Footballers want to play. Ronaldo's ego alone couldn't cope with him not being the star. Do you really think he wants to go down in the history books as the player who threw a year long tantrum so he could get a move to Real Madrid? How many World Footballer of the Year awards is he going to win if he acts like a spoilt brat for a year?
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Footballers want to play. Ronaldo's ego alone couldn't cope with him not being the star. Do you really think he wants to go down in the history books as the player who threw a year long tantrum so he could get a move to Real Madrid? How many World Footballer of the Year awards is he going to win if he acts like a spoilt brat for a year?
Ronaldo has played us as fans, knowing full well that once we turn against him there's no possible future for him at the club. The club can reiterate its refusal to sell, but it's spiting itself in the process.
Get rid of the ungrateful swine and buy us a new hero (or two) with the money.
Get rid of the ungrateful swine and buy us a new hero (or two) with the money.
feck it sell him for 80 million, the only way that i will be dispointed by the outcome of this scenario is if for some wanked up reason we sell him for 30 million and a bag of chips
You have added "up his wage and keep him happy". If we are prepared to match what Madrid are prepared to pay (and that's a big if) it may keep him happy for now but we're almost certainly going to go through all this again next season. Further, he won't be happy when the fans turn on him as being purely a football mercenary who doesn't really want to play for us. If Madrid come up with the cash - sell him.
sell the cnut
Sell Ronaldo, Buy Van Der Vaart.
You make valid points but I really think if we force him to stay he won't be the Ronaldo we have seen in the past. He will be demotivated and the fans will turn against him - particularly if there is a nasty and protracted battle of wits in the next few weeks.
I reckon if we do sell him, we'll get nothing like £100 million. We'll most probably get fecked for about £40 mil.
We'd have got Hargreaves 2 years ago, if Ruud had agreed to go to Bayern, instead of Madrid.
Part exchange him for Sniejder, Robinho, and Ramos thrown in for our Elizabeth.
We are either prepared to sell him or we aren't.
If we aren't the price is irrelevant. Ronaldo isn't going to lose a season or more of his "legacy" simply to piss us off and he knows that if the worst comes to the worst he can play his contract out.
If we are prepare to sell we should demand 100 mill quid cash and let Madrid squirm. We hold all the cards IMO.
Funny how people are now interpreting this interview as him being arrogant and a reason to let him go after last nights news. People who said he came across as smug and did not help appease the fans a couple of days ago were shot down as I remember.
And fecking discussed over about 5 pages already.
I've always believed he'll be playing for us until today. The latest 'quotes' to have come out and be reported of every news source suggests he's pining to join Real Madrid.
And therefore I can't see the benefit of keeping him when he clearly wants to leave. Looks like the love affair between Manchester United and Real Madrid is over. And it'll certainly hurt when I see Ronaldo playing for Madrid for the first time.
I hope I wrong.
And therefore I can't see the benefit of keeping him when he clearly wants to leave. Looks like the love affair between Manchester United and Real Madrid is over. And it'll certainly hurt when I see Ronaldo playing for Madrid for the first time.
I hope I wrong.
Guillembalague.com ...
What a site..it even has a tickets section.
What a site..it even has a tickets section.
Some people don't want to get too involved until they see concrete statements. Others of us have seen this all before and can read between the lines. In understand both camps. There comes a point where the former is just an exercise in denial though. All throughout, for me, it's not been whether he goes or not. It's been his conduct during the summer while he is still a (4 year) contracted United player. I personally think it stinks
But you're right, our support wasn't wasted. But perhaps this whole episode shows us how lucky we are to have the likes of Giggs, Scholes, Rooney etc at the club, who would never ever act like this. Now I just want this whole affair concluded, enough is enough. A straight declaration of his intentions are required, and then he has to cope with the consequences, which are out of his hands
That's not respect Weaste, that's doing what he's employed to do. A player could easily show disrespect and still perform for a club at the same time. I'd use the example of Drogba, who constantly talked of leaving last season, but still played a key role in Chelsea's failed trophy push
His current behaviour is a complete lack of respect for the supporters, given the loyalty we showed to him before he became one of the worlds best players, you'd think he could at least treat us a bit better than he is doing
Hes also the one who said Reyes never dives and that Robinho is a better player than Rooney.
Hes good mates with Benitez, wrote a biography on him, so he would obviously love Ronaldo to leave.
Two ways of looking at it. If you keep him, you have a player who wants to leave and that's bad for the dressing room morale, plus the millions of fans who've turned against him. If you sell him, a player you want to keep has been prised away by Real Madrid.
I think that's how a lot of people are looking at it. And I think I agree with them.
Actually, we are in a better position NOW to take a principled stance over it.
Before, we were absolutely REQUIRED by law to maximise shareholder profits.
We're under no such obligation now and the Glazers (disturbingly) could run us into the ground if it gave them a collective hard on to do so.
And a percentage of that will probably end up depending on what success he has with Real.
A tickets section where he states 'I have access to tickets', and he'll see what he can do!!!
Gets better, there's a section with his recommendations, where after stating the great food places he eats at in Barca and London, he only links to a Spanish property website?!
The sites amateur. However, I can't genuinely believe he'd fabricate an interview, and ruin his reputation. Ok we might not think a lot about his reputation as it is, fact is he's employed by Sky and other media agencies. His career will be in tatters in that interview doesn't turn out to be genuine
For £40M I prefer Fergie putting him on the stands.
Why is he announcing it in two days?
Is he busy?
All a publicity stunt, let him go and sunbathe at Real.
Is he busy?
All a publicity stunt, let him go and sunbathe at Real.
The HUGE difference between the Bayern thing and this is that THEY opened talks with us as they were keen to do a swap with Ruud involved.
When Ruud went to Real, at first they were willing to talk fee (and had already given us permission to speak to Hargreaves), and then suddenly they weren't.
This is totally 111% different.
Ronaldo actually has a very weak hand if you look carefully at it.
For Real Madrid to be interested, he has to be a star performer. If he plays ok but not great for a year then they will be very reluctant to pay huge money for him in case he was a one season or two season wonder at United. They will also be reluctant to pay him higher wages than their current stars.
For United to be prepared to sell Ronaldo at some stage, they will need to receive a fee so large that the United brand is not damaged by the fact that their star player has been sold to a rival. The Glazers cannot afford for United to be seen as a feeder club for Real Madrid because that will hurt the value of the brand that they intend to sell at some point in the medium term.
Let's suppose Ronaldo plays rubbish for a season in order to get his move to Madrid. Madrid offer £50m, United say we want a lot more than that or we're keeping him. Madrid say he's not the best player in the world right now so we can't pay more. United say no deal.
Ronaldo will go when Sir Alex retires. The money raised will be given to the new manager to build the team he wants.
Just picking out thie bits that actually interest me. He's been asked has there been contact from Real .. the world knows the answer to that question.. its starting to get frustrating, slowly beginning to think he may be wanting to go. (Not saying he'll be allowed to leave though). Yeah he's great player, his arrogance is amazing. We'll find more talent we always do.. and just think of the palyers we can buy with the money we get for him, think of the bargaining power we wil have with madrid, there's one or two players we could take from this.. who will certainly between them make the 40 goal tally he created on his own. Lets be honest its been said in this thread how we'd love it playing as a team (as we do) but not relying on one or two for the goals... spread 'm out again the more areas we can score from the harder we are to defend against. If we keep him great if we lose him we'll move on and spend well and still have a great season next year!!
If we have to sell ronaldo, let's sell him to Barca, that would make Real the laughing stock of the world!
Also get every club in the world together and say that 'if you sign a new player, put it in there contract that they can never leave to goto Real'.
If only this could happen.
Also get every club in the world together and say that 'if you sign a new player, put it in there contract that they can never leave to goto Real'.
If only this could happen.
He lied his arse off about Torres and Senna, and that's just for us for one summer a few years ago.
He had totally confirmed it with the player's agents, their clubs, and top level United officials. He had quotes he read on SSN from an upcoming press release explaining the financial arrangements.
We never even enquired about Torres, and never got beyond and initial "if Senna was available, how much?" phone call.
He makes things up.
Their also business men though Jase, and I'm sure they'll weigh up every option to suit their and ultimately United's best interest.
The benchmark is Zidane who went for around £47million in 2001. Once you account for inflation, the fact he has 4 years contract left, and that we don't actually want to sell... you'd seriously have to be talking something in the region of £70-£80million for the transfer to be credible in my eyes. If Madrid can't afford that, tough shit, he's staying. The player may always get what he wants (eventually) in these situations, but you still have to pay top money to get them out of contracts. And when talking about the best player in the world last season, top money is virtually fantasy money
He needs to talk to Manchester United I guess?
We need them to also do a double swap for Melissa Theuriau from French Channel M6.
I'm prepared to sacrifice Spammy as makeweight.
I don't, there's no use for a player who sits on the stands whereas £40m would come handy even in contemporary market, they'd allow us to bring a replacement AND a striker probably. The price of Ronaldo has already been dragged down with him admitting that he wants to move, it would have been different had he kept his mouth shut as Madrid would have to make a bloody effort.
There's one thing about making up rumours like that; you can always claim they were true claims at the time and the situation has changed. I'd be suprised if Ferguson wasn't interested in Torres, in fact isn't it public knowledge we were looking to buy several seasons ago but Atletico didn't want to sell?
Anyway, there's a marked difference between that and fabricating an exclusive interview with Ronaldo in these circumstances. That difference is his future employment
Guillem: When did you take that decision?
Ronaldo: Some time ago, before the Champions League final
Guillem: Is it a personal problem or sporting problem
Ronaldo: It is a personal thing. It is something I want, something I dream of.
Doesn't really add up, does it? After the champions league final he several times stated that he was going to stay at United. Most people know 'his dream', which doesn't include staying. So either Ronaldo has no integrity or truth about him whatsoever, or Guillem Balague is a wanker. In 'two days' we'll hopefully know.
Ronaldo: Some time ago, before the Champions League final
Guillem: Is it a personal problem or sporting problem
Ronaldo: It is a personal thing. It is something I want, something I dream of.
Doesn't really add up, does it? After the champions league final he several times stated that he was going to stay at United. Most people know 'his dream', which doesn't include staying. So either Ronaldo has no integrity or truth about him whatsoever, or Guillem Balague is a wanker. In 'two days' we'll hopefully know.
You don't sell yourself cheap Sarni. We hold all the cards this time, it's not like previous situations where Ruud and Beckham frankly went for less than they were worth. This time we end up milking Madrid for every penny. And if they can't afford it, that's the end of the matter
He told he wanted to stay once, after the CL final. To tell that he wanted to leave at that particular time would have been kind of foolish, and would have made him a spastic of the year probably.
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