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I think you're disregarding the fact that 1. Sanchez doesnt want to stay at Arsenal and 2. he has one year on his contract. Arsenal absolutely have no hand in this. You have no bargaining power.

think you're disregarding the fact that sanchez still has a 1 year contract so arsenal have full power on what is to be done with him for this summer transfer window.

Folks talking like everything is outwith the club's hands. Sanchez can decide what he wants, but arsenal do not have to listen to it at all.
 
think you're disregarding the fact that sanchez still has a 1 year contract so arsenal have full power on what is to be done with him for this summer transfer window.

Folks talking like everything is outwith the club's hands. Sanchez can decide what he wants, but arsenal do not have to listen to it at all.
They don't, but track record of the Arsenal bored says they take decisions in context of the full situation. Particularly when money is involved. I'm convinced Arsenal will consider selling because I know with 1 year left on his deal City would sell Aguero for £50m no problem, and Arsenal pockets are much tighter.
 
They don't, but track record of the Arsenal bored says they take decisions in context of the full situation. Particularly when money is involved. I'm convinced Arsenal will consider selling because I know with 1 year left on his deal City would sell Aguero for £50m no problem, and Arsenal pockets are much tighter.

yes i know, i figured i'd clarify things as the way things were discussed it sounded like quite the opposite.

We are not a poverty club by any means, just have cheapskates in charge at all the higher up positions who look for any opportunity to pocket the money than re-invest it in the clubs. Especially, the prick Kroenke who takes the money and re-invests it in ranches, his failing NFL teams and anything else not related to arsenal.
 
Any club on the planet would sell for 50 mil in Arsenal's position if the players is going to walk on a free in the summer.

If Sanchez is determined to go, he will leave this summer. No question.
 
The vast majority of great teams were successful with a squad of world class players. It's common sense to build a team with that goal in mind. What makes Guardiola different to most managers is that he can successfully manage a squad of world class players. That's one of the things that made Sir Alex great. We don't look back at the 2008 team and say "sure, we won the league and CL, but Sir Alex didn't have much to do - we had Rooney, Tevez, Giggs, Ronaldo, Scholes, Carrick, Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand and VdS". We praise him because he was able to build that team and knit it together.

There's a huge difference between a team that is world class in hindsight and a team that is bought to be world class.

You look at our world class 2008 team and who was brought in as world class... VDS, Evra, Vidic, Park, Nani, O'Shea, Fletcher, Ronaldo, Tevez, Anderson, Berbatov, Carrick, Hargreaves, Brown... none were world class.

World class is usually defined by achievements, which in turn is usually defined by great teams coming together under good managers. Over the last decade we've had 4 truly great teams in United, Barcelona, Bayern & Real.

How many of those teams have been "built" as world class? Real possibly?

The model of "world class teams dominate" so buy world class playera is great... Except reality shows that a great team creates great players, not the other way around.

Dortmund & Monaco are prime examples. Their players aren't all world class, but the sum of all parts is greater than the individuals. That was always the case with Fergie... Put Vidic in Wengers back 4 and he may well look like a donkey. Put Park in Chelsea's squad and he may have never played.

I'd love to sign Sanchez but I'd prefer us to be looking at our squad in 8 years and saying "of course we won 4 PL titles, 2 CLs, 3 FA Cups and 2 League Cups... We had Martial, Mata, Mkhitaryan, Rashford, Pogba, DDG, Bailly, Jones, Herrera, Shaw, X and Y... World class players make a world class team".

That's on Jose.
 
There's a huge difference between a team that is world class in hindsight and a team that is bought to be world class.

You look at our world class 2008 team and who was brought in as world class... VDS, Evra, Vidic, Park, Nani, O'Shea, Fletcher, Ronaldo, Tevez, Anderson, Berbatov, Carrick, Hargreaves, Brown... none were world class.

World class is usually defined by achievements, which in turn is usually defined by great teams coming together under good managers. Over the last decade we've had 4 truly great teams in United, Barcelona, Bayern & Real.

How many of those teams have been "built" as world class? Real possibly?

The model of "world class teams dominate" so buy world class playera is great... Except reality shows that a great team creates great players, not the other way around.

Dortmund & Monaco are prime examples. Their players aren't all world class, but the sum of all parts is greater than the individuals. That was always the case with Fergie... Put Vidic in Wengers back 4 and he may well look like a donkey. Put Park in Chelsea's squad and he may have never played.

I'd love to sign Sanchez but I'd prefer us to be looking at our squad in 8 years and saying "of course we won 4 PL titles, 2 CLs, 3 FA Cups and 2 League Cups... We had Martial, Mata, Mkhitaryan, Rashford, Pogba, DDG, Bailly, Jones, Herrera, Shaw, X and Y... World class players make a world class team".

That's on Jose.

The way I see it there's only ever been two types of great teams: ones with exceptional crops of youngsters with world class players added to it, or a team with world class players added to it over a number of years.

Personally I would describe Rio, Rooney and Ronaldo as players fully expected to develop into world class players, and Tevez as a ready made one. No doubt Vidic, Evra and even VdS were a long way off that when we signed them and Sir Alex did exceptional work with the rest of the squad, but he had a core group of exceptional youth players (Scholes, Giggs and arguably Neville) and exceptional purchases (Rio, Rooney and arguably Ronaldo).

If we compare that to what Guardiola's doing, he doesn't have an exceptional crop of young players so he's doing the next best thing by bringing in the likes of Sane, Silva, Ederson, Stones and Jesus, none of whom are yet world class but all of whom could well be. I can't see how any criticism of Guardiola holds up here. He's been asked to create a team capable of winning the UCL and he's done in it in a way that allows the team to develop organically with a core group of possibly exceptional talents, supported by world class players in Silva, de Bruyne and Aguero.

In terms of great teams built largely off buying world class players, you can look to what is arguably the greatest team of all time as an example: Madrid in the late 50s and early 60s. Santamaría, di Stefano and Puskas were the spine of that time and the source of their success - di Stéfano was 27 from Argentina, Santamaría was 28 from Uruguay and Puskás was 31 from Hungary, and they obviously all came with pedigree. On top of that their keeper Domínguez was Argentinian and was brought in at 26, following 2 years of being voted the best keeper in Latin America. The majority of their Spanish players were brought in from other teams too.

I might be misunderstanding you here because you could be making one of two points: a) great teams are not necessarily filled with world class players, and many important members of the squad were a long way from it or b) great teams are very rarely built inorganically, most success comes from organic development of the squad. I agree fully with the former but I think Madrid's first great team show that latter is possible. In any case, I don't think Guardiola's done anything to suggest he's going about building the squad in the wrong way. If anything he's following the approach almost every great team that doesn't possess an exceptional crop of youth players has taken before him.

RE: United and Mourinho, I agree.
 
Any club on the planet would sell for 50 mil in Arsenal's position if the players is going to walk on a free in the summer.

If Sanchez is determined to go, he will leave this summer. No question.

I disagree.

Liverpool didn't sell Suarez in the same position to a PL rival and Dortmund refused to sell Lewandowski to Bayern with 1 year left.

Both clubs made the correct choice. Without Suarez and Lewandowski its very likely those clubs would not even have made the CL the next year. Arsenal have no chance making the CL next year without Sanchez. That essentially negates the simplistic economic argument. CL + CL money in 2018 summer is a far better option than 50 mil for Sanchez this summer. Plus both Liverpool and Dortmund were able to salvage some dignity and leverage in future dealings as second tier clubs. Arsenal sells Sanchez to a PL rival and they look extremely weak. They look like a completely unambitious third tier club below Liverpool and Dortmund.

Then you have all the other problems with selling to a PL rival. It makes no difference if its City, United or Chelsea, if Arsenal sell to any of those three this summer there will be a massive meltdown with the fans and the environment from Community Shield onward will turn vicious. It will make last year look like jolly good times.

Wenger also would personally benefit far more with keeping Sanchez and he knows it. He well knows he can't replace Sanchez' production with 50M. Let Sanchez leave and finish 6th and Wenger's legacy loses a lot of polish. Keep Alexis and resurge into the Top 4 perhaps with an European trophy and Wenger's legacy gains a little polish its already lost. I don't think Wenger is stupid nor selfless. He is desperate to keep Alexis and like Dortmund and Liverpool at key moments, I think Wenger will do everything to keep Sanchez for another year even we lose him for free. And Wenger's contract proves he still has some influence.

Also before it gets mentioned, neither Suarez nor Lewandowski downed tools when their club refused to sell with 1 year left. In fact both had superb seasons. Like Suarez and Lewandowski, I can't imagine Alexis downing tools if he doesn't get to go to City, United or Chelsea this summer.
 
It would be extremely selfish of Arsenal to hold Sanchez to the full contact time. Everyone knows that last year of a contract is there to ensure a transfer fee is given. I mean, after all he's given the club the least they could do is the right thing. Give him one last chance in his career to come to a big club and win something while he's still a young man. Arsenal as a team would also benefit from that by getting a more balanced squad not have only one leg to stand on.
 
It would be extremely selfish of Arsenal to hold Sanchez to the full contact time. Everyone knows that last year of a contract is there to ensure a transfer fee is given. I mean, after all he's given the club the least they could do is the right thing. Give him one last chance in his career to come to a big club and win something while he's still a young man. Arsenal as a team would also benefit from that by getting a more balanced squad not have only one leg to stand on.

I'm pretty sure Arsenal would be happy selling him to Bayern who are big club. It doesn't really matter how much Sanchez has given to the club, selling your best player to your rival just causes the club to lose respect in the eyes of its supporters especially since they haven't made it to Champions League football for next season. It's perfectly fine for Arsenal to be selfish because they need to look out for themselves and it won't be long when every player they have start pulling the similar stunt what Sanchez is.
 
It would be extremely selfish of Arsenal to hold Sanchez to the full contact time. Everyone knows that last year of a contract is there to ensure a transfer fee is given. I mean, after all he's given the club the least they could do is the right thing. Give him one last chance in his career to come to a big club and win something while he's still a young man. Arsenal as a team would also benefit from that by getting a more balanced squad not have only one leg to stand on.


There is no indication that Sanchez even cares about trying to force a move to City this summer so this is just rubbish.

And Liverpool and Dortmund both benefited more from being selfish. I would rather my club be selfish than be City's feeder club ffs
 
It would be extremely selfish of Arsenal to hold Sanchez to the full contact time. Everyone knows that last year of a contract is there to ensure a transfer fee is given. I mean, after all he's given the club the least they could do is the right thing. Give him one last chance in his career to come to a big club and win something while he's still a young man. Arsenal as a team would also benefit from that by getting a more balanced squad not have only one leg to stand on.

I'm looking for the white text or missed sarcasm statement.....
 
Selfish to hold him to his contract :wenger:

Anyways, as much as Arsenal would hate to sell to City, they don't really have an option. Bayern have withdrawn interest due to his wage demands. Real and Barca could afford him but have no use for him. Arsenal can only hope that PSG come in but I'd fully expect Sanchez to force a move to City even if they did and no club can turn down 50mil for a player who'd leave for free in a year, it's just not feasible as they have a business to run.
 
Sanchez still could run 120 minutes against Portugal with attacking prowess in him. His stamina perhaps on par with Vidal. He is strong even is not tall. He can assist, can drible, shoot with power, and track back. He also has a fighting spirit.

If he is not there, Arsenal will be a shit team.

He is the player of Aguero should also be...

And we, Manchester United, does not even try to make a bid ?

Rather than fight for Sanchez, we are going to gamble with some unproven mega expensive attackers (1-2 season wonders) a la Morata (never rate him that high), Belotti (1 season wonder from weaker league), Mbappe (half season wonder, 120 million potential my arse, wait for second season, he may be a new Martial)...

Agents and clubs know we desperately need the strenghten, and we have the money. That is why some of them trying to rob us. Perisic for 40-50 million ? Deary me.

We need priority, EPL or Champions League. We can not win them all, not now. Considering, top clubs in Europe currently in more stable position, we should prioritize EPL more. Look at Spurs, they were shit in Europe, but almost win EPL.

If City get Sanchez, cheeky bid for Aguerro should be considered. If Zlatan can score 20 goals with our impotent attack, Aguerro will overscore him by 10 goals.

Just my 2 cents
 
no club can turn down 50mil for a player who'd leave for free in a year, it's just not feasible as they have a business to run.

Disagree 100%. Liverpool and Dortmund as I explained above. You aren't looking at all the economic variables at play here.
 
Both clubs made the correct choice. Without Suarez and Lewandowski its very likely those clubs would not even have made the CL the next year. Arsenal have no chance making the CL next year without Sanchez. That essentially negates the simplistic economic argument. CL + CL money in 2018 summer is a far better option than 50 mil for Sanchez this summer. Plus both Liverpool and Dortmund were able to salvage some dignity and leverage in future dealings as second tier clubs. Arsenal sells Sanchez to a PL rival and they look extremely weak. They look like a completely unambitious third tier club below Liverpool and Dortmund.
That's true, but there's also no guarantee that Arsenal will make the CL even if they keep Sanchez. In fact, it doesn't look guaranteed for any of the top 6 given the competition and how 1-2 rival signings could completely shift such a tight contest. Keeping Sanchez without signing him to a new contract will be extremely risky business for Arsenal.

I agree with the rest of what you say. Selling Sanchez without a big name replacement will enrage the fans, especially losing him to a PL rival. I don't think he would down tools either, doesn't seem that sort of character.
 
That's true, but there's also no guarantee that Arsenal will make the CL even if they keep Sanchez. In fact, it doesn't look guaranteed for any of the top 6 given the competition and how 1-2 rival signings could completely shift such a tight contest. Keeping Sanchez without signing him to a new contract will be extremely risky business for Arsenal.

I agree with the rest of what you say. Selling Sanchez without a big name replacement will enrage the fans, especially losing him to a PL rival. I don't think he would down tools either, doesn't seem that sort of character.

Who Dares, Wins no?

You're right its no guarantee in keeping him that Arsenal make Top 4 but I think its close to a guarantee that without him Arsenal has no chance at Top 4. But to me its a risk Arsenal have to take otherwise the long term risk of losing Alexis is even greater (decrease reputation = decreased global fan base = decreased sponsorships in the future). With Liverpool and Tottenham trying to make moves I think this is an essential risk otherwise the long term damage could be a lot greater than losing 50M this summer.
 
Disagree 100%. Liverpool and Dortmund as I explained above. You aren't looking at all the economic variables at play here.
Bayern were lowballing Dortmund with a 20mil offer iirc. 50mil is a whole different amount of money. Was Suarez down to the last year of his contract? I didn't know that, give you that one but I do think the only reason he signed an extension would have been with the guarantee of getting the move a year later. If you guys can convince Sanchez of the same, you should do that but I can't see it happening because Sanchez knows Real and Barca aren't coming in for him and Bayern won't pay him what he wants so waiting doesn't solve any purpose for him.
 
Who Dares, Wins no?

You're right its no guarantee in keeping him that Arsenal make Top 4 but I think its close to a guarantee that without him Arsenal has no chance at Top 4. But to me its a risk Arsenal have to take otherwise the long term risk of losing Alexis is even greater (decrease reputation = decreased global fan base = decreased sponsorships in the future). With Liverpool and Tottenham trying to make moves I think this is an essential risk otherwise the long term damage could be a lot greater than losing 50M this summer.
It depends on how much money Arsenal really have at their disposal (that they're willing to spend). I think the soft factors like reputation, fan base, sponsorships etc are not going to matter much. Those rarely are swayed much by a single transfer and Arsenal's brand of late is built on playing style rather than success. If Arsenal have the money where even if they miss out on CL next season they can still afford to buy a star to replace Sanchez, they might risk it. Otherwise it would be a complete disaster.

As fans we want the club to take bigger risks to achieve immediate success because that's what we're desperate for, but to club management its often stability and long term profit that's more important. And Arsenal are the best example of that prioritization. I highly doubt Arsenal will keep Sanchez another year, unless they can convince him to sign a new contract under a promise he can go next summer.
 
Bayern were lowballing Dortmund with a 20mil offer iirc. 50mil is a whole different amount of money. Was Suarez down to the last year of his contract? I didn't know that, give you that one but I do think the only reason he signed an extension would have been with the guarantee of getting the move a year later. If you guys can convince Sanchez of the same, you should do that but I can't see it happening because Sanchez knows Real and Barca aren't coming in for him and Bayern won't pay him what he wants so waiting doesn't solve any purpose for him.

20mil in 2013 is not all that different than 50mil in 2017. First problem is no way can his production be replaced by 50 mil so already in selling Alexis, Arsenal is losing value on the pitch.

Then there is this chain reaction to avoid. two years old but newest I could find briefly. The trends are the same.

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Chelsea and Liverpool have been growing their commercial revenue at a faster pace than Arsenal. Sell Sanchez this summer and as I mentioned Arsenal loses reputation, which means decreasing global fanbase and exposure which means a lot less money in commercial revenue over the next decade. Finish 6th or even 7th next year without Sanchez and Arsenal will probably fall well behind in Chelsea and Liverpool in the next round of commercial deals. That is far more important, keeping up on the commercial side world wide than just pocketing 50 mil this summer.

Arsenal can afford to keep Alexis for another year and let him go for free. They absolutely cannot afford the permanent loss of reputation and eventual commercial income over a decade if they sell Sanchez to a PL rival this summer. and allowing Chelsea and Liverpool to keep outpacing in commercial revenue growth.
 
Bayern were lowballing Dortmund with a 20mil offer iirc. 50mil is a whole different amount of money. Was Suarez down to the last year of his contract? I didn't know that, give you that one but I do think the only reason he signed an extension would have been with the guarantee of getting the move a year later. If you guys can convince Sanchez of the same, you should do that but I can't see it happening because Sanchez knows Real and Barca aren't coming in for him and Bayern won't pay him what he wants so waiting doesn't solve any purpose for him.
 
It depends on how much money Arsenal really have at their disposal (that they're willing to spend).

That doesn't matter this summer imo. We have the money for Mbappe but if he chooses not to come (almost certain) there is simply no other available player in the world that could replace Sanchez at Arsenal and definitely not for 50 mil.

So there is already a lot of lost value on the pitch without an available player to replace it even if the money is there. That lost value on the pitch will probably translate to a poor league finish and no CL for a second year will absolutely affect our next round of commercial negotiations. If Liverpool solidify CL next year (with their EC history) and Arsenal finish 6th again, that could very easily start a negative feedback loop for Arsenal where Liverpool continually outpaces on commercial revenue.
 
20mil in 2013 is not all that different than 50mil in 2017. First problem is no way can his production be replaced by 50 mil so already in selling Alexis, Arsenal is losing value on the pitch.

Then there is this chain reaction to avoid. two years old but newest I could find briefly. The trends are the same.

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Chelsea and Liverpool have been growing their commercial revenue at a faster pace than Arsenal. Sell Sanchez this summer and as I mentioned Arsenal loses reputation, which means decreasing global fanbase and exposure which means a lot less money in commercial revenue over the next decade. Finish 6th or even 7th next year without Sanchez and Arsenal will probably fall well behind in Chelsea and Liverpool in the next round of commercial deals. That is far more important, keeping up on the commercial side world wide than just pocketing 50 mil this summer.

Arsenal can afford to keep Alexis for another year and let him go for free. They absolutely cannot afford the permanent loss of reputation and eventual commercial income over a decade if they sell Sanchez to a PL rival this summer. and allowing Chelsea and Liverpool to keep outpacing in commercial revenue growth.

Arsenal are too big a club and Sanchez too small a name for the kind of impact you're predicting. Sure, you'll lose face but the hit on the reputation or commercial income won't be to the extent you've mentioned. Moreover, even with Sanchez, you aren't guaranteed any of the things you mentioned on the pitch and the owners know that. You had him this season and finished 5th. If you force him to stay against his wish turning down 50mil which he and anyone else would consider a very good offer given his contract situation, what's to say he'll perform better and you'll finish higher as a team? The league's too competitive for that.

I do agree you're never replacing his quality with 50mil but you'll still sell him unless he agrees to stay a year with a guaranteed move next season but that'll surprise me as it has no upside for him.
 
I think Arsenal are screwed on this one, it would be better if Sanchez was 25 but at 29/30 this is bis last shot at a big pay day and playing for a realistic CL challenger (if City get him on top of who they already have they will be), given how unpredictable the football world is he can't afford not to move this year imo. I think this means Sanchez will force the move and when Arsenal are put against the wall with an enticing £50m fee for a player in his last year they will sell. Its just a matter of managing the optics by making Sanchez pull offall the dirty shit that will make him plublic enemy number one at the Emirates and make Arsenal look like they had no choice in the matter.
 
That doesn't matter this summer imo. We have the money for Mbappe but if he chooses not to come (almost certain) there is simply no other available player in the world that could replace Sanchez at Arsenal and definitely not for 50 mil.

So there is already a lot of lost value on the pitch without an available player to replace it even if the money is there. That lost value on the pitch will probably translate to a poor league finish and no CL for a second year will absolutely affect our next round of commercial negotiations. If Liverpool solidify CL next year (with their EC history) and Arsenal finish 6th again, that could very easily start a negative feedback loop for Arsenal where Liverpool continually outpaces on commercial revenue.
I highly doubt Arsenal can really afford Mbappe, they do this every summer. Being linked with some big names that they never get near purchasing to keep fan appetites whetted. The transfers are getting too expensive while Arsenal are rarely willing to sanction even £30m+ fees.

I agree replacing Sanchez with a £50m buy is unlikely. The negative feedback loop you are talking about already started some time ago for Arsenal imo. Years of under-investment finally taking their toll amidst greater competition. United are suffering somewhat similarly from Gill's latter years of 'no value in the market'. Keeping Sanchez or not won't change that, it's the ambition which has to be there at the very top. And that lack of ambition is the reason Sanchez wants to leave.
 
You had him this season and finished 5th. If you force him to stay against his wish turning down 50mil which he and anyone else would consider a very good offer given his contract situation, what's to say he'll perform better and you'll finish higher as a team?

Suarez and Lewandowski are just too concrete examples that support my stance whereas to my knowledge there is not a concrete example that supports how selling Sanchez (without an official transfer request) would be better for the team next year or long term.

Also it has nothing to do with Sanchez' "name" as I tried to explain. Its a unique circumstance this year with our nearest rival, Liverpool, in a very dangerous position. Without being able to actually replace Sanchez' quality this window for the sum we received (which we can't) it is economically and professionally the wrong choice.

Additionally, there is no indication that Sanchez is that desperate to move to City (Or United or Chelsea for that matter) so that line is just a moot point to me. If he hands in a transfer request I would review the new available information and perhaps re-adjust my stance but unless he hands in an official transfer request and makes a statement ala RVP then I won't change my mind.
 
I was told weeks ago by someone who works at City that they expect to have sign him on a free next summer. At that time they were convincing him not to sign for Bayern and stay at Arse another year as they won't sell him to City.
 
I highly doubt Arsenal can really afford Mbappe, they do this every summer. Being linked with some big names that they never get near purchasing to keep fan appetites whetted. The transfers are getting too expensive while Arsenal are rarely willing to sanction even £30m+ fees.

Well we spent over 100 mil last summer and still made 10 mil profit this year. Combine that with deadwood to sell for even extra and fact Kolosinac was free and I do think we have the funds for Mbappe and this is coming down to his choice.

I agree replacing Sanchez with a £50m buy is unlikely. The negative feedback loop you are talking about already started some time ago for Arsenal imo. Years of under-investment finally taking their toll amidst greater competition. United are suffering somewhat similarly from Gill's latter years of 'no value in the market'. Keeping Sanchez or not won't change that, it's the ambition which has to be there at the very top. And that lack of ambition is the reason Sanchez wants to leave.

This is why this summer is crucial. Lose Sanchez and that loop accelerates. Keeping Sanchez is the only chance in reversing that loop otherwise I just see it accelerating. Show some ambition in signing players this summer and Sanchez want to stay ala Suarez at Liverpool. Unless he hands in an official request, I won't change that opinion.
 
Suarez and Lewandowski are just too concrete examples that support my stance whereas to my knowledge there is not a concrete example that supports how selling Sanchez (without an official transfer request) would be better for the team next year or long term.

Also it has nothing to do with Sanchez' "name" as I tried to explain. Its a unique circumstance this year with our nearest rival, Liverpool, in a very dangerous position. Without being able to actually replace Sanchez' quality this window for the sum we received (which we can't) it is economically and professionally the wrong choice.

Additionally, there is no indication that Sanchez is that desperate to move to City (Or United or Chelsea for that matter) so that line is just a moot point to me. If he hands in a transfer request I would review the new available information and perhaps re-adjust my stance but unless he hands in an official transfer request and makes a statement ala RVP then I won't change my mind.

Ah, you misunderstood me. I don't think there's upside you guys in selling him. I just think you will sell anyways as you won't turn down 50mil.
 
Ah, you misunderstood me. I don't think there's upside you guys in selling him. I just think you will sell anyways as you won't turn down 50mil.

Ah I see. I wouldn't be surprised if we sold him to City but neither do I think that is most probable. I do think Wenger is a bit desperate and is willing to take the risk of keeping Sanchez and maybe convincing him to resign during the season even if its with a guaranteed out next year like Suarez.

And Kroenke is more stupid than tight tbh, I mean this is the owner that gave his NFL coach a brand new contract one week before firing him which to me shows a lack of knowledge more than being a total miser.
 
Ah I see. I wouldn't be surprised if we sold him to City but neither do I think that is most probable. I do think Wenger is a bit desperate and is willing to take the risk of keeping Sanchez and maybe convincing him to resign during the season even if its with a guaranteed out next year like Suarez.

And Kroenke is more stupid than tight tbh, I mean this is the owner that gave his NFL coach a brand new contract one week before firing him which to me shows a lack of knowledge more than being a total miser.
Well, I hope that's the case because it'd suck to see you guys bending over and city strengthening considerably.
 
Suarez and Lewandowski are just too concrete examples that support my stance whereas to my knowledge there is not a concrete example that supports how selling Sanchez (without an official transfer request) would be better for the team next year or long term.

Also it has nothing to do with Sanchez' "name" as I tried to explain. Its a unique circumstance this year with our nearest rival, Liverpool, in a very dangerous position. Without being able to actually replace Sanchez' quality this window for the sum we received (which we can't) it is economically and professionally the wrong choice.

Additionally, there is no indication that Sanchez is that desperate to move to City (Or United or Chelsea for that matter) so that line is just a moot point to me. If he hands in a transfer request I would review the new available information and perhaps re-adjust my stance but unless he hands in an official transfer request and makes a statement ala RVP then I won't change my mind.
I think from a football perspective no player bar Messi and Ronaldo is irreplaceable but the danger for you is that you don't have any other top class attacker to carry the burden and you will be relying on two new guys to hit the ground running. However I think if you got over 50m for him, having already signed Lacazette, buying Lemar would go a long way in filling the gap left by Sanchez on the pitch. Off the pitch however your image will take a battering and the fallout could only be solved by doing something huge on the pith like winning the PL.
 
Liverpool didn't sell Suarez in the same position to a PL rival
Suarez had signed a new long term deal less than a year before Arsenal made their offer, and had four years left on his contract (and even if he hadn't signed the new deal, there were still three years left on his old one). Yes, they refused to sell to a rival, but there was no risk of seeing him go on a free a year later. Had that been the case, they may well have accepted Arsenal's offer of £40m.
 
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Well we spent over 100 mil last summer and still made 10 mil profit this year. Combine that with deadwood to sell for even extra and fact Kolosinac was free and I do think we have the funds for Mbappe and this is coming down to his choice.

This is why this summer is crucial. Lose Sanchez and that loop accelerates. Keeping Sanchez is the only chance in reversing that loop otherwise I just see it accelerating. Show some ambition in signing players this summer and Sanchez want to stay ala Suarez at Liverpool. Unless he hands in an official request, I won't change that opinion.
Yeah, that's fair, if Arsenal have the money I agree this is what they need to do. I think if signings materialize then Sanchez might agree to an extension, if you pay him enough.
 
Suarez had signed a new long term deal less than a year before Arsenal made their offer, and had four years left on his contract (and even if he hadn't signed the new deal, there were still three years left on his old one). Yes, they refused to sell to a rival, but there was no risk of seeing him go on a free a year later. Had that been the case, they may well have accepted Arsenal's offer of £40m.

They would have just sold him to Barca that year
 
Arsenal fans will react even worse if they sell Sanchez to us. A fact a lot of people here don't seem to get.

Why would that be an issue for him coming to us?

They are hardly going to go 'oh we can't sell him to United because the fans will go nuts. But City is ok'

Either we are not interested (which I doubt it) or he doesn't want to come to us.

Clearly I'm massively biased as a United fan but I literally can't see how City is a more attractive club than United when they are located in the same city. He wouldn't even have to compete to get a starting spot in our squad. They can't find a place for Aguero, the best no.9 in the league.

What did Real do when they went through a rough patch in 2005-08? They spent a shed load of money until they could compete again. We may have to accept for a few seasons we have to pay over the odds until we are attractive to players again. I don't want to turn into Liverpool where we miss out on players over a couple of million.
 
Arsenal will sell Alexis if the fee is high enough. They won't sell to a rival for £50M maybe, but for £80/90M? Of course they will. Wouldn't make sense not to
 
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