the uk, since the world cup, allegedly direspects the memory of the busby babes in front of sir bobby and co whilst rooney and fergie watched on..i really can not buy that..
i think hey may well be easily lead, and people have got into his head at the right time..ie euro 2008.
if you have watched the link i posted you then he is viewed from a different from what he is depicted on this thread so many times..

but i understand the fans hurt in all of this, its difficult when someone you love turns toward another, people deal with this situation in different ways..
its the same on here.. but with some much speculation flying around its understandible some people demand the facts while others react with insult and rejection..
 
If Real Madrid have been such a dream for Ronaldo, would anyone honestly believe he would play for them for less money?

Fulfilling dreams is not about financial implications.
 
Sell Ronaldo immediately and buy Arshavin with the money. It's my dream for the summer.
 
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There's a difference between Gerrard - who wanted to leave his boyhood dream for a team that was going to give him a big payday - and Ronaldo - who wanted to leave a team that has given him a big payday for his boyhood dream.
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And an even bigger payday.

If it had been his boyhood dream to play for Sporting, or Porto. or Benfica, we wouldn't be having this conversation. And it's not just the higher profile he'd have at Real as compared to those 3 Portuguese sides - the money is an absolutely essential ingredient. The most essential of all those involved? In my opinion, probably yes.
 
sell him, we move on, let him get his 'dream' I don't care, I support Man Utd, not 1 player, the team who wears the shirt on Aug 16th will get my full backing...Ronaldo or not
 
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