I think if we sign him we'll be selling Aguero
Alexis Sanchez | Staying at Arsenal after City deal falls apart
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) are here to discuss Amad saving our blushes in a win against Southampton as well as our now annual loss at home to Brighton. They discuss Amorim's post-match comments, revisit how mid-table we may or may not be, and discuss some transfer news.
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I tend to agree, I think Pep will start to phase him out this season regardless. Had Jesus not got injured last year he'd have played much less.
Is it completely out of the question that United could sign him?
If he's willing to go to city, why wouldn't he go to United? Similar geographically and a much more attractive club.
If Arsenal would accept a city offer, why not a United one?
Why wouldn't Mourinho want him? He plays in a position he needs, is absolutely class and in his prime (and it'd be one over Wenger)
And United can afford him.
If he's willing to go to city, why wouldn't he go to United? Similar geographically and a much more attractive club.
If Arsenal would accept a city offer, why not a United one?
Why wouldn't Mourinho want him? He plays in a position he needs, is absolutely class and in his prime (and it'd be one over Wenger)
And United can afford him.
Whatever hope City have of signing him we have none simply because Arsenal wont sell to us after RvP. Add in Wengers intense dislike of Jose as well for another reason.
I say we offer them stupid money (75-80 million) and see how they react. At the very least price City out. (Assuming they are hoping for 60 ish).
Arsenal won't sell to us. Their goal is top 4 and they probably think it would be easier to take our top 4 spot than City's. They probably view City as title contenders and us as their direct competition for what they hope to achieve.
Thats it exactly... He was not overly happy with pep.
Its just lazy reporting, the big reunion!
Like Arsene himself suggested, if we are to deal with Arsenal for a transfer, leave the managers out of it and do it at boardroom level. How can we do that? Have Ed make them an offer that they are forced to consider. That gets him in a room with them. He'll do the rest from there.
An £80m bid for him will turn the heads of the board, regardless where it comes from.
Not to mention, would the board even take Wenger's consideration into it at this stage anyway? I can't imagine Arsene not liking Jose will stop the board selling to us.
I'm not sure I get this. I'm not aware that we conducted that transfer dishonourably, so surely the lesson from the van Persie move is not "don't deal with United" but "don't sell your best player to direct rivals"... and realistically these days that includes City as much as United.
So you're leaving the manger completely out of the equation?
He could be Mourinho's "RvP" if he does come. He is simply a winner and won't buckle under the pressure. Not to mention being the perfect mentor to Martial as they play more or less the same position. Just have to wonder whether Sanchez is looking for more money, win trophies and/or wanting to be the main man that is to play in CF.
Do you think an out of favour manager gets much say in this if someone comes in with a mega bid?
Is he out of favour? If he was, don't think he would have been offered a new contract.
Makes no difference really
I would sacrifice a DM in the team to have Alexis at United. Pogba and Herrera can anchor midfield while this guy can score goals and do the dirty work up top himself
If Alexis is available, Man Utd has to try to sign him. No questions about it.
He's the only winger that I would take priority over a CM/DM. I think a central partner for Pogberrera is and should be our next main concern, but this guy would take all the pressure off of our other players and complete our attacking line. With Sanchez in our front three, we would have the ability to play our other 7 outfield players behind the ball( not that im suggesting that). He would cause the opposition to greatly fear us again, something we've been missing since we signed the last Arsenal player RvP
If City sign him they'll win the league.
I also think he's better than Aguero and even if they sell Aguero they'll have improved given Sanchez actually stays fit and has a better mentality IMO.
I also think he's better than Aguero and even if they sell Aguero they'll have improved given Sanchez actually stays fit and has a better mentality IMO.
Absolutely. But I doubt this is happening. There seems to be no real noise surrounding Sanchez and us and a very loud noise surrounding Perisic and us. Both City and United need that top class wide player. Would be strange if the two clubs got those players respectively given the gulf in quality.
I don't buy that at all. Alexis is exactly the same player he was at Barca. The difference at Arsenal is the manager believes in him and treats him as the key man. I'm certain Pep would do no such thing. For me Alexis is either going to Chelsea or abroad if he ever leaves Arsenal.
That's probably very close to the truth.
The Wenger/Mourinho mutual loathing would be set aside if the money was right but it would make no sense to strengthen a direct rival into your potential CL spot.
Probably for a similar fee as well.
I think that RvP excuse is nonsense. city have signed half Arsenal's squad since that boring Shiekh took over city. So many that I couldn't even name them all. Adebayor, Toure, Nasri etc. And they would have taken RvP off of them too, if the player hadn't rejected them in favour of United. Maybe they won't accept any offer for him, which they have every right to do. But if they accepted X amount from city, and United matched it, there's no reason for them to reject us and not them.
Well then they're stupid. There's no reason currently why city will definitely finish above United.
Might want to play in an attacking team with a good style of football though, arsenal and city have a similar way of playing as oppose to united who are quite the opposite.
city's style is overrated just because they've got the former manager of a prime Messi, Iniesta and Xavi. Every time I've tried to watch city last season, they were unwatchable.
How much is Sanchez worth to them if he plays a whole year and ends his contract?
- Probably 30m gbp with the Champions League income from getting 4th in 2018.
- A way to hold on to Arsenal's ambitions - If he leaves, other players would too. Arsenal could become dross and worse than 6th.
On the other hand
- After a year with 3rd-6th place in 2018, Sanchez ambitions still wont be satisfied, and will leave for free for a competing PL side or Real Madrid / Bayern.
So if he is to leave for 50m gbp - that's a 20m gbp net-loss if they get CL - I say that's a cheap price for holding on to other players, and remaining ambitious at a turmoil time.
That's why he's estimated at around 80 m gbp
... which seems unaffordable for Bayern. I'd say 70-80 m could tip him over.
City have spent 76 m gbp and need to spend around 40-50 on Walker + 5m on Alves and 30-50 on Mendy / LB. They ammortise their buys over for instance a 5-6 year period, so they wont have problems committing to FFP. For instance Stones was bought for 47m gbp but ammortized as 7,9 m gbp a year.
But:
It would cost Arsenal 13.5 m gbp a year more than what they pay him in wages to extend Sanchez contract at 400.000 in weekly wages - 13.5 m gbp for competing sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
TLDR: My guess is that Arsenal will try and cough up a new contract for Sanchez. Only his own ambitions and a no to becoming the second highest earner in the world in football can make him move. The thing is, he would probably be a really high earner and win stuff at other clubs too.
- Probably 30m gbp with the Champions League income from getting 4th in 2018.
- A way to hold on to Arsenal's ambitions - If he leaves, other players would too. Arsenal could become dross and worse than 6th.
On the other hand
- After a year with 3rd-6th place in 2018, Sanchez ambitions still wont be satisfied, and will leave for free for a competing PL side or Real Madrid / Bayern.
So if he is to leave for 50m gbp - that's a 20m gbp net-loss if they get CL - I say that's a cheap price for holding on to other players, and remaining ambitious at a turmoil time.
That's why he's estimated at around 80 m gbp
... which seems unaffordable for Bayern. I'd say 70-80 m could tip him over.
City have spent 76 m gbp and need to spend around 40-50 on Walker + 5m on Alves and 30-50 on Mendy / LB. They ammortise their buys over for instance a 5-6 year period, so they wont have problems committing to FFP. For instance Stones was bought for 47m gbp but ammortized as 7,9 m gbp a year.
But:
It would cost Arsenal 13.5 m gbp a year more than what they pay him in wages to extend Sanchez contract at 400.000 in weekly wages - 13.5 m gbp for competing sounds like a pretty good deal to me.
TLDR: My guess is that Arsenal will try and cough up a new contract for Sanchez. Only his own ambitions and a no to becoming the second highest earner in the world in football can make him move. The thing is, he would probably be a really high earner and win stuff at other clubs too.
'NO SANCHEZ TRANSFER REQUEST'
Alexis Sanchez has not asked to leave Arsenal and is expected to remain at the club, according to manager Arsene Wenger.
When asked if Sanchez had informed him that he wanted to leave the club, Wenger said: "No."
He added: "I think the easiest way to manage a player is in the final year of his contract. It is in his interest to do as well as he can.
"Nobody knows today if Sanchez will be on his final year of his contract next season, because he can extend his contract with us at the start of the season or during the season. So it is not necessarily the last year of his contract at Arsenal Football Club."
Alexis Sanchez has not asked to leave Arsenal and is expected to remain at the club, according to manager Arsene Wenger.
When asked if Sanchez had informed him that he wanted to leave the club, Wenger said: "No."
He added: "I think the easiest way to manage a player is in the final year of his contract. It is in his interest to do as well as he can.
"Nobody knows today if Sanchez will be on his final year of his contract next season, because he can extend his contract with us at the start of the season or during the season. So it is not necessarily the last year of his contract at Arsenal Football Club."
My point exactly. Throw money at them and see what happens.
Id imagine the board would probably have to take his thoughts in to consideration, generally the board overruling a managers opinion on transfers in football doesn't end well.
Exactly. The RvP transfer was all above board, my point being that they probably (finally) learned their lesson about strengthening rivals while losing their best player. Having lost half the team to City over a few seasons RvP had the final straw for the club considering how well that turned out for us and the backlash they got from their fans. Guard of honour at the Emirates
But.......on the other hand the fiasco that was last season with the whole new contract for Wenger fiasco shows that the fans aren't exactly the priority for the Arsenal board so hopefully they are stupid enough to sell Sanchez to us.
Was nothing about us signing Lukaku either, was all done n dusted to chelsea and the london media mafia made sure the world knew their bias.
And the way Sanchez is acting is very Lukaku esc, as in he knows his future and is revealing nothing but almost hinting he is off but to where? Then everyone does the lazy Lukaku reporting assuming he is off to his old manager. Wenger doesn't want him to go but knows he can not hold a player who wants out so is demanding the transfer request is handed in. Its only at this point he will be sold.
Indeed he may well up at city, but just because its in them rags wont convince me. And just because we are all quiet about it doesn't mean we have not agreed with him.
The James deal certainly means we're not in for him (anymore?).
Looks like he priced himself out of a Bayern move with crazy salary demands. City or Arsenal (new contract) for him now surely.
A Sanchez is signing is too good to be true.
Lukaku
Sanchez------------------Mkhitaryan
Pogba----Herrera
New Signing
Shaw Lindelöf Bailly Valencia
De Gea
How good does that look? I can't imagine that we'd struggle for goals with a front three of that calibre. I hope we are at least testing the water on this one.Sanchez------------------Mkhitaryan
Pogba----Herrera
New Signing
Shaw Lindelöf Bailly Valencia
De Gea
Sanchez was rumoured to jon Bayern,but not anymore. He has also been linked aplenty with City, but strangely there has been not much movement it seems. Reminds me of how Lukaku was "suppposed to join" Chelsea -another major hijack on the cards?
Sanchez would get us back at the top for sure. But i don't believe we will sign him.
Sanchez clearly has eyes only for City, strange he wouldn't be interested in a club like Bayern but given he only wanted London when he left Barca location is obviously a factor for him
No chance in hell that we're not in for him. We can offer whatever City is bidding.
No one saw the Lukaku deal coming either. We just work under the radar more than Chelsea / City so it doesnt look embarrasing in case we fail.
No one saw the Lukaku deal coming either. We just work under the radar more than Chelsea / City so it doesnt look embarrasing in case we fail.
I think more to do with Arsenal not entertaining selling him to a rival. Sanchez won't end up at United for two reasons imo. If Wenger sells him, City will be interested, and he will choose to play for Pep.
Both teams were less successful than us last season. Besides, Sanchez style suits a more direct style of football , like how he plays for Chile. Tiki taka is not making the most of his talents.
Sanchez would be a fantastic for us, but the likelihood of Arsenal selling him to us is pretty low. I do think we're working on something big though and Lukaku won't be our only major signing this summer.
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