Oh my god. It sounds like you have to be some kind of raving fascist/racist to be a "proper red". I'd better change my ways immediately! Why didn't anyone tell me this 35 years ago? I want my money back!
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Oh my god. It sounds like you have to be some kind of raving fascist/racist to be a "proper red". I'd better change my ways immediately! Why didn't anyone tell me this 35 years ago? I want my money back!
A little bit of good news....
It appears that 'DHL' are definitely another new sponsor. Not officially announced yet but they're on the LED advertising boards as well as the post match interview ad boards.
It appears that 'DHL' are definitely another new sponsor. Not officially announced yet but they're on the LED advertising boards as well as the post match interview ad boards.
Well done, you can read, Am I correct in believing you don't go to the game, stating finances as your reason (God, if only there was a way of not having astronomical ticket prices??)
@cider - I think that Dfresh dude was right. This thread goes completely downhill whenever we post. I think we should stop. It would make for a thoroughly informative discussion without the likes of us clouding the issue.
Fair point about Benitez' crappy transfers, but their ground re-building had fallen through well before last season, so their financial plans were off the rails then. Now they say they lost a lot of their own money. Shame, my heart bleeds.
Might also be fair to say that this new breed of owners are risk-takers, willing to speculate their capital to gain many times more. Highly necessary for the economy, no doubt, I just don't like it being done on the back of my club.
Don't worry GCHQ. I saw that. I won't let it get lost amongst the flotsam and jetsam.
Yeah. Anfield's capacity is well below ours and is their main undoing. H&G did their jobs very well (their commercial income is extremely good now).
Wtf has this to do with our situation though? We make £60million more than Liverpool from matchday income alone - more than enough to pay our debts without taking into account the fact that we outstrip them in every other area of revenue.
Not many of us do but it was done five years ago and there's not a lot can be done about it now. Since then, money concerns aside, have you REALLY noticed much difference in performance on the pitch?
If you didn't know that we were £500m in debt, wouldn't you be thinking that we've just had a pretty excellent five years that compares well with any other period in our history?
I know that you are concerned about the future but we can get through it well enough as far as I am concerned. Contrary to reports, our owners aren't actually a group of complete numpties. They are smart enough to stay well out of the Managers' way and let him get on with the football side of things and they are growing revenues in the areas which they can influence.
The funds are there for Fergie to buy players and he says that they have never refused him money in the past. What more do you want from an owner?
Correct. Though ticket prices could be half what they are and i'd still not be able to go. I always considered my ST to be good value for money during the four years that i held it though; football dominates my life and for me there's no better place to watch it than at OT; well worth it.
You could still go, you just choose to spend your money on other things (even if you haven't got much), after all tickets are easier to get now than they ever were.
It's a fair question about the recent past, but my own enjoyment of supporting is to look to the future.
Personally my worst nightmare since the start of the modern successful era (Ferguson) has been an ageing team. As it happens we've been incredibly lucky that our team has aged so well, but it's coming crunch-time now. The money may be there for serious tranfers, in which case you'll be proved right - but not yet, we have to see it first, until then it's just talk.
This argument is going nowhere. Money comes into Manchester United from all over the world. If you only want the money that comes in to be from those people who buy tickets well fine... welcome to the Championship and say goodbye to the entire squad.
EDIT: I meant "proper reds" - not "people who buy tickets".
Well, yes, i could still go if you put it like that, but when i add travel costs then i'd have nothing left each week for 'other things' (food etc.). You're right, i'm a part-timer, now kindly feck off back to Kent and leave me alone.
Well done mate. You've just made a fellow red feel pretty crap about his situation.
I'll remember your argument the next time you mention how the "core support" has been "priced out" by the ticket hikes.
Somehow, I doubt you'd let me get away with it, though. You'd probably call me names.
Now you're on the right track!
Nah! he prefers to sit in his rocker and spout on here.
That site is full of complete and utter fecking morons. It's our version of RAWK.
Really..
Thats why you joined, then got ripped to pieces.
Just the very mention of your name has them in hysterics. You did more for the anti Glazer campaign that MUST ever could. Because of your attempts to do over there what you did here, and how you got ripped to absolute shreds, people began to realise just how dumb defending the GLazers looks.
You were made to look so stupid over there, theres little wonder you didn't feel welcome, but then again you brought that on yourself.
You have the great privilige of knowing that , from all the Glazers supporters that ever graced a United forum, you are the one that holds the title of hte most Clueless twat ever to grace a forum.
Remind us all, what were your 10 questions that you were going to ask MUST that would completely discredit them.. I know we got to question 1 and you were ripped apart so badly you refused to give the other 9....
What were those 9 questions...
If only we could get those threads and let people on here see them..
Just utterly priceless seeing you dig yourself deeper and deeper in a hole.
If going into the championship gets rid of muppets like you, where do we sign up ?
Red Issue.
What utter rubbish.
You're just bitter because they kicked you off mate.
Must say I find it absurd that anyone would bend over backwards for the Glazers.
Odd as feck.
Odd as feck.
Not before making him the laughing stock of the forum.
Bettyshotpot was leaping for joy knowing there was someone more ridiculed than he was...
And uncovering a great deal about his, er, employment.
You'll have to tell us all.
That's hilarious, particularly because it has absolutely all of those. Apart from cider and glazer obviously.
They won't, for some strange reason.
And uncovering a great deal about his, er, employment.
Stop it.. You'll have him running away from here as well.
Spill the beans!
I'd say the onus of proof is on the those throwing mud.
They won't. Don't ask me why. Discrediting gchq would be golden for them.
Never understood why people love blowing smoke up RedIssue's arse whilst criticising this place, when they've got thousands of posts here. Either they've got thousands more on RedIssue, meaning a severe lack of a life, or they actually prefer posting here (despite hating it ). Good thing RedCafe is so tolerant. If I went on RedIssue and started criticising the forum and the people posting there, I'd be canned in 2 minutes.
). Good thing RedCafe is so tolerant. If I went on RedIssue and started criticising the forum and the people posting there, I'd be canned in 2 minutes.I think the more pertinant point is why wont he tell you..
Never understood why people love blowing smoke up RedIssue's arse whilst criticising this place, when they've got thousands of posts here. Either they've got thousands more on RedIssue, meaning a severe lack of a life, or they actually prefer posting here (despite hating it
Because ri is inhabited by spastics.
No, most pertinent is why won't you? It's pathetic.
Well, over two years I thought it was always £125m we were talking about, but seeing as it's a sportsman's bet I'll take your £70m trousered and £75m on players.
(I'm sure the terms keep incrementally moving here
So, other than Bebe, we were actually owed slightly more for players than we owed? Who's that for, Foster and Campbell?
No, I'm happy with those terms.
The exact figures for the cash owed on transfer fees are: £11.23m within one year of June 30 2010 plus a further £3m owed to other clubs more than one year after June 30 2010.
The exact figures for cash receivable from other clubs are: £10.35m within one year of June 30 2010 and a further £3m is due more than one year after June 30 2010.
So, other than Bebe (£8.3m after the year end), we actually owed slightly more for players than we'll receive, c. 900k, at the year end date.
There's another £12.75m that could be paid out if certain conditions are met in the future (appearances etc). £8.1m of those conditions relate to first team squad players and a further £4.65m relates to Reserve/Academy players.
Presumably the club will also have the possibility of receiving money in the future if certain conditions are met by players which were sold in previous periods, although the accounts don't provide any details on this and they never have.
And my post count is? And I last posted when?
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