Absolute fecking disgrace PJ - the fecker should of been banned for life - end of the story mate
What sort of an example is he showing to young footballers not only in his town but in Tyrone
All-Ireland Championships '09
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Absolute fecking disgrace PJ - the fecker should of been banned for life - end of the story mate
What sort of an example is he showing to young footballers not only in his town but in Tyrone
Totally agree with that comment - he's an asshole of the highest order
As regards your "whole 5 hour opinion on the GAA up north... They put too much value on it...Its a sport FFS..." comment
Not even gonna bother with that
I take it the manager's the one with the black beany... Poor form, no manager should get physically involved, unless it's breaking up the biffo.
On a side, and somewhat less contraversial (
and here's a longer (and better) one, from last year:
the ninja scissor kick at 9:15 there would put all other scissor kicks to shame
Beautiful indeed
It's nowhere near mine.
As regards your "whole 5 hour opinion on the GAA up north... They put too much value on it...Its a sport FFS..." comment
Not even gonna bother with that
You know youse do....
And I am sick to my teeth with Tyrone and Armagh fans slating other supporters for not singing the National Anthem....
feck sake Baz, give it a break, you have feck all to say about Northern people other than negative down-grading of character. You come onto to these threads & have nothing to offer but insults! Regardless if you're just trying to wind folk up or me personally i couldnt give a feck, just dont see why you bother
For a Southern man who now lives in the North, you should have a bit of understanding the role the GAA & the Church plays in keeping the Nationalist Community together & how these institutions supported its people during the hard times. You've taken your Irish identity for granted & why not - you're from a "Free State", we are still to this day being regarded as British by the Unionist Community, so there's a powerful attachment to everthing Irish for Northern Catholics!
Thats why we take Gaelic Football serious - thats why Tyrone are the best Football County in Ireland at the moment - thats why Ulster is the hardest Province to get out of - its more than just a sport to us - its the glue that has kept the Catholic Community united and if you ask anyone else on here - PJ etc - they will say the same thing!!
If you hate Northern folk so much why dont you just get the feck out of the North & stop bitching!!
You rank a County on the basis of some people you meet & dont like, so what should my opinion be of Westmeath then?
My mate does that & he's from Wicklow & Wicklow's hardly the hotbed of Irishness now is it, they play more British games at schools than they do Gaelic games!!
There's no excuse for not knowing the national anthem. If you really cannot get to grips with Ahmrán na nhFiann, then the Soldier's Song is simple enough.
And GAA is a vital part of our identity. RHD is right, along with the Catholic Church, it has held our community together in the past, and will continue to do so.
And GAA is a vital part of our identity. RHD is right, along with the Catholic Church, it has held our community together in the past, and will continue to do so.
I cann't get out of the North - I am living and happily married here... and stop your bitching.... You sound like the average Tyrone supporter - Day Tripping
Westmeath are well liked up and down the country...
What I was implying is the tradition of Belting out UP Westmeath during the last line....
More and more we are seeing Armagh and Tyrone supporters castiagate others fans for doing this...
That shows a serious lack of respect imo. You have over an hour and a half to yell and cheer all you want. It only takes a minute to respect our anthem.
The last line takes about 5 seconds to sing. I'd prefer to see people knowing the words of our national anthem and standing appropraitely to our national flag then people getting their knickers in a twist in what has become something of a tradition in our national game...
I suppose if our own players & team mentors cann't show respect on the playing field what hope is there.
You're the one bitchin - read over your posts will ya - you never give it a fecking rest with all this anti-Tyrone crap - fecking boring to say the least!!
Your opinion of yourself far excedes the reality
You're the one bitchin - read over your posts will ya - you never give it a fecking rest with all this anti-Tyrone crap - fecking boring to say the least!!
Your opinion of yourself far excedes the reality
Would you stop RHD - Youse win an All-Ireland and you think you own the place....
All I said was that the Northern Counties take the fecking GAA far too seriously and borders on a religion to some.
You tarr everyone with the same brush - that irks me
There's twats everywhere but you only seem to focus on Tyrone or Armagh people & then condemn the Counties!As for "owning the place" - i think not!
This really is a pointless conversation!!
Pointless RHD - Absolutely Pointless
My personal experience of GAA and Northern Irish teams goes back to the early 90’s went they won 3 in a row. Now having witness literally 100’s of matches in Croke Park the thing that struck me about the Northern Teams and their support was that they are the easily the best supported, most passionate and for years now have been better conditioned and fitter than most of the other provinces. Their underage teams have been formidable at times aswell (I think Derry had particularly good team at one stage). Obviously there are wankers amongst them but that’s goes for every county (even Dublin!!!)
The same accusation could be levelled at a lot of United fans, which again is wrong. If people feel that passionate about something fair play to them each to there own as long as they’re not causing trouble.
I don’t think its fair to say they take it too serious and “its only a game” because quite simply its alot more than that. Its a way of life and a tradition that means so much to an awful lot of people. Especially in rural areas, it binds communities together socially.
The same accusation could be levelled at a lot of United fans, which again is wrong. If people feel that passionate about something fair play to them each to there own as long as they’re not causing trouble.
I don’t think its fair to say they take it too serious and “its only a game” because quite simply its alot more than that. Its a way of life and a tradition that means so much to an awful lot of people. Especially in rural areas, it binds communities together socially.
Some very good points there & very well put!...........Just one tiny nit-pick, t'was 4 in-a-row, not 3!......
'91...Down
'92...Donegal
'93...Derry
'94...Down.
.....and it might of been 5 - pending a reply, if Paddy Russell had given (correctly) the equalising score from Peter Canavan's free for Tyrone against Dublin in 1995
O'Mahony tests positive for banned substance.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1118/1226700697226.html
Apparently it is a substance found in asthma inhalers, but could still be dodgy. Really hope he's clean.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/sport/2008/1118/1226700697226.html
Apparently it is a substance found in asthma inhalers, but could still be dodgy. Really hope he's clean.
I'd say he's clean to be honest PJ but who knows!
I find it rediculous that a Gardai would fail to recognise that the invaler he was allegedly using contained a banned substance. You can bet your life on it that he will use that in any hearing that arises: "i'm a Gardai - i follow & enforce the law everyday of the week, i wouldnt knowingly break the laws of the land nor the laws of the GAA....its unfortunate & i apologise but i never knowingly took a stimulant for performance enhancing reasons..."
Thats what i would say if i was in deep shit like this, do you think that the benefit of the doubt will be given based on those reasons, because thats what he'll say for sure & do you think that maybe he took a risk by using the substance illegally & had his story lined up if he was caught?
Based on this detailed piece on RTE, i'd say he's grand:
"Mr Derham insists his client has been an asthmatic since childhood and that he had a 'theraputic use exemption' from the Irish Sports Council which he first applied for four years ago and renews annually...."
He's had the go-ahead for 4 years to use inhalers, so you wonder why they are making a big deal of this, unless the question marks surround how he took it & the levels, but the article below states it was was consistent with medication purposes!
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2008/1118/omahonya.html
"Mr Derham insists his client has been an asthmatic since childhood and that he had a 'theraputic use exemption' from the Irish Sports Council which he first applied for four years ago and renews annually...."
He's had the go-ahead for 4 years to use inhalers, so you wonder why they are making a big deal of this, unless the question marks surround how he took it & the levels, but the article below states it was was consistent with medication purposes!
http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/championship/2008/1118/omahonya.html
Good point. I actually fully believe his innocence now (so I also need a new reason to slag off kerry!). Why do they have to bring it up? Plus, now we're going to have the Kerrymen saying they are being targeted!
.....and it might of been 5 - pending a reply, if Paddy Russell had given (correctly) the equalising score from Peter Canavan's free for Tyrone against Dublin in 1995
Ha Ha feck off you greedy nordie let us have 1995 will ya
(we aint got feck all since).
I wasnt at the 1991 final but I was at the next 3 Northern wankfests
Its a conspiracy man, its a scare tactic to rush them all off to Oz Rules PJ - so they wont have any young talent coming through & that Tyrone can clean up for the next 33 years & take their crown - you heard it here first PJ
Ha Ha feck off you greedy nordie let us have 1995 will ya
(we aint got feck all since).
I wasnt at the 1991 final but I was at the next 3 Northern wankfests
No chance pal, if i had a Delorean - i'd go back in time & hand Paddy Russell a new pair of glasses - the blind Sam Maguire robbing Tipperary bastard that he is
We were goin for our first Sam - you've had 20 odd already you greedy so & so's - which is phenomenal achievement in its own right
Some new fare-weather followers of Gaelic football dont have a clue about Dublins achievements over the years. They only reflect on them not winning since 1995 & havent a fecking clue about the years before that. Kerry would have won 50 odd All-Irelands if it wasnt for Dublin - so respect to that!
Tyrone are looking to move up the list of winners so there's no cockiness from this fella with the task at hand........ the Mighty Red Hand C'mon
I'd give him the benefit of the doubt at this stage. There is no real need for people within amateur sports to be taking performance enhancing drugs. He has nothing to gain from doing such a thing.
Potential new rules are a good idea. The provincial title has been undermined somewhat with the introduction of the back door so hopefully this will reinstate it to its rightful place. The fact that the idea has come from Micky Hart can be overlooked as the Tyrone lads are getting enough attention this year!
Potential new rules are a good idea. The provincial title has been undermined somewhat with the introduction of the back door so hopefully this will reinstate it to its rightful place. The fact that the idea has come from Micky Hart can be overlooked as the Tyrone lads are getting enough attention this year!
The Provincial Championship is not undermined in Ulster. The Anglo-Celt Cup is what each County at all levels aspire to win at the start of the Championship. Most Counties in Ulster will feel they can win the Ulster title but they wont feel they have a shout at winning the All-Ireland, so the most important thing is the Ulster title first & foremost & a run for Sam would be an added bonus, except for the likes of Armagh, Monaghan, Tyrone & Doire who will be gunning hard for Ulster & Sam.
Just because Dublin win Leinster then get whooped by Tyrone
- who didnt win Ulster, doesnt mean the Provincial Championship is diluted. All it means is that Ulster football is a higher standard & they hype machine regarding Dublin was again - working overtime! This whole debate seems to have arisen since Dublin got knocked out Mickey Hartes idea is a good one & gives the Provincial winners a second bite of the cherry which is only fair, since the other teams in the back door have 2nd chances!
I agree with giving him the benefit of the doubt but i'm gonna be a rascal with this one aswell
He's a Gardai, working in Cork so live by the sword die by the sword
Imagine if he stopped someone driving who was slightly over the limit at Xmas due to maybe too much brandy in the Xmas pudding & after having one drink - would he/she be given the benefit of the doubt
Throw the book at him & have Paul Galvin pick it up
The Provincial Championship is not undermined in Ulster. The Anglo-Celt Cup is what each County at all levels aspire to win at the start of the Championship. Most Counties in Ulster will feel they can win the Ulster title but they wont feel they have a shout at winning the All-Ireland, so the most important thing is the Ulster title first & foremost & a run for Sam would be an added bonus, except for the likes of Armagh, Monaghan, Tyrone & Doire who will be gunning hard for Ulster & Sam.
Just because Dublin win Leinster then get whooped by Tyrone
Mickey Hartes idea is a good one & gives the Provincial winners a second bite of the cherry which is only fair, since the other teams in the back door have 2nd chances!
The facts are Dublin haven’t got enough top class players. Not compared to the last All Ireland winning side. An example for me is Shane Ryan. Terrific attitude and engine but is simply not good enough technique wise and mentally. The amount of championship games he has played is laughable. Take for instance from say '92-'96 players like Eamonn Heary and Paul Clarke barely got games for Dublin but were far superior players. As you mentioned its the hype that gets Dublin every year, its similar to the England in major football tournaments. They are always amongst the favourites betting wise but in reality their odds are no where near a reflection of their actual abilities.
In regard to your previous comment about the glory hunting aspect of Dublin supporters I agree to an extent but alot Dubs fans are very knowledable. I know alot of my generation (and team mates when I played) were raised watching replays of all the Dublin and Kerry matches in the 70's. Easily the stand out period in football’s recent history.
"Some new fare-weather followers of Gaelic football dont have a clue about Dublins achievements over the years.." - i was referring to non-Dubs man
I have to say man, your a well balanced gentleman & extremely knowledgeable about your sport as a whole
I've met so many fans from other Counties that dont have a clue about how good the Dubs were in past decades. 20 odd All-Irelands is a phenomenal achievement! I agree also that alot of Dubs fans are very knowledgeable about their football & i enjoy a natter with them when out & about or at a match
Sadly the Hill on Dubs match-day is a bittuva joke. Many Dubs fans i know feel embarrassed by them. Alot of them dont even like football & only follow Dublin out of being patriotic, fair enough some might say, but it doesnt say much about their reading of the game & that they can be so easily swayed into thinkin that they're the best team in the land by the Dublin Media machine!
I agree with you regarding Shane Ryan. Good engine & attitude but thats about it. How he made the All-Star team i'll never know. The GAA is still balancing the books with their team of the year crap. It should best players in their position for the year not reputation or to keep Counties sweet. The GPA team of the year is the perfect reflection on the season gone by!!
The problem I feel Dublin GAA has, is the distraction of the big City life/lights. If you look at the likes of Cork, Kerry etc.. & Ulster teams, alot of the squad live & work in rural communities & they dont have the excitement of big City life, so the Club & County football aswell as family life are the most important things for them. I see so many Dublin players doin adverts & sponsorship & yet they havent won an All-Ireland in 14 years. Surely this recognition of status is generally based on performance is it not. This reminds me of Beckham & how his Public Relations campaign convinced the world that he was a better player than actually was. Twice he got runner-up in World player of the year - ahead of Scholes etc...
I'm off down to Kerry this weekend with the missus - thats where she's from, so its gonna be interesting to say the least as regards to my sometimes critical views on the game & being a Tyrone man. We're not exactly flavour of the month down there, so i'll have to keep my head down otherwise i could be in for a whooping
Agree with you on the Dubs RHD....
Don't really see a problem with the Dublin club scene... Thinks its more a mental approach... Bit like the English Football team - full of good players on the day, but not individually taking responsibilty for their game.....
In relation to the Hill - this is becoming a myth imo.... You'd expect there to be hassle with a 15k terrace packed to its gills... Yet its only stories from the Dublin fans... Not really surprising as the hill is only filled when Dublin are playing or AI day..... No real issue.... I know alot of good Dubs who will not go anywhere other then the Hill....
Might even start a thread on the Gaaboard about this.....
Don't really see a problem with the Dublin club scene... Thinks its more a mental approach... Bit like the English Football team - full of good players on the day, but not individually taking responsibilty for their game.....
In relation to the Hill - this is becoming a myth imo.... You'd expect there to be hassle with a 15k terrace packed to its gills... Yet its only stories from the Dublin fans... Not really surprising as the hill is only filled when Dublin are playing or AI day..... No real issue.... I know alot of good Dubs who will not go anywhere other then the Hill....
Might even start a thread on the Gaaboard about this.....
Yeah you're right there Ted. I know a few Club players in Dublin & I work with a Hurler aswell, their training regime seems to be high quality. Its seems that the transition to the County team is not good for some reason. But you're right - its got to be a mental thing or bad management or training practices at County level! There's also a serious pressure to win another All-Ireland asap by the fans & the Dublin media & that must play on everyone's mind throughout the Panel & backroom staff.
Sorry for harping on about Tyrone, but if you look at the Tyrone Club scene & the success they've had in Ulster & All-Irelands - its very poor. Although in saying that, Crossmaglen have been awesome & consistent for so many years & are the benchmark of Ulster Club football, so that has most definitely hindered every club team to a certain extent by its up to others to raise their game.... so in a sense, the Tyrone County set-up is actually more successful than the club scene
There's not too many teams that are afraid of the Hill anymore, if anything the opposition maybe get fired up more than usual, especially this year. I've been on the Hill quite a few times - much prefer to be on the sides so i can see the match better!
Good topic for a thread alright: "The Hill - 16th Man - The Myth - The disappointment"
Tyrone Club football really does not look outside the county unlike the likes of Antrim, Derry or Armagh... I mean they take more pride in winning the Tyrone Senior rather then making an attempt at winning the Club Final.. Again that is a big Ulster thing..... Sure look at Antrim St Galls are more concerning winning Antrim then they are at tugging out for their county (a fecking joke)
Agree about the Hill.... No longer Feared.... Maybe that is down to too many matches in croker and getting used to playing on the pitch.... Could talk on that all day....
Not right that we have 20K fans turn up in Leinster to a stadium that is 1/4 full lacking in atmosphere when they should be packing teh likes of O'Moore Park, O'Connor Park , Parnell Park or our own 12,000 capacity Cusack Park.... Poor show by leinster and imo opinion lessons the sport during the summer in leinster...
I have some great memories of the Hill....
Was there for Westmeath Minors in 1995 when we beat Derry and The Dub Fans came in early to support us.... Also in 2001 I think we played Meath in a double header in Croker after Dubs played Wicklow or Carlow.... The Hill was packed and The dubs stayed on to watch our match and support us.... Also was there for all 4 of the epic Meath Dublin games in 1991 when the GAA were played by real men (Lyons, O'Malley, Harnan, Barr, Deegan & Murphy), when GAA jersies were becoming fashionable and the summers had some sun in them....
Agree about the Hill.... No longer Feared.... Maybe that is down to too many matches in croker and getting used to playing on the pitch.... Could talk on that all day....
Not right that we have 20K fans turn up in Leinster to a stadium that is 1/4 full lacking in atmosphere when they should be packing teh likes of O'Moore Park, O'Connor Park , Parnell Park or our own 12,000 capacity Cusack Park.... Poor show by leinster and imo opinion lessons the sport during the summer in leinster...
I have some great memories of the Hill....
Was there for Westmeath Minors in 1995 when we beat Derry and The Dub Fans came in early to support us.... Also in 2001 I think we played Meath in a double header in Croker after Dubs played Wicklow or Carlow.... The Hill was packed and The dubs stayed on to watch our match and support us.... Also was there for all 4 of the epic Meath Dublin games in 1991 when the GAA were played by real men (Lyons, O'Malley, Harnan, Barr, Deegan & Murphy), when GAA jersies were becoming fashionable and the summers had some sun in them....
Sorry Baz, i dont have time to really reply to that. Flat out at work past couple of days & off down to Kerry tonight to "meet the Parents", so i have to leg it now. But I will say it was a great read & you certainly know your stuff man - great memories
Im welling up Baz, my childhood is flashing before my eyes!!!! That Meath team were the dirtiest shower I've ever seen in person. I was at those 4 games. I hated them with a passion at the time but had a great respect for their abilities. A great mix of brawn brains and skill.
No mention of Stafford? I hated him with a vengance!
Surely Colm Coyle was worse?