ALL issues relating to the bond issue and club finances

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TheMancRedDevil said:
This gets better and better...

cider says Fletch is the first on the teamsheet and you gave four players that you put before him but neither of you has mentioned Rooney yet so I'm going to stick him in too so now we're up to six players who could all arguably be the first on the team-sheet and now you come in with Carrick - that's seven names out of eleven that could be "first on the team-sheet".

Shit squad we've got, isn't it?
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It doesn't make any sense, TMRD, i'm as baffled as you are.

Our midfield four at the moment picks itself:

Giggs-Scholes-Fletcher-Nani

We then have Carrick, Anderson, Gibson and maybe Hargreaves to act as back-up in the position that we're supposedly the weakest; that's £50m worth of central midfield players possibly sat on the bench.

We rely on Scholes and Giggs because they're two of the best players in the world who have proven track records of reliability; they're not young anymore, but they're not injury prone players either and each very rarely suffer from dips in form; when they retire one would assume that they'd be replaced with new signings, but whilst they're at the club and performing then it'd be stupid not to utilise them.

Even without those two - and the point is that we do have those two - our midfield is adequately covered. Aside from the unfortunate and unforeseable side-lining of Valencia we still could line up:

Park-Anderson-Carrick-Nani
Park-Anderson-Fletcher-Nani
Park-Anderson-Gibson-Nani
Park-Carrick-Fletcher-Nani
Park-Carrick-Gibson-Nani
Park-Gibson-Fletcher-Nani
Rooney-Anderson-Carrick-Nani
Rooney-Anderson-Fletcher-Nani
Rooney-Anderson-Gibson-Nani
Rooney-Carrick-Fletcher-Nani
Rooney-Carrick-Gibson-Nani
Rooney-Gibson-Fletcher-Nani
Bebe-Anderson-Carrick-Nani
Bebe-Anderson-Fletcher-Nani
Bebe-Anderson-Gibson-Nani
Bebe-Carrick-Fletcher-Nani
Bebe-Carrick-Gibson-Nani
Bebe-Gibson-Fletcher-Nani
Obertan-Anderson-Carrick-Nani
Obertan-Anderson-Fletcher-Nani
Obertan-Anderson-Gibson-Nani
Obertan-Carrick-Fletcher-Nani
Obertan-Carrick-Gibson-Nani
Obertan-Gibson-Fletcher-Nani

That's without even considering a five-man midfield, John O'Shea in center, Fletcher on the right or Hargreaves' potential return.

Sure we'd probably be weaker without Scholes and Giggs in the side, but so would any team if they lost two key players; and, as i've mentioned, they are in the side. If SAF couldn't pick a workable midfield four our of the many combinations above then he's just not doing his job properly; they're good players, good 'squad' players as fredthered might say, and we have a good squad.
 
I think you could do with reposting that in the several other threads where people are questioning our midfield options and banging on about fecking Van Der Vaart as if he is the new messiah !
 
ciderman9000000 said:
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I honestly can't believe you typed all that out! :lol:

Yeah, the permutations without a massive loss in quality are enormous but as Rood says, Van der Vaart is apparently the missing piece of the jigsaw according to some in other threads and some people simply cannot understand why we haven't bought him!

We're well off topic now though aren't we? Where's anders and his spreadsheets when you need him?
 
Rood said:
I think you could do with reposting that in the several other threads where people are questioning our midfield options and banging on about fecking Van Der Vaart as if he is the new messiah !
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Well, i like VDV and he would have been a good option for us, but i just don't see the point in having another central midfield option in the team. You'd imagine that signing a CM in the summer would have meant one leaving the club, but who would get the chop?

Anderson has so much potential and is five years younger than VDV. SAF sees a big future for Gibson as a proper goalscoring midfielder. Scholes is in great form and is a club legend. Carrick when his form returns will be very valuable and is a calming and experienced playmaker. Fletcher plays his role better than anyone else in the league. Hargreaves is a totally different player again to VDV and hopefully will make a much welcomed return to the first team this season. Where would Van Der Vaart have fit into that group? I'm not saying that he wouldn't have improved us, but would he have been nailed-on to have improved us enough to warrent the sale of one of the above players? I'm not so sure.

Sometimes you've just got to stick instead of twist; a muppet might tell you otherwise, but then muppets don't generally manage football clubs, so who gives a feck?
 
ciderman9000000 said:
I don't get it. Fletcher's been one of the team's most outstanding and consistent performers for three seasons now; are you underestimating his value because it suits your argument, or are you really just blind to his contribution towards our trophy haul over the last few years?
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Which three seasons?

TheMancRedDevil said:
This gets better and better...

cider says Fletch is the first on the teamsheet and you gave four players that you put before him but neither of you has mentioned Rooney yet so I'm going to stick him in too so now we're up to six players who could all arguably be the first on the team-sheet and now you come in with Carrick - that's seven names out of eleven that could be "first on the team-sheet".

Shit squad we've got, isn't it?
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Erm, Rooney's carrying a niggle and a lot of personal stress at the moment, that's why I'd not included him.

But you obviously missed Cider pointing out that he was talking about the midfield too, so I'll let you off.
 
UnitedRoadRed said:
Which three seasons?
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Look, if you don't rate Fletcher then more fool you, but don't start acting dumb and pretending as if 99% of the footballing world is equally as blind to his qualities as you obviously are. Convince yourself that Fletch hasn't been a driving force in our trophy-winning side for a number of years if it suits your argument, but don't be a dick and make crap attempts to convince anyone else, because it's just not gonna happen.
 
Magnus said:
Why all the abuse Cider? Get your point across and leave it at that. CL has always strucked me as a good lad so no need to be a bully. I disagree with you on Glazer but I still respect your view. Lets leave the abuse for rivals:devil:
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Cider likes to get heavy when he losing the debate. Having stood in court to give evidence against a top paramilitary and condeming him to a long stretch I can assure you Cider's name calling does not annoy me, in fact I find it hilarious
 
Crerand Legend said:
Cider likes to get heavy when he losing the debate. Having stood in court to give evidence against a top paramilitary and condeming him to a long stretch I can assure you Cider's name calling does not annoy me, in fact I find it hilarious
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You may have stood in court and given evidence against a top paramilitary and condemned him to a long stretch, you grass, but i've stood in front of a team of highly trained and organised crack ignorinators and made them each and every one cry tears of insanity as my incessant name-calling fused their slashing-edge water-off-a-duck's-back glands into one big, puss-filled and rapidly pulsating incandescent lump of bio-mechanical infuriation. You're no match for me, Crerand; no mere human is match for me for i am the 9millionth and best incarnation of what you squirming grubs in your stunted little language call God! Consider this a warning.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
Look, if you don't rate Fletcher then more fool you, but don't start acting dumb and pretending as if 99% of the footballing world is equally as blind to his qualities as you obviously are. Convince yourself that Fletch hasn't been a driving force in our trophy-winning side for a number of years if it suits your argument, but don't be a dick and make crap attempts to convince anyone else, because it's just not gonna happen.
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Oh stop being a complete twat.

He's had two good seasons.
He's been poor this season.
He only had 16 league appearances 3 seasons ago.

You talk bollocks then act the big I am, patronise and ridicule but ultimately you're a lying wanker who tries to deflect attention from the fact that you were wrong.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
You may have stood in court and given evidence against a top paramilitary and condemned him to a long stretch, you grass, but i've stood in front of a team of highly trained and organised crack ignorinators and made them each and every one cry tears of insanity as my incessant name-calling fused their slashing-edge water-off-a-duck's-back glands into one big, puss-filled and rapidly pulsating incandescent lump of bio-mechanical infuriation. You're no match for me, Crerand; no mere human is match for me for i am the 9millionth and best incarnation of what you squirming grubs in your stunted little language call God! Consider this a warning.
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Where is that box of tissues? All this laughing the tears are running down my face. Go and do your homework Cider
 
UnitedRoadRed said:
Oh stop being a complete twat.

He's had two good seasons.
He's been poor this season.
He only had 16 league appearances 3 seasons ago.

You talk bollocks then act the big I am, patronise and ridicule but ultimately you're a lying wanker who tries to deflect attention from the fact that you were wrong.
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Another one with retardedly short memory when it suits!

Ok, Fletcher's shit and the SAF would have replaced him in the summer had it not been for the Glazers and their evil penny-pinching.

Happy now?

Get a grip.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
I think it started when Crerand decided that Malcolm Glazer is so evil that like some kind of Harry Potter baddy he stripped Rooney of his form and is making us lose matches.
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I've not read through the last 20 pages of drivel in this increasingly inane thread, but I would guess his point was that the Glazers haven't invested in the squad and that as a result we're starting to see the effects on the pitch. Just a wild stab in the dark, like...
 
ralphie88 said:
I've not read through the last 20 pages of drivel in this increasingly inane thread, but I would guess his point was that the Glazers haven't invested in the squad and that as a result we're starting to see the effects on the pitch. Just a wild stab in the dark, like...
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Something like that yeah.

The team draw a match... "The Glazers did it!"

Stupid, i know.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
I think it started when Crerand decided that Malcolm Glazer is so evil that like some kind of Harry Potter baddy he stripped Rooney of his form and is making us lose matches.
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Oh yes, I remember now... it's all coming back to me. I had tried to stuff it away deep into my subconscious like a bad memory.

Sometimes I think we'd do best to remember that we're actually arguing with people who believe that three consecutive PLs followed by a 2nd place represents a decline in standards.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
We've already lost the league; you're in dreamland if you think United can win the league apparently.
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Have we? Perhaps it would be an idea for us both to leave it there as Im sure a verbal sparring match between us with only a slight relevance to the thread is bound to be boring readers
 
Crerand Legend said:
Have we? Perhaps it would be an idea for us both to leave it there as Im sure a verbal sparring match between us with only a slight relevance to the thread is bound to be boring readers
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Not if we do it in rhyme!

Crerand, oh Crerand
Your posts make me cringe like my mouth got lemon'd
Your IQ is half that of Richard Hammond
And you're full of more shit than a bear all salmon'd
Crerand, you're a Ihni binni dimi diniwiny anitaime
You're brain aches 'cus your two thick planks aren't long
You've got a pie stuck in your think-pipe line
You make Danny Dyer look like Albert Einstein
Crerand, you're always so sensitive
You type like your OD'd on sedative
There's only so much Crerand a man can take
One'd get a better debate from a wet corn-flake
And yet you're always there trying your best
You blame the Glazers for world hunger; who'd o' guessed?
You think you've won Connect Four when you connect just two
And they're not even the same colour; one's green, one's blue
Where the feck did you get green and blue Connect Four chips?
I'm bored of this rhyme now, it's getting on my tits.
 
Crerand Legend said:
Have we? Perhaps it would be an idea for us both to leave it there as Im sure a verbal sparring match between us with only a slight relevance to the thread is bound to be boring readers
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yes, both of you should leave it there

None of us want to be reading this crap, consistently taking threads off course.

I know i've replied to your post, but this is aimed at you and Cider, as well as those who use this thread to throw petty insults at each other.
 
I'd love to take part in discussion in an important thread like this, but for feck sake, the posts/posters in here just make it so fecking boring.
 
MacMUFC said:
I'd love to take part in discussion in an important thread like this, but for feck sake, the posts/posters in here just make it so fecking boring.
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The problem is that it has now all been said and done really and we're waiting for some new news on the financials to come out so we can all start all over again.

In the meantime, we just throw petty insults at each other for a few pages.

Like a retarded dwarf walking past a clock, it isn't big and it isn't clever but it passes the time.

I suggest you come back when the next financial reports are published (should be available before the end of the month) because it will be in full swing by then.

And if you thought the last few pages were bad, wait til anders brings his spreadsheets! :lol:
 
MacMUFC said:
I'd love to take part in discussion in an important thread like this, but for feck sake, the posts/posters in here just make it so fecking boring.
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This is the only Glazer related thread left, all our other ones got closed down; it's impossible to stick to any topic because the threads concerning the various facets of the ownership issues got closed and now we're all bottled up in this one. We're not allowed to mention Glazer in any other threads, so it's just inevitable that this single thread (which should just be for finance issues) is going off on a mad 'un. We've got e-cabin fever.
 
golden_blunder said:
yes, both of you should leave it there

None of us want to be reading this crap, consistently taking threads off course.

I know i've replied to your post, but this is aimed at you and Cider, as well as those who use this thread to throw petty insults at each other.
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I think you will find that if I did any petty insulting it was minimal, the abuse I received was far from minimal. Out of respect to yourself I wont respond to post 4036 but it is typical of what happens if you oppose cider and it is out of order especially after I attempted to end what was becoming a petty dispute.
 
ciderman9000000 said:
You may have stood in court and given evidence against a top paramilitary and condemned him to a long stretch, you grass, but i've stood in front of a team of highly trained and organised crack ignorinators and made them each and every one cry tears of insanity as my incessant name-calling fused their slashing-edge water-off-a-duck's-back glands into one big, puss-filled and rapidly pulsating incandescent lump of bio-mechanical infuriation. You're no match for me, Crerand; no mere human is match for me for i am the 9millionth and best incarnation of what you squirming grubs in your stunted little language call God! Consider this a warning.
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One nine millionth! that's big -it's nearly a hundred thousandth!
 
Where is GCHQ

Dear Supporter

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Now try telling us that they have sold all season tickets.

Sent by email to One United members today..
 
Im going to a talk on Thursday about the Red Knights proposed takeover. Two of the speakers are members of the RKs.

"A RED KNIGHT'S TALE
Were the Red Knights just a side show in the Theatre of Dreams or could shareholder ownership be a reality? Find out about the firm’s involvement in defending Manchester United from the 2005 bid by the Glazers and the emergence, some five years later, of the Red Knights consortium."

Should be interesting.
 
gaffs said:
Im going to a talk on Thursday about the Red Knights proposed takeover. Two of the speakers are members of the RKs.

"A RED KNIGHT'S TALE
Were the Red Knights just a side show in the Theatre of Dreams or could shareholder ownership be a reality? Find out about the firm’s involvement in defending Manchester United from the 2005 bid by the Glazers and the emergence, some five years later, of the Red Knights consortium."

Should be interesting.
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Indeed.

I suspect the RKs may well get a bit of a hard time of it by fans who believe they raised expectations then walked away when things werent as simple as they'd thought it would be.
 
fredthered said:
Indeed.

I suspect the RKs may well get a bit of a hard time of it by fans who believe they raised expectations then walked away when things werent as simple as they'd thought it would be.
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They wont from the audience attending this talk. One of the RKs is a Senior Partner at my company. I don't think im going to give him any shit.

Still, it will be interesting to find out a little more from some people that are really in the know.
 
gaffs said:
Im going to a talk on Thursday about the Red Knights proposed takeover. Two of the speakers are members of the RKs.

"A RED KNIGHT'S TALE
Were the Red Knights just a side show in the Theatre of Dreams or could shareholder ownership be a reality? Find out about the firm’s involvement in defending Manchester United from the 2005 bid by the Glazers and the emergence, some five years later, of the Red Knights consortium."

Should be interesting.
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Yes that does sound interesting - please do let us know what they have to say.

Is this an internal thing in your company?
Are you able to give any more details? Like who is involved etc
 
Rood said:
Yes that does sound interesting - please do let us know what they have to say.

Is this an internal thing in your company?
Are you able to give any more details? Like who is involved etc
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What so you and GCHQ can send out your hit squad and prevent them from ever removing your beloved Malcolm..

:D
 
fredthered said:
What so you and GCHQ can send out your hit squad and prevent them from ever removing your beloved Malcolm..

:D
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If the RK came up with the money and a viable plan for a fan friendly takeover then I would happily support it - I've always said that!
 
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