ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation

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Brad said:
Nick 0208 Ldn sums up all that is great about this forum. He's one of the best, most sensibile and thoughtful posters; he sparks interesting debate with his threads, and he knows what he's talking about when it comes to football

Jasonrh sums up all that is shite about this forum. He talks out of his arse from one post to the next, if the heat gets too much he resorts to posting pictures of cats. He doesn't know much about football and it shows

So I see Nick and Jason are at odds. As per usual, one talks sense while the others words steam like shit...
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Jason is a very intelligent bloke. One of the most academically gifted on the caf - but both Jason, and ourselves should keep in mind we come from very different sporting cultures.

Football fans are a different breed, we are as fanatical and fundamentalist as some religious nutters. I happen to see and realise there is a distinct difference in opinions and attitudes with match going reds to those not fortunate enough to be able to watch United on a regular basis here on the caf, that's were we differ in the thought process where football is concerned, and what makes the caf so very interesting and diverse.

Jason is a statistics guy, and unusually for a lawyer a very emotional guy where Manchester United are concerned. If Jase can just tweak his posting style by avoiding sarcasm and go into direct confrontation with those he disagrees with, he would be an absolute masterclass (IMHO).

Behind the scenes as a moderator Jason is as dedicated as they come, and puts in a lot of hard work crucial in making the caf better for us all.
 
Sultan said:
Jason is a very intelligent bloke. One of the most academically gifted on the caf - but both Jason, and ourselves should keep in mind we come from very different sporting cultures.

Football fans are a different breed, we are as fanatical and fundamentalist as some religious nutters. I happen to see and realise there is a distinct difference in opinions and attitudes with match going reds to those not fortunate enough to be able to watch United on a regular basis here on the caf, that's were we differ in the thought process where football is concerned, and what makes the caf so very interesting and diverse.

Jason is a statistics guy, and unusually for a lawyer a very emotional guy where Manchester United are concerned. If Jase can just tweak his posting style by avoiding sarcasm and go into direct confrontation with those he disagrees with, he would be an absolute masterclass (IMHO).

Behind the scenes as a moderator Jason is as dedicated as they come, and puts in a lot of hard work crucial in making the caf better for us all.
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Fair balanced assessment as ever Sults. Although where you use the word tweak, I would substitute the words 'change completely'. If he's as intelligent as you say, he certainly isn't doing himself much justice on here at times

Let's hope he listens to your advice eh
 
The Sun says Real Madrid are desperate for Cristiano Ronaldo to demand a transfer as soon as Portugal’s Euro 2008 campaign ends. The Cnuts had better back off before they get in real trouble.
 
Rio: Real can forget about Ronnie

Mon 09 Jun, 09:30 AM

Rio Ferdinand says he is not that all worried that Cristiano Ronaldo will join Real Madrid as Manchester United are not a selling club.The England defender's comments come amid increasing speculation that the Portuguese wizard could be leaving Old Trafford after the Euro 2008 finals.

But Ferdinand hopes the player - whom he described as the best in the world for the past 18 months - will stay at the Red Devils and help to create history.

But, ultimately, he will back boss Sir Alex Ferguson's decision on the matter.

Asked if he was worried that Ronaldo might leave, he replied: "Not really - I don't think Manchester United are noted as a selling club really.

"I saw an interview with the manager the other day and I think we only really sell players that we want to sell and I wouldn't put Ronnie in that category.

"At the end of the day he is a Man United player and long may that continue," he said, adding he thought it was imperative that the club keeps him.

"I want him to be my team-mate because he is a fantastic footballer and that means we are going to be that bit more successful if we have got him in our ranks.

"As I said, I would love him to stay but I am not the man who makes the decisions at the club.

"So we are just like the fans really, we read the papers and listen to the TV and stuff and we'll watch this space but I'm sure he will be a Man United player next season."

After winning the Premier League and Champions League double last season, Ferdinand added on Sky Sports News: "You want to be part of history, especially at this club. To be part of a team that goes on to be successful and wins trophy after trophy would be fantastic and that is the aim - every footballer wants to be successful and win trophies, so me personally on that level, I wouldn't want to leave a winning formula."

He conceded that "Ronnie's his own man", but added: "The lads at the club really enjoy playing with him and having him around the squad - so long may that continue."

Whatever the outcome, Ferdinand says the players would be 100 per cent behind boss Ferguson.

He said: "The manager is first-class in these situations and he's had massive decisions to make in the past.

"I'll be honest with you, whatever the manager goes with I think the players will be standing 100 per cent behind him because his experience is telling obviously and when he makes a decision, invariably they are on the button so whatever he makes his mind up with, we are there behind him."

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Actually what has amazed me in this thread is how far people are going with the absence of facts. Gee really... you mean a few lads on here might disagree on what is "right"?

I can construe at least two if not three probable motivations for what is going on... but I have no knowledge of which... if any are correct.
 
BahamaRed said:
I watched Georgie thro the 60's. Had the pleasure of watching just about every game he ever played up to 68. Legend. He never fked us around. He fkd himself around.
Ronaldo's fkn us around. Big difference.
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Oh he of short memory, George turned up pissed more than once, missed training many times.

example headline:
"George Best has gone missing! The Irish international star has not reported for training at Old Trafford all week, and is dropped from Manchester U.'s team to play Wolverhampton W"


Don't get me wrong George was my hero and still the best player I have ever seen (ronaldo may take that crown if he stays) but to say he never hurt United is plain stupid.
 
RONALDO WILL DEFINITELY BE STAYING


It is absolutely ridiculous that some people are saying he's going or gone based on a few VERY dodgy quotes.

His Mum said he's staying. We saw that on TV! That is by far the most reliable thing we've heard.

He simply hasn't said it himself because he wants a new contract. I expect to hear that he signed a new deal, making him the hgihest paid player in the world, sometime in the near future.

So please stop the madness. Use your head and think it through. It's all feckin logically.
 
RedPhil1957 said:
Don't get me wrong George was my hero and still the best player I have ever seen (ronaldo may take that crown if he stays) but to say he never hurt United is plain stupid.
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Yes he did, but as I have already said George suffered from a terrible psychological addiction called alcoholism, possibly passed on in his familial gene's, all of his wayward behaviour sprung from this addiction, and not a need to boost his ego or wagepacket, or an attempt to jump ship mid contract because he fancied a sunnier climate.
 
ThatOldRedMagic said:
Unusually wise words and calm logic for a thread like this. Good on you sir.
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But who on earth started all the media frenzy? If he'd rebutted all the rumours in the first place he would not be 'disconsolate and locked in his room' as reported by yesterdays Sunday Times.

Incidentally has it been posted that Hugh McIllvenny (a great friend of SAF) reported yesterday in the ST that no way did SAF try to get in touch with Ronaldo last week? So the stories that Ronaldo refused to see him are rubbish.
 
Partizan said:
Yes he did, but as I have already said George suffered from a terrible psychological addiction called alcoholism, possibly passed on in his familial gene's, all of his wayward behaviour sprung from this addiction, and not a need to boost his ego or wagepacket, or an attempt to jump ship mid contract because he fancied a sunnier climate.
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I think that's a fair point Phil

If Ronaldo is merely trying it on for more money (how much does he feckin need?) I can reluctantly stomach that - but if he goes.......:mad:
 
Rednails said:
But who on earth started all the media frenzy? If he'd rebutted all the rumours in the first place he would not be 'disconsolate and locked in his room' as reported by yesterdays Sunday Times.

Incidentally has it been posted that Hugh McIllvenny (a great friend of SAF) reported yesterday in the ST that no way did SAF try to get in touch with Ronaldo last week? So the stories that Ronaldo refused to see him are rubbish.
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I read that too. Apparently Fergie's response to the question was suitable terse.:lol:
 
Ronaldo - United Legend?

Given the speculation about his departure......

A couple of weeks back there was a thread saying he was of United's greatest ever players and a legend etc etc.....

If he does leave the club......in his five years with us, has he done enough to achieve legendary status?

Personally, I will look back in five years time at his contribution and think he was a really good player, had one really outstanding season, but wasn't at the club long enough to regarded as one of our greats........

Or is that because I have been around long enough to see Charlton, Law, Best, Robson, Cantona et al and able to make a comparison.....?
 
Mr. MUJAC said:
Given the speculation about his departure......

A couple of weeks back there was a thread saying he was of United's greatest ever players and a legend etc etc.....

If he does leave the club......in his five years with us, has he done enough to achieve legendary status?

Personally, I will look back in five years time at his contribution and think he was a really good player, had one really outstanding season, but wasn't at the club long enough to regarded as one of our greats........

Or is that because I have been around long enough to see Charlton, Law, Best, Robson, Cantona et al and able to make a comparison.....?
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There's already a good argument about this in the Ronaldo saga thread. Not sure if you'll be able or bothered to find it though.

By the way the answer is no.
 
Interesting that he's played more games than Cantona. Just hasn't embraced the club in the same way, though.

I think he's as good or better a player as anyone I've seen play for us, but he won't be a legend if he leaves now, that's for sure.
 
ThatOldRedMagic said:
Unusually wise words and calm logic for a thread like this. Good on you sir.
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But who on earth started all the media frenzy? If he'd rebutted all the rumours in the first place he would not be 'disconsolate and locked in his room' as reported by yesterdays Sunday Times.

Incidentally has it been posted that Hugh McIllvenny (a great friend of SAF) reported yesterday in the ST that no way did SAF try to get in touch with Ronaldo last week? So the stories that Ronaldo refused to see him are rubbish.
 
Rednails said:
But who on earth started all the media frenzy? If he'd rebutted all the rumours in the first place he would not be 'disconsolate and locked in his room' as reported by yesterdays Sunday Times.

Incidentally has it been posted that Hugh McIllvenny (a great friend of SAF) reported yesterday in the ST that no way did SAF try to get in touch with Ronaldo last week? So the stories that Ronaldo refused to see him are rubbish.
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Here's a scenario. You want a pay rise. Your boss doesn't want to give you one. Another company make their interest known, and say they'll pay you as much as twice what you get now. Can you honestly say you would rush out and declare you want to stay, and weaken your position with both parties? He may or may not want to leave, but this is also his job, and he wants to be remunerated as well as possible. Of course undying loyalty would be nice, but it's a rare commodity in the modern game.
 
Cantona was influential and key from the minute he strutted into the club, to the day he left. Ronaldo has only been as influential on the pitch over the last 2 seasons. If Ronaldo gives us 2 more seasons maybe three of the level he has made for himself then he will definitely be classed as a legend, no doubt. At the moment, I'm not so sure, he is certainly a United great, not a legend yet IMO.
 
My first thought was no, but I think if he leaves this year he'll be looked back on as one of our greats... mainly due to us winning the CL this year..
 
Sultan said:
Come on K, it's not just the caftards. Gill, SAF, Carlos, and many United players past and present have fallen prey to the propaganda, and not without good reason.

Is there absolutely no substance to these rumours?
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I'm sure there is substance to the stories that Madrid are mounting a campaign to try and unsettle him - also that they would be happy to sign him and make him a big salary offer.

I think Ronaldo is considering this possibility as an option - particularly if the hoped-for improvement in his current situation doesn't happen. I reckon he thinks his performances this year have made him worth a bit more and he's probably right.

It's just that when you evaluate his actual statements the possibility of him moving seems less prominent in his mind than staying - moving, he seems to repeat, would be up to decisions made by others. So I reckon he'd definitely prefer to stay - for me to describe someone as 'seriously' contemplating a move 'this summer' he'd need to be more inclined towards a move now than he is indicating. To describe him as definitely 'wanting' a move this summer would be a major misrepresentation of the evidence.

Ok, Sults?
 
No.

He's only actually had 2 seasons playing at the level required to be considered a legend, before that, he was just a very talented youngster, and 2 years simply isn't enough. If he sustains this form for another 3 -5 years (and starts acting like a potential legend should), then yes, he may become one.

But until that happens, not a chance of legend status in my book.
 
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy !

There is a severe mis-use of the term "Legend" these days. Ronaldo, in my opinion, is nowhere near that status. He's a very good player who's done very well for us in the past couple of seasons and is likely to turn his back on us sooner rather than later.

Keane, Charlton, Best, Robson, Cantona, Giggs, Busby, Fergie, Law, Ole - These are United legends in their own right and for many reasons. In terms of the players mentioned - It has a lot more to do with appearance records or goal ratios. It's the effect on the club, the commitment to the cause and the love of United.

For me, Rooney is closer to becoming a United legend than Ronaldo is
 
If he leaves now he won't be.

But it can change. If he secures a place in footballing history along side likes of other greats such as Best, Maradona, Cryuff etc. Then his time at OT will definitely be remembered by the United fans who watched him play. That might give him a legend status later on.
 
One of our best ever players, maybe. Legend, no way. 3 more seasons of the same standard and some really smooth talking to get us to forgive him for all the current shit and to enable him to leave on good terms with the club and the fans, then maybe. But that won't happen.
 
He has certainly contributed to our success, absolutely no question. The five years he's been here, he has consistently got better with each season. This season was just phenomenal by the lad but to be considered a legend then he would need to remain here for another few seasons and keep up the standard which he's set for himself. He has always claimed he wants to go down in history alongside the likes of Best, Charlton, Cantona etc but he certainly won't achieve this if he goes now. He'll be remembered as a fantastic player who gave us so much, but to be thought of as a legend he'll definitely need to stay here for a while yet and keep doing what he's doing.
 
I will always remember the guy who scored 42 goals in a single season - as a winger. This record will propably stand forevermore. So, yes.
 
MUFCgal said:
He has certainly contributed to our success, absolutely no question. The five years he's been here, he has consistently got better with each season. This season was just phenomenal by the lad but to be considered a legend then he would need to remain here for another few seasons and keep up the standard which he's set for himself. He has always claimed he wants to go down in history alongside the likes of Best, Charlton, Cantona etc but he certainly won't achieve this if he goes now. He'll be remembered as a fantastic player who gave us so much, but to be thought of as a legend he'll definitely need to stay here for a while yet and keep doing what he's doing.
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I agree with everything you've said up to the end point.

He needs to stay and change what he's doing off the pitch if he wants to get in to that bracket.
 
robthered said:
I agree with everything you've said up to the end point.

He needs to stay and change what he's doing off the pitch if he wants to get in to that bracket.
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I was referring to what he does on the pitch, he needs to keep doing what he's doing where it matters which is out there giving it his best.
 
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