ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation
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Well, actually what I was trying to get through was that Ronaldo produces MAINLY against lesser teams, and less often than Ronaldinho against big teams, which I think is fair enough. I cannot think of many big games where Ronaldinho would've gone missing, but I can name plenty where he simply carried Barcelona through - two times in Madrid, once in Barcelona against Real, twice against Chelsea, twice or thrice against Milan, once against Benfica. Actually the only huge game where he disappointed I can think of is CL final, he could have done much better there.
I thought we were talking about big games. Although you could regard this game as a big one, as we would have dropped 2 points hadn't it been for him. I don't forget that game, but he wouldn't be running at defences of better teams like that, I think.
I'm not having a go at Ronaldo in any case. I'm just pointing out that Ronaldinho usually performed better in big games, and that I regard Ronaldinho as a more talented player, which I don't think is that outrageous.
My thoughts too, much more confident that Rooney would lift us in a big game. Ronaldo has never struck me as having an infectious drive to win a game that gets passed on to the rest of the team. What is more common is for him to sit on the floor and shake his head when things are going wrong for the team.
Goal against Derby where we won 1-0... goal against Birmingham where we won 1-0 etc... pressure penalty vs Everton and then there's game where he just wins and you don't take as much notice as you should. Brace against Portsmouth where we won 2-0, brace against Bolton where we won 2-0. You wouldn't realise how important that was unless he hadn't scored but it's easy to reflect on it without paying much attention because the game was won after his two goals. Face it though, we needed them goals and he delivered them. Maybe they weren't in the last minute but without them we probably wouldn't have won IMO.
I agree that Ronaldinho at his peak > Ronaldo but Ronaldo is still a match winner.
I don't really agree with you Sarni but I understand what you are staying. Ronaldo has performed at the highest level in the big matches, but just not as regularly as he should. This is as much to do with the fact that when United play these other big teams, such as Arsenal, Chelsea, Barcelona, they normally have more of the possession than United do. United seem to be as happy playing a counter attack game. This means that he has less of the ball than he normally does do against the likes of Fulham when United have 60% of the ball. None of the other players score regularly against the top clubs either.
In relation to Ronaldinho, he has of course had some quality games. He was once the best player in the world. But he has also had some awful games and is a man who is substituted regularly.
I wouldn't blame Ronaldo for Portugal's exit. He was not great at all but he certainly wasn't the worst. When it comes down to it, Ronaldo is the winger, and although he has a fantastic scoring record the onus still comes on the centre forwards to be banging in the goals.
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Ronaldo not for sale says United
Rooney is an outstanding player who has the ability to grab the match, and players, by the scruff of the neck and be an inspiration, in the same way Keano used to do. He is United's real leader on the pitch. There are very few players that have the ability to do that but Rooney can do it. That to me is his biggest attibute. That is not Ronaldo's type of game and I would not expect him to be able to do it for United.
It's Real who valued him at that. So we should be looking for a hell of a lot more than 75m. If 500m is the revenue they'll take in from signing him, then losing him for 75m and also losing the revenue that we get from him would make us the big losers in the long run. Real were stupid enough to say he was worth 500m.
Ronaldo is a better football player than Ronaldinho ever was.
I totally agree with you. Ronaldinho is a lot better against big teams. Cristiano Ronaldo needs things to be going his way to perform. One good example is the Milan games in 07/08 kaka took a piss on our makeshift defence and we where down 1-2 and who saved us from embarrasment? Rooney. Then in the second leg Milan just completely teared us a new one and ronaldo's contribution was to geta childish yellow and miss the next game. If Ronaldo is losing in the big stage he doesnt have the mentality to turn thing around.
CHAPTER 2
Ronaldo not for sale says United
Thank feck for that, I'd heard a whisper that he might be leaving.
I heard that too.Thank feck for that, I'd heard a whisper that he might be leaving.
But United aren't selling so that's that then.
Sarni, you are getting ridiculous. What kind of a support are you when you need evidence about your best player and you've won the European double? Gawd... you're muppet too.
So the point of being a supporter is not seeing things as they are?
Yes, Ronaldo was the best player in the world last season, yes, he is an amazing player.
No, he's not the best player I've ever seen, yes, I've seen a few players better than him.
What's wrong with that?
Besies Barcelona, against which big team that we have played has Ronaldo failed to score?
So the point of being a supporter is not seeing things as they are?
Yes, Ronaldo was the best player in the world last season, yes, he is an amazing player.
No, he's not the best player I've ever seen, yes, I've seen a few players better than him.
What's wrong with that?
No, you believe what the tabloids say and you want to persuade yourself that he's not that good.
It isn't so hard is it now Ronaldo? Sneijder doesnt need 3 weeks, 2 days, 1 vacation
Sneijder: I'm Staying With Madrid
Real Madrid and Netherlands midfielder Wesley Sneijder has resoundingly refuted rumours of him leaving the club, which he feels is the best in the world...
The Dutch midfielder's scintillating start to Euro 2008 coupled with rumours of a swap deal for Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo saw Sneijder linked with a move to Old Trafford, but he insists he will not be leaving the club - intimating he would only do so to go back to his hometown club, Ajax - and added he will not tolerate suggestions that he is leaving the club.
"When I left Ajax, the team of my life, I only wanted to go to Madrid, which is the best club in the world," declared the 24-year-old.
"Now that I'm here, the only thing I wish for is success, winning many titles and to be here as long as possible to defend this shirt and this shield.
"I will not consider, nor accept anyone else suggesting, that I am going to leave Madrid."
Fernando Montabon, Goal.com
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=744619
Sneijder: I'm Staying With Madrid
Real Madrid and Netherlands midfielder Wesley Sneijder has resoundingly refuted rumours of him leaving the club, which he feels is the best in the world...
The Dutch midfielder's scintillating start to Euro 2008 coupled with rumours of a swap deal for Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo saw Sneijder linked with a move to Old Trafford, but he insists he will not be leaving the club - intimating he would only do so to go back to his hometown club, Ajax - and added he will not tolerate suggestions that he is leaving the club.
"When I left Ajax, the team of my life, I only wanted to go to Madrid, which is the best club in the world," declared the 24-year-old.
"Now that I'm here, the only thing I wish for is success, winning many titles and to be here as long as possible to defend this shirt and this shield.
"I will not consider, nor accept anyone else suggesting, that I am going to leave Madrid."
Fernando Montabon, Goal.com
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=744619
I think it's more because he scores loads of goals against the average teams, but only scores an odd goal here and there against the big teams.
But sure United only score the odd goal against the big teams. People except too much of Ronaldo.
Obviously we are going to score more against weaker teams such as Fulham & Newcastle and will score less against bigger teams.
Fair play to him, class player.
yup, regardless if Sneijder leaves or not, included in some swap deal, etc this is the kind of consistency and honesty I would want from Ronaldo...
He hasn't had too many chances though, at least not this season. In fact, we were behind against very good teams for a grand total of about ten minutes while he was one the pitch. And he scored or set up 6 goals against Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Roma.
I've just said that he's the best player in the world in my view, and you tell me that I refuse to admit his class. Well, I won't say he's the best I've ever seen, if you see it that way then fair enough.
Ronaldo will be gone soon before August.
We will get cash and player(s) in return.
We are going to win a quadruple next season.
Real really getting nothing for the next few season as they can't handle Ronaldo's self esteem to being me first in freekicks, pk, dribbling all the way, apart from not backtracking for defense.
We will get cash and player(s) in return.
We are going to win a quadruple next season.
Real really getting nothing for the next few season as they can't handle Ronaldo's self esteem to being me first in freekicks, pk, dribbling all the way, apart from not backtracking for defense.
It's something we'll never get from him I'm afraid.
That's quite a statement, one I'm not sure I agree with. For several years, Ronaldinho was the fairly universally accepted best player in the game, taking over from Zidane. He didn't get a standing ovation from the Madrid supporters at the bernabau after he dismantled their side for nothing. He's sadly not that player at the current time for whatever reason - I'd put it down to lack of (football) appetite and conditioning - and Ronaldo is clearly the better of the two now. Football changes though, no saying that situation will remain. All it takes is a bad season for Ronaldo at Real (should he go, look at henry as an example of the difficulty some players have adapting), and Ronaldinho to be reborn at a new club with a fresh challenge... and as your assessment perhaps suggests, peoples short term football memories forget the previous situation!
Clearly losing him would be a huge loss in the goals department. But what happened after Ruud left? The entire team chipped in with goals. We had a point to prove then and if he's off then we'll have a point to prove now. One thing about United is once you've counted us out of it, we'll come back better than you ever thought we could be.
Ronaldinho pulled off the most ridiculous passes i've ever seen. Not seen a creative talent like him in my lifetime.
Only Zidane has had such an eye for the spectacular.
Only Zidane has had such an eye for the spectacular.
So the point of being a supporter is not seeing things as they are?
Yes, Ronaldo was the best player in the world last season, yes, he is an amazing player.
No, he's not the best player I've ever seen, yes, I've seen a few players better than him.
What's wrong with that?
I agree with you about Ronaldinho - and possibly would go as far as saying Messi is in the same boat. Ronaldinho at his best and Messi even today, when they turn it on, can have a bigger effect on the general play of a match than Ronaldo. They can impose themsleves better with their dribbling, passing and moments of magic.
Ronaldo is an impact player who is far more consistant at scoring goals. His general play actually took a step back from last season, where his general play was even better - but this season he added a simply unbelievable amount of end product for a winger. Even if he were playing as a striker, it'd have been an outstanding feat.
Ronaldinho and Messi dont have that (yet). For all their amazing and breathtaking performances, they simply cannot compete with Ronaldo's goalscoring consistancy this season.
So while he's a level below in terms of making something happen in a split of a second that will win the biggest matches, over the course of a season he's an even better player.
That performance was/is ridiculously overrated. That Real defense was no better than Newcastle's in past few season.
Ronaldinhio only also ever had two great seasons. Ronaldo has already matched those two for me and will produce more be it at United or Real.
Overall, Ronaldinhio still edges him out but it won't last.
No, which shouldn't take anything away from them because they play a different style and take different positions on the pitch. Ronaldo, even when playing on the wing, has sometimes regularly taken positions in the box that you'd expect a striker to take. A lot of his goals were poacher goals. Messi and Ronaldinho don't do that because they're not supposed so. For our formation it suited quite well, though.
But a core was there to rebuild upon. Now we would lose our most important player and a part of that core.
The core is still here.
But we are going to lose a part of it.
You answered it yourself. A core is there and we have s quad in terms of age profile that's very good. Don't worry. It is doubtful Ronaldo's going anywhere at the moment. If that changes, we'll deal with it.
Ruud became a spare part. Ronaldo is the most important part of our attack. Without him, our tactics dont quite work. We're toothless.
If we sold Ronaldo we couldnt replace him directly. We'd be able to replace his general play and assists if we signed a top quality winger like Ribery - though hes injured now so thats a no go. But someone of that quality.
But we'd have to replace other parts of the team to make up for the goals we'd miss without Ronaldo. And to do that we may have to change the way we play.
If we sold Ronaldo we couldnt replace him directly. We'd be able to replace his general play and assists if we signed a top quality winger like Ribery - though hes injured now so thats a no go. But someone of that quality.
But we'd have to replace other parts of the team to make up for the goals we'd miss without Ronaldo. And to do that we may have to change the way we play.
Ribery is shite. Hope this helps.
For me the core was Rio, Rooney and Ronaldo at that time. Look at the start of our season and you'll see why it's risky to bring in new players to replace those that have played together for years. Losing Ronaldo might lead us to a new transition period. As we now from the start of last season, it's not good enough to have a good defence but we need to have a sharp attack as well. These one-twos, the way we counter attack, the passes and the whole one touch game we play would be shattered as it was in the beginning when Tevez was brought in the team. Ronaldo is an essential, if not the most important, piece of our attack. You can't expect us to perform as well if we lose him.
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