All-Ireland Championships '09

Red Hand Devil said:
Why are ya glad - he won ya 2 All-Irelands? :confused:

I heard they're trying to get Jack O'Connor back in - what say you?
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1 all ireland, his tactics this year particularly in the final against ye lads was shocking, long ball is fine but high long balls which take 5 seconds to feckin drop was no use to people like gooch and co. Also keeping Galvin on the bench for as long as he did when Sheehan was clearly injured boggles the mind.

Wouldn't mind Jack O' Connor at all to be honest but John Kennedy the minor manager gets my vote
 
Without getting too far off topic, if we're not Irish to them, it's because they abondoned us.

It's annoying becuause barring the Irish News, northen irish coverage of GAA is abysmal (don't start me on the BBC), so we have to rely on that kind of garbage, as well as that spillane cnut.
 
lem8sh said:
1 all ireland, his tactics this year particularly in the final against ye lads was shocking, long ball is fine but high long balls which take 5 seconds to feckin drop was no use to people like gooch and co. Also keeping Galvin on the bench for as long as he did when Sheehan was clearly injured boggles the mind.

Wouldn't mind Jack O' Connor at all to be honest but John Kennedy the minor manager gets my vote
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Well according to Spillane - not playing football the traditional way (hoofing & hoping) is "Puke Football" :lol:

That long ball (kick & hope) game is negative & boring as feck. Cork, yourselves & quite a few others have been playin that way all year - its painfull to watch & whats the point havin a mid-field when the ball just passes over them. Thats why Donaghy's up there - for the long ball & the Gooch to pick up lay-offs from Donaghy. You should get Jack Charlton in as your new manager by all accounts if thats gonna be your strategy again next year!

Donaghy didnt get a single point in the All-Ireland final with Kerry playin the long ball btw!
 
I can't see why people call Tyrone men bad winners.... :D
 
PJ said:
I can't see why people call Tyrone men bad winners.... :D
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Man, if you had to put up with all the crap since Spillane coined the phrase "Puke Football" - you'd have a slight chip on your shoulder. "They won but they won ugly..." "better team lost..." blah blah...

We'd only won our first All-Ireland & yet the fecker couldnt give us any credit. You'd think he'd be happy that another county that hadnt won it previously finally got the win & would congratulate them. That'll stick with me forever!

I hate Spillane with a passion & every Tyrone person feels exactly the same regardless of his apology and brandishing Tyrone's play as "Total Football".

We dont need to be told how our teams plays its football & especially not by the Northern hater that is Spillane. Apparantly Northern teams brought diving into the game some years ago aswell - guess who said that!

Pat Spillane = King Cunto :mad:
 
Relax, I was on a bit of a wind up! I (reluctantly) admire tyrone's style and I think Spillane and his ilk are ballbags.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Well according to Spillane - not playing football the traditional way (hoofing & hoping) is "Puke Football" :lol:

That long ball (kick & hope) game is negative & boring as feck. Cork, yourselves & quite a few others have been playin that way all year - its painfull to watch & whats the point havin a mid-field when the ball just passes over them. Thats why Donaghy's up there - for the long ball & the Gooch to pick up lay-offs from Donaghy. You should get Jack Charlton in as your new manager by all accounts if thats gonna be your strategy again next year!

Donaghy didnt get a single point in the All-Ireland final with Kerry playin the long ball btw!
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Exactly why O Shea had to go imo. With a team as talented as ours we should be playing the right way and yes it is "puke" football
 
PJ said:
I can't see why people call Tyrone men bad winners.... :D
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Well to be honest the few Tyrone people i have met since the game have been absolute pricks i won't deny it but in fairness since the game RHD has acted like a proper man, knows how to celebrate victory with dignity
 
lem8sh said:
Exactly why O Shea had to go imo. With a team as talented as ours we should be playing the right way and yes it is "puke" football
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Mucho respecto Lem :cool:

Thought my rant was maybe over the top, but i'm glad you agree because Kerry are the Brazil of Gaelic Football & every County in the land aspires to the great footballing traditions of your County!

I've watched Kerry more than any other County over the years (feckers are always in the running for Sam thats why ;):cool:) probably even more than my own County, as coverage of Ulster football on the BBC hasnt been the best in previous years, so to see this long-ball nonsense as a Plan A is goin against the foundations of Kerry football!

I'm glad O'Shea's gone in respect of what you said because. There's quality players all over your County which is much to be admired, so playing this "hit-it-and-hope" business is doing the great players in the present side a disservice to put it mildly!

Tommy Walsh is another big strapping lad but the guy can play so let him play with the freedom that Gooch has & get Declan O'Sullivan playin Captain football again!

I'd love it if Tyrone can go toe-to-toe with Kerry every year now, just depends on the young lads coming through staying focussed & driven to emulate what the present team have done in recent years!
 
lem8sh said:
Well to be honest the few Tyrone people i have met since the game have been absolute pricks i won't deny it but in fairness since the game RHD has acted like a proper man, knows how to celebrate victory with dignity
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Thanks very much, very nice words Lem :cool:

One of the things i'll take from 21st September, 2008 is the dignity from Kerry folk i met on the Streets of Dublin. They were full of compliments & where a joy to be around whilst in the pubs & Borrrrrrrrrgor King :)

It must have looked strange seeing me & my girl wearing opposing County Colours walking hand-in-hand from Drumcondra & up O'Connell Street that day, but I think most felt it was very nice - well i did anyway :)
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Alright Cesc - glad you joined us mate :cool:

Yeah of course we're well up for the Hybrid series, although i dont fancy our chances to be honest. You's were very impressive in the footballing dept but thugs in the general, hope you dont mind me saying that :cool:

Great that we've addressed the tackle issue but i dont think our boys will have had the seesions to get it knuckled, but the 1st game shall tell me all I need to know!

Are you goin to any of the games man?
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Glad to be around. I do love Gaelic - so much fun to play, and I wish it was screened down here (it's probably on cable, but I don't have it).

Haha, course I don't mind you lot saying that. We did play a hard and thug-like game, physical intimidation helps put your players back in their shells as they'd generally be more skillful on the ball than ours. But really it was no different to how we play AFL down here.

Though we have to realise Gaelics a non-contact sport, and as our boys are all professional sportsmen whose whole lives evolve around Football. They train most days of the week, hit the gym and are all at the peak of physical condition... Compared to teachers, students and normal peoples.

I think I'll be going to the Melbourne game, I went last time it was on (it was that game) and it was fantastic. Though obviously it helps when our lads were hammering yours.

On a side note, I don't actually know who will be playing exactly, aside from the three from Hawthorn (the club I follow). I'll find the squad list and give a run-down of our players.
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Just like Black Beauty?

Whats the take on Carlow Brophs, or are just kidding?
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bazalini said:
More chance of Carlow winning the Barclaycard Premiership then a match in next years championship
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:D Baz summed it up nicely, I think. Being a Carlow man myself, I like to mention their name in conversations like these, that, to be honest, they have no right in being mentioned in.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Glad to be around. I do love Gaelic - so much fun to play, and I wish it was screened down here (it's probably on cable, but I don't have it).

Haha, course I don't mind you lot saying that. We did play a hard and thug-like game, physical intimidation helps put your players back in their shells as they'd generally be more skillful on the ball than ours. But really it was no different to how we play AFL down here.

Though we have to realise Gaelics a non-contact sport, and as our boys are all professional sportsmen whose whole lives evolve around Football. They train most days of the week, hit the gym and are all at the peak of physical condition... Compared to teachers, students and normal peoples.

I think I'll be going to the Melbourne game, I went last time it was on (it was that game) and it was fantastic. Though obviously it helps when our lads were hammering yours.

On a side note, I don't actually know who will be playing exactly, aside from the three from Hawthorn (the club I follow). I'll find the squad list and give a run-down of our players.
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It was nothing short of disgraceful. Men who kick ball for an incredibly well paid living trying to physically injure amateurs who have to go to the building site the following week to support their families.
 
brophs said:
:D Baz summed it up nicely, I think. Being a Carlow man myself, I like to mention their name in conversations like these, that, to be honest, they have no right in being mentioned in.
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Didnt know you were from Carlow Mr Brophy - thought you were a Dub judging by "location".

Anyway, you mention Carlow all you like mucker. Its good to hear news from other Counties aswell Brophs.

Whats your local club in Carlow man? I've heard of Eire Og, are they near you?

There's so many clubs in the Country called Eire Og, probably about 20 in Armagh alone - gobshites!!
 
PJ said:
It was nothing short of disgraceful. Men who kick ball for an incredibly well paid living trying to physically injure amateurs who have to go to the building site the following week to support their families.
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Yeah it was pretty bad, especially in retrospect.

Like I said, it was clear we tried to physically intimidate your boys because they were simply too good to let off the leash. If we made them second guess every time they went near the ball then we've gone halfway to winning the contest already.

I have to say though, some of your boys gave back as good as they got which was good to see.

We (being AFL supporters) absolutely love the hard contests, we absolutely
LOVE it. It's like a blood sport. And it's accentuated nowdays because the umpires and the League have been cracking down on hits and have slightly moved the game in a different direction - it's more oriented around being super fit, and tall, and quick. As opposed to back in the day when the tough hard players won the game.

(but that's just the natural progression of all sports really. We see it in European Football nowdays too - the big strong African lads who're tall, quick and strong as Ox's coming to prominence)

So we absolutely love it when games get really tough and hard. Bodies flying around, players jumping back into packs, cleaning up someone (legitimately of course). etc.

Which is why that game got a bit of a 'bad' reception from us Aussies, in terms of us having a winge about you guys complaining about the physicality.
 
Could anyone explain to me how Gaelic sides set-up?

Like what a typical 'formation' would be?
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Could anyone explain to me how Gaelic sides set-up?

Like what a typical 'formation' would be?
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Traditionally 3-3-2-3-3

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Right Corner back --------------- Fullback---------------Left Corner Back

Right Half Back-----------------Centre half back---------Light Half Back

----------------------------Midfield--------Midfield

Right Half Forward-----------Centre half Forward----------Left Half Forward

Right Corner Forward-----------Full Forward -------------Left Corner Foward
 
Red Hand Devil said:
Didnt know you were from Carlow Mr Brophy - thought you were a Dub judging by "location".

Anyway, you mention Carlow all you like mucker. Its good to hear news from other Counties aswell Brophs.

Whats your local club in Carlow man? I've heard of Eire Og, are they near you?

There's so many clubs in the Country called Eire Og, probably about 20 in Armagh alone - gobshites!!
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Nah, just a Dub through circumstance, I'm afraid. :(

Aye, Eire Og are about 300 metres down the road from us, although I always played for my Dad's old club, Tinryland, which are a bit out of town.

cesc's_mullet said:
Could anyone explain to me how Gaelic sides set-up?

Like what a typical 'formation' would be?
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Aye, Cesc.

They play 33233 of sorts. I'll try organise the positions, so they make sense. I bolded the central positions, as it makes it easier to read.

Goalie

Right Full back Full Back Left Full Back

Right half Back Centre Half Back Left half back

Centre Mid Centre Mid

Right half forward Centre half forward Left half forward

Right full forward Full Forward Left Full Forward​
 
However, there is a growing trend to play a two man full forward line, and bring the extra man out to midfield, to give the forwards more space and helo gain midfield possession.
 
PJ said:
Traditionally 3-3-2-3-3

----------------------------------Goalie

Right Corner back --------------- Fullback---------------Left Corner Back

Right Half Back-----------------Centre half back---------Light Half Back

----------------------------Midfield--------Midfield

Right Half Forward-----------Centre half Forward----------Left Half Forward

Right Corner Forward-----------Full Forward -------------Left Corner Foward
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feck's sake, PJ. I wasted loadssssssss of time on mine. You're on my fecking list, you.
 
PJ said:
Traditionally 3-3-2-3-3


Goalie
Right Corner back --------------- Fullback---------------Left Corner Back
Right Half Back--------------------Centre half back----------Light Half Back
----------------Midfield--------Midfield
Right Half Forward----------------Centre half Forward----------Left Half Forward
Right Corner Forward---------------Full Forward -------------Left Corner Foward
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Ah that's exactly the same as our AFL line-ups, except you've got two wingers and another two followers (midfielders) missing.

Back Pocket ----------------- Fullback ----------------- Back Pocket

Half-Back Flank ---------- Centre Half-Back ---------- Half-Back Flank

Wing ------------------------ Centre ------------------------- Wing

Half-Forward Flank ----- Centre Half-Forward ----- Half-Forward Flank

Forward Pocket ------------ Full Forward ------------ Forward Pocket

Followers: Ruckman, Ruck Rover, Rover

Then the Four man bench.
 
brophs said:
Aye, Cesc.

They play 33233 of sorts. I'll try organise the positions, so they make sense. I bolded the central positions, as it makes it easier to read.

Goalie

Right Full back Full Back Left Full Back

Right half Back Centre Half Back Left half back

Centre Mid Centre Mid

Right half forward Centre half forward Left half forward

Right full forward Full Forward Left Full Forward​
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Haha, see above mate. It's exactly the same set-up as ours really.

Where do you boys play?

For my side I generally play Half-Back Flank (right/left, doesn't matter), Wing or in the midfield.

And out of curiosity, who's regarded as the best attacking back flanker in the Irish League?
 
Tyrone play something like this

15 Defenders & 14 Attackers


Goalie

Right Full back/ Forward Full Back / Forward Left Full Back / Forward

Right half Back / Forward Centre Half Back / Forward Left half back / Forward

Centre Mid Centre Mid

Right half forward / Back Centre half forward / Back Left half forward / Back
Right full forward / Back Full Forward / Back Left Full Forward / Back

:);):)
 
cesc's_mullet said:
Haha, see above mate. It's exactly the same set-up as ours really.

Where do you boys play?

For my side I generally play Half-Back Flank (right/left, doesn't matter), Wing or in the midfield.

And out of curiosity, who's regarded as the best attacking back flanker in the Irish League?
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To be honest man, the half forward line in every County is very inter-changeable so the top County players will roam all around these areas but i'd say on current form (2008 Championship) Brian Dooher would be my pick: http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=7JGwLgCRXFU&feature=related
 
Red Hand Devil said:
To be honest man, the half forward line in every County is very inter-changeable so the top County players will roam all around these areas but i'd say on current form (2008 Championship) Brian Dooher would be my pick: http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=7JGwLgCRXFU&feature=related
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That pass from the the number 7 at half-back, to the forward line at the start was absolutely superb.

And Dooher looks like he can play a bit, love how he could hold off the guy and kept his balance (and possession) all whilst at full speed. I have a strange fascination with half-backs / attacking defenders, so I think Dooher shall be my newly adopted favourite player.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
That pass from the the number 7 at half-back, to the forward line at the start was absolutely superb.

And Dooher looks like he can play a bit. I have a strange fascination with half-backs / attacking defenders, so I think Dooher shall be my newly adopted favourite player.
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He's a Tyrone legend Cesc. You should check out some of the other clips of the Tyrone team!

Try this one for starters: http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=cyeE9Xtksbc&feature=related
 
Gobo said:
where do Kilkenny fit into this new format?:confused:
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Red Hand Devil said:
Sorry mate i'm showing my limited knowledge of the Hurling Format already in place. I forgot its a different set up than that of the Football, so it wouldnt be affected i guess!

Sorry about the confusion Gobo - Go Kilkenny :cool:
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I was only joking tbf. Kilkenny wouldn't want to partake in that auld foreign sport anyway, a load of fecking pulling and dragging. ;)

On a serious note though, if you think football championship is changing you should take a look at the hurling. Antrim and Galway in the Leinster championship and Westmeath want to compete in Ulster.:wenger:

Anyway the Cats for 4 in a row.:cool::cool::cool::cool:
 
My knowledge of Hurling is limited, but from an "outsider's" point of view, it appears that the provincial element is slowly being eroded, and the respective championships becoming almost like the national leagues, with ulster being div 2 to leinster's div 1.
 
Gobo said:
I was only joking tbf. Kilkenny wouldn't want to partake in that auld foreign sport anyway, a load of fecking pulling and dragging. ;)

On a serious note though, if you think football championship is changing you should take a look at the hurling. Antrim and Galway in the Leinster championship and Westmeath want to compete in Ulster.:wenger:

Anyway the Cats for 4 in a row.:cool::cool::cool::cool:
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Funny bastard ye :lol::lol:

Yeah its weird set up havin non-provincial Counties competing outside their own province for the title, but on the other hand, Antrim & Galway are frustrated with "lack of competition" in their respective Provinces, so in a way you've got to admire them for takin the plunge to better the Hurling in their County :cool:

West Meath cant play in the Ulster Provincial Championship next year as the draw has already been made for the Ulster Hurling Championship, but they should be fine for year after 2010! Not sure why they want to compete in Ulster as the competition in Leinster would be better for them, but maybe they feel that they're not improving like the rest of the Counties in Leinster & by competing in Ulster - a lesser quality Hurling Province, they can generate more interest & momentum in the years to come!

As regards to Provincial importance, I think GAA in general is becoming more & more professional in terms of performance & training, so there's a thirst to keep improving. The backdoor system is not an alternative method of winning Sam & Liam but a second chance. Counties dont set out to lose during the Provincial Championship rounds - that would be disgraceful, like all teams a momentum of games to improve performance & fitness levels are required to achieve success!

I like Mickey Hartes suggestion though - the Provincial winners get a second chance at the quarter-final stage if they lose!
 
PJ said:
Your opinion, RHD?

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Its a fecking disgrace.... I got 3 phonecalls off fecking prodie friends poking fun at me, while it made headline news on BBC & back page Belfast Telegraph which only annoys me more...

As a manager of a team to do that he deserves not to have anything to do with GAA again....

Anyway I have a whole 5 hour opinion on the GAA up north... They put too much value on it...Its a sport FFS
 
I take it the manager's the one with the black beany... Poor form, no manager should get physically involved, unless it's breaking up the biffo.


On a side, and somewhat less contraversial (;)), note - this is why our sport's the better code (and duly the best sport ever):


and here's a longer (and better) one, from last year:

the ninja scissor kick at 9:15 there would put all other scissor kicks to shame
 
Scrap all those, unless you're keen. 'Cos here's one from THIS season:

 
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