ALL Ronaldo's future/comments/speculation
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I know that's what you meant but what I was getting at was that it's not just what happens on the pitch that makes a player a United legend, it takes more than that.
not a united legend. For me a "united" legend has to have played all or most of his career with the club.
5 years hes been with us but only for 2 years has he showed his true class and potential.
He could be the greatest legend of all time but needs to stay at the club to acheive that
5 years hes been with us but only for 2 years has he showed his true class and potential.
He could be the greatest legend of all time but needs to stay at the club to acheive that
Afraid I wouldn't put him in the legend bracket if he goes. Not comparable to Cantona, Hughes, Robson, the 1999 boys or the holy trinity simply because of his commitment level to the club and they way he courted Madrid. Still would wish him well though and he would have been a great player that helped us to success for a few years
At this juncture, would it be proper to post a picture of a cat?
Good luck with "logic" when Ronaldo is the issue, especially with some of our more frantic and/or Little Englander posters.
Yeah I see what you mean. The likes of Scholesy, Nev and Giggsy. The way they conduct themselves off the pitch is part of what makes them legends, I know what you mean. To be honest, if Ronaldo stays then fair enough. He's the best player in the world at the moment so I'll be disappointed if he does choose to move on but at the end of the day, regardless of what happens, we're Manchester United and I'm pretty confident we'll survive.....
Great player, one of the finest I have seen in a United shirt, but not a legend for me. Not enough respect for the club, not enough love for the club, he doesn't feel as privileged as he should to wear the shirt. A fine player nonetheless.
He needs to stay for atleast two more seasons which he will
Sultan, this doesn't have anything to do being matchgoing or not, or what country you come from.
Take a look at the thread as a whole and beyond the palpitations. There are a lot of past/former matchgoers who think that this all is insane and hysterical.
I posted this in the Ronaldo thread but it got swamped and since we're talking about it;
C. Ronaldo is NOT a United legend. Yes he is a fantastically talented player who just had one of the best seasons I've seen in a United shirt. And yes we have just won the league again, and the CL, and he is "BPITW".
But he despite all these achievements he hasn't become part of the fabric of United. Now this isn't about how long you play here or what you win, it's about whether or not you add something to the soul of the club, not just the trophy cabinet.
In terms of legendary status Cantona and Ronaldo aren't even in the same league. It's enough to bring a tear to your eye listening to Eric say that till the day he dies United will be in his heart and see the glint in his eye when talks about our club.
And I hate to say it but Beckham and (potentially, let's wait and see) Ronaldo epitomise many of the reasons that Cantona retired when he did, and lost his love for the game.
I don't want him to get a United tattoo on his arm or say that he'll never leave, I just want him to show some respect to the club and the fans. If he goes, I don't really care. If he stays I'll be chuffed. Life goes on and I support United not Ronaldo.
C. Ronaldo is NOT a United legend. Yes he is a fantastically talented player who just had one of the best seasons I've seen in a United shirt. And yes we have just won the league again, and the CL, and he is "BPITW".
But he despite all these achievements he hasn't become part of the fabric of United. Now this isn't about how long you play here or what you win, it's about whether or not you add something to the soul of the club, not just the trophy cabinet.
In terms of legendary status Cantona and Ronaldo aren't even in the same league. It's enough to bring a tear to your eye listening to Eric say that till the day he dies United will be in his heart and see the glint in his eye when talks about our club.
And I hate to say it but Beckham and (potentially, let's wait and see) Ronaldo epitomise many of the reasons that Cantona retired when he did, and lost his love for the game.
I don't want him to get a United tattoo on his arm or say that he'll never leave, I just want him to show some respect to the club and the fans. If he goes, I don't really care. If he stays I'll be chuffed. Life goes on and I support United not Ronaldo.
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A legend isnt created by just being the best player
It is a combination of many things such as
Personailty, Commitment to the club, Rapport with fans, "That special moment eg Ole 1999 " and of course above average skills, I am sure there are others, but you get the idea.
A legend isnt created by just being the best player
It is a combination of many things such as
Personailty, Commitment to the club, Rapport with fans, "That special moment eg Ole 1999 " and of course above average skills, I am sure there are others, but you get the idea.
No, Beckham probably deserve the legend title more than Ronaldo.
Just wanted to point out a minor contradiction in the 'Real making money from the image rights' from star players story, as regards OUR Christiano.
The idea is that a star player brings in loads of extra money (over a 10 year period) because of the increased merchandise income (etc.) that they bring to the club. That's one of the main motivating factors for wanting someone who is an 'icon' as well as a good footballer. All sensible so far...
...The problem is that it has been suggested that RM would have to cede a sizable proportion of his image rights back to Ronaldo in order to tempt him. So they are going to have to perform a more complicated calculation and 'balancing act' with these rights and the respective benefits. Not beyond the wit of man certainly, but it does make the stories a bit less clear cut.
The idea is that a star player brings in loads of extra money (over a 10 year period) because of the increased merchandise income (etc.) that they bring to the club. That's one of the main motivating factors for wanting someone who is an 'icon' as well as a good footballer. All sensible so far...
...The problem is that it has been suggested that RM would have to cede a sizable proportion of his image rights back to Ronaldo in order to tempt him. So they are going to have to perform a more complicated calculation and 'balancing act' with these rights and the respective benefits. Not beyond the wit of man certainly, but it does make the stories a bit less clear cut.
A cheeky bit of insider knowledge for you here! I was speaking to an ex United youth player this morning who's still in touch with a few players at the club. He said they seem to be of the opinion that Ronaldo will stay next season as long as he gets himself an improved contract. Footballer in mercenary shocker. To be honest I think he deserves to be the best paid player at the club really but this isn't the best way of going about it!
The Spanish and Portuguese press have nothing new to report. AS and Marca are talking like a move to Madrid is a done deal. Despite that - AS (in particular) and Marca (when they can stop being giddy for long enough) are still trying to sell the deal to a still sceptical readership. There's a report from Valter di Salvo in AS written at the request of the Real board assuring them that he's not only as fit as a butcher's whippet, he's also a disciplined professional, and just one of the team in the dressing room.
However, it may surprise people to hear that Ron did answer a couple of football related questions on Saturday. So for the novelty value if nothing else:
You ended up playing as a striker. Would you prefer that position?
I prefer to play on the wing, although obviously I can play as a striker. It's up to the coach, but I have always played on one side or the other and that's been good for me. It is a matter of space. As lone striker it's different, there are many times you have to play backwards and I can't use my speed as much, my main weapon.
Would you like to play against Spain in the final?
I would like to play in the final, regardless of who it's against. But it would be a great final.
However, it may surprise people to hear that Ron did answer a couple of football related questions on Saturday. So for the novelty value if nothing else:
You ended up playing as a striker. Would you prefer that position?
I prefer to play on the wing, although obviously I can play as a striker. It's up to the coach, but I have always played on one side or the other and that's been good for me. It is a matter of space. As lone striker it's different, there are many times you have to play backwards and I can't use my speed as much, my main weapon.
Would you like to play against Spain in the final?
I would like to play in the final, regardless of who it's against. But it would be a great final.
I talked to a garage mechanic who serviced Rooney's mum's cat's vet's car and he told me Ronaldo is holding out for scented cat-litter and two bowls of fresh tuna a week!
Might have got the story a bit confused though?
Would you like to play against spain in the final........
These guys are funny. It's a pity it escapes their little minds, madrids and barcas best players in general haven't even been spanish....
oh and infact their spanish side prove bottlers time and time again. They won't even get to the final
bless emI didn't think people would believe it for one second! It is true I promise you.
I think one of the problems from Uniteds view is that Real have not put in a formal bid for Ronaldo, and the more Ronaldo is unsettled the less Real have to pay.
My post was not based on this thread Jase.
Anyway the point still remains.
Some of us just cannot think or react logically where football or footballers are concerned. You'll just have to excuse/pardon our behaviour.
If Ronaldo was a Cricketer in India or Pakistan we would now have an effigy burning ceremony on a daily basis.
I'd rely on that about as much as I would rely on his mum's comments and those of his godfather.
If he is angling for a payrise at United the first thing I would do is tell myfamily to say that I was leaning towards Real if they were asked. It's all about the best bargaining position.
i was watching a interview with Fabregas in spanish television and they asked him about Real and Barça insterest in him and if he would move to one of those teams and he said no right away and said that hes very happy were he is.
why cant Ronaldo say something like that.
why cant Ronaldo say something like that.
Agree with all of the above, but want to clarify one thing...
Ronaldo not a United legend (yet, and if he stays he's got a long way to go with the fans and the club before he becomes one), but Beckham definitely is a United Legend.
The way Kenyon sold Becks was akin to second-hand car sales and despite what you may say about Beckham's extra-football activities and persona, he has never lost his love for the club.
Ronaldo is not even in the same league, and it looks likely that he never will be with this mercenary attitude of his.
because he is at a great club which just won the league and the cl
Of all the interested parties involved, Ronaldo stands to lose out the most.
Ronaldo will live to regret it if he leaves for the Spanish Soap Opera.
United will carry on as always. Winning. Loads.
Ronaldo will live to regret it if he leaves for the Spanish Soap Opera.
United will carry on as always. Winning. Loads.
That's why the rumour of the offer that appeared in the Spanish press is so shocking (50% of the rights in Spain, 100% outside Spain + a lot more money than he's on at United)
If they did make that offer, it undermines what was expected to be their source of transfer money - a bank loan paid for by the Ron merchandising boom (a scheme under which Ron gets to buy himself for Madrid - a scheme that I'm sure even the Glazers would be impressed by). I'm sure they've got other schemes - but I doubt it's as easy as they'd like us to believe.
Which is why Ron may really have made that comment to the Brasilian reporter about - "Only if it's true they are ready to pay what Manchester United ask of them." A comment that has provoked moral indignation from some of the Spanish press
- beware, Real, he's only interested in your money.Because Ron wants to play in Spain one day, and has been told the day might be now
Whereas Cesc is sure he'll get plenty of chances, irrespective of what he says now. Especially if the Blatter 6/5 rule comes in! And he may think waiting until he's 23 or so would be no great hardship, particularly as he'll almost certainly be worth more by then - he may even be a regular in the Spanish team.
Because Ron wants a new contract.
Whereas Cesc can almost certainly have a new contract if Arsenal think they need to pay more to keep him.
Because Ron's as flattered as hell by the idea that Madrid think if they buy him they'll not only win the CL they'll be back on top of the global marketing tree, and they're willing to go to outrageous lengths financially and in the media to persuade him of how desirable he is.
Whereas Cesc is currently only in demand as a footballer and he's neither the missing "wow factor" player Real think they need to win a CL nor a global media star.
We've made a formal complaint to FIFA
There's lots of hysterical, metaphorical Ronaldo shirt-burning by United fans from all over the world. I don't think you can categorise people's opinions based on whether or not they are season-ticket holders.
It's more to do with their own natural disposition. Some folk just tend to be a bit more dramatic and excitable than others, other folk like to view everything through a prism of cold, hard logic.
I don't think either group can take the moral high-ground, mind you. It's the more passionate, hot-headed fans who probably make the most noise on match-days, even though they are sometimes guilty of not always thinking things through. Conversely, it's the more reserved, cerebral folk who provide a beacon of sanity when the caf is about to dissolve in a chorus of "Oh Noes" but I can't really imagine them screaming themselves hoarse in the Stretty End for 90 minutes. Having said that, I'm sure there are some punters with a healthy blend of the two.
Either way - like you say - it's the range of opinions that keeps the debate alive on here (even the fecking interminable cluster-feck that passes for "debate" in this thread)
What can we actually say though?
It's not illegal for Real to talk about wanting Ronaldo. It's just unethical.
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