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You havs just defeated your own arguments.
I didnt say he would be a failure I said he is unproven In the EPL. His scoring ability is not in quesstion it is whether he will fit into Chelsea system which as yet is unknown. As you said he didnt fit into Spains system. So who is to say without doubt he will be a hit with Chelsea.

Because Spain play totally different than Chelsea. Spain plays like Barcelona and he just don't fit into that system. Chelseas style resembles more the style of Atletico and I think he'll fit in brilliantly into that system.
 
Because Spain play totally different than Chelsea. Spain plays like Barcelona and he just don't fit into that system. Chelseas style resembles more the style of Atletico and I think he'll fit in brilliantly into that system.

I think the physicality of the prem will suit him perfectly. I also agree that he'll fit Mourinho's tactics well, he's quick and powerful, they often counter attacked well this season only to see the chance wasted by Torres. There will also be a lot of frustration towards him as he'll dive and have disciplinary problems quite frequently.
 
1 domestic cup in 9 years. I can't envision what that project will be. Arsenal hasn't even challenged for the title in the last 9 years, they are either 3rd or 4th. It's not like the club offers top salaries as well. Even if he has 2-3 good seasons he won't be offered the same money City, Chelsea or whatever will. He's used to winning while with Arsenal it's not guaranteed he'll play CL football in 2016. Wenger used to be like that. 9 years winning squat is likely to put a blemish on his CV.

As for Juventus - it's a league he knows well -played 3 seasons and now he has a realistic chance of winning with Juve I think that's a very good challenge for him, rather than the challenge whether he'll finish 3rd or 4th.

You seem to be so certain that Arsenal will finish 4th this season. As I said before, the only way for Arsenal to get back at the top is to sign top players and they're currently doing that. If you think Sanchez is silly to join them because Wenger convinced him them that's your problem.
 
Their most important and major signing so far probably has to be their new physio. The amount of injuries they rack up every season is crazy.
As if they're the only top team that have had to deal with ridiculous amount of injuries over the past seasons. Hint, United did too, regularly with the defence under SAF and still came out pretty good.
 
1 domestic cup in 9 years. I can't envision what that project will be. Arsenal hasn't even challenged for the title in the last 9 years, they are either 3rd or 4th. It's not like the club offers top salaries as well. Even if he has 2-3 good seasons he won't be offered the same money City, Chelsea or whatever will. He's used to winning while with Arsenal it's not guaranteed he'll play CL football in 2016. Wenger used to be like that. 9 years winning squat is likely to put a blemish on his CV.

As for Juventus - it's a league he knows well -played 3 seasons and now he has a realistic chance of winning with Juve I think that's a very good challenge for him, rather than the challenge whether he'll finish 3rd or 4th.

If Arsenal bring in World Class Players like Sanchez then they can win the title. Wenger just hasn't had the money in the last 9 years to compete. Now he has the cash, he can spend it.

Its not always about just money for players. Maybe Sanchez recognises that Arsenal have the quality to challenge again, just as they would have done this season barring no injuries.
 
You seem to be so certain that Arsenal will finish 4th this season. As I said before, the only way for Arsenal to get back at the top is to sign top players and they're currently doing that. If you think Sanchez is silly to join them because Wenger convinced him them that's your problem.

Hes just bitter and has shallow views when it comes to football.
 
You seem to be so certain that Arsenal will finish 4th this season. As I said before, the only way for Arsenal to get back at the top is to sign top players and they're currently doing that. If you think Sanchez is silly to join them because Wenger convinced him them that's your problem.

We hear this same "we're gonna fight for the title" nonsense from Arsenal fan every pre-season. Ofcourse nobody's gonna take it seriously.
 
If Arsenal bring in World Class Players like Sanchez then they can win the title. Wenger just hasn't had the money in the last 9 years to compete. Now he has the cash, he can spend it.

Its not always about just money for players. Maybe Sanchez recognises that Arsenal have the quality to challenge again, just as they would have done this season barring no injuries.

:lol:
 
It's funny the way football fans always think the solution to any club's problems is signing more players. I think the pattern established at Arsenal over the last several years points to issues that go deeper than the quality of the individual players in their squad. Their recent record against "top four" sides speaks volumes and has to point towards a flaw in the mentality of their manager, rather than a lack of quuality in the squad. I would be very surprised if signing one good player will make any difference in this regard. Sanchez, or no Sanchez, it would be a major turnaround if Arsenal were to suddenly stop getting bitch-slapped by the likes of City and Chelsea next season. Don't see it happening myself.
 
We hear this same "we're gonna fight for the title" nonsense from Arsenal fan every pre-season. Ofcourse nobody's gonna take it seriously.

How can you say this when last season and this has been very different in terms of money spent, I can fully understand Arsenal fans imagining they will do better, they usually have far more obvious holes than they currently do.
 
It's funny the way football fans always think the solution to any club's problems is signing more players. I think the pattern established at Arsenal over the last several years points to issues that go deeper than the quality of the individual players in their squad. Their recent record against "top four" sides speaks volumes and has to a flaw in the mentality of their manager, rather than a lack of quuality in the squad. I would be very surprised if signing one good player will make any difference in this regard.

They've looked to have missed someone up top, they have that person now, it's not just a case of buying one extra person, it's the knock on effect he will have, the final bit of quality will improve Arsenal as a team so much as they are highly creative
 
How can you say this when last season and this has been very different in terms of money spent, I can fully understand Arsenal fans imagining they will do better, they usually have far more obvious holes than they currently do.

Nonsense.

They had Nasri, Fabregas, RVP etc all in one team and they still managed to screw up the title.

Money spent= Doesn't mean titles especially when the likes of Chelsea, City can spend much more.

As far as Sanchez, he's an upgrade but doesn't solve their problems of striker, defensive midfielder and a left back.
 
Nonsense.

They had Nasri, Fabregas, RVP etc all in one team and they still managed to screw up the title.

Money spent= Doesn't mean titles especially when the likes of Chelsea, City can spend much more.

I never claimed they will win the title, merely criticised your reaction to an Arsenal fan expecting to challenge, I fully expect them to challenge
 
It's funny the way football fans always think the solution to any club's problems is signing more players. I think the pattern established at Arsenal over the last several years points to issues that go deeper than the quality of the individual players in their squad. Their recent record against "top four" sides speaks volumes and has to point towards a flaw in the mentality of their manager, rather than a lack of quuality in the squad. I would be very surprised if signing one good player will make any difference in this regard. Sanchez, or no Sanchez, it would be a major turnaround if Arsenal were to suddenly stop getting bitch-slapped by the likes of City and Chelsea next season. Don't see it happening myself.
Well said.
 
I never claimed they will win the title, merely criticised your reaction to an Arsenal fan expecting to challenge, I fully expect them to challenge

I didn't criticise an Arsenal fan expecting to challenge. One of the Arsenal fan called Enigma87 "Bitter and shallow view when it comes to football" because he had the temerity to say that Arsenal won't challenge for the title. I was just saying that it's a reasonable reaction from an United fan considering Arsenal's past title years.

You should learn to read properly before acting like a smart arse. Would help you in future.
 
They've looked to have missed someone up top, they have that person now, it's not just a case of buying one extra person, it's the knock on effect he will have, the final bit of quality will improve Arsenal as a team so much as they are highly creative

You really think "missing someone up top" explains how Arsenal mullered so many average teams, yet were repeatedly humiliated by the best teams in the league?
 
If Arsenal bring in World Class Players like Sanchez then they can win the title. Wenger just hasn't had the money in the last 9 years to compete. Now he has the cash, he can spend it.

Its not always about just money for players. Maybe Sanchez recognises that Arsenal have the quality to challenge again, just as they would have done this season barring no injuries.

If no team in the world had injuries football history would be so different, Wenger has had the money to spend in the last 9 years he just chose not to, we were hearing rumours since 2010 that Arsenal had a £70 million war chest to spend guess what he chose not to because he was convinced his project would work. Last season he realised that was not the case and splashed it on Ozil now this season it's Sanchez.

Arsenal lost out because they had no strength in depth when any of their players got injured this kept happening for a number of years and still nothing was done about it. Miss management is why Arsenal have not won half the trophies they could have won in the last 10 or so years. Injuries are apart of football and the teams that blame injuries for not winning are the teams that dont win.
 
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It's funny the way football fans always think the solution to any club's problems is signing more players. I think the pattern established at Arsenal over the last several years points to issues that go deeper than the quality of the individual players in their squad. Their recent record against "top four" sides speaks volumes and has to point towards a flaw in the mentality of their manager, rather than a lack of quuality in the squad. I would be very surprised if signing one good player will make any difference in this regard. Sanchez, or no Sanchez, it would be a major turnaround if Arsenal were to suddenly stop getting bitch-slapped by the likes of City and Chelsea next season. Don't see it happening myself.
I think having world class players will always make those sorts of things less likely. But, as I said somewhere else, this is a great signing but not one that solves any pre-existing problems. I don't think Sanchez is a 'focal point' striker, so in that sense it might be more of the same. But really they need to bring in a proper defensive midfielder who will help to protect the back four. I reckon that'd make them a lot tougher to beat from the off.
 
If no team in the world had injuries football history would be so different


If no team in the world had injuries football history would be so different, Wenger has had the money to spend in the last 9 years he just chose not to, we were hearing rumours since 2010 that Arsenal had a £70 million war chest to spend guess what he chose not to because he was convinced his project would work. Last season he realised that was not the case and splashed it on Ozil now this season it's Sanchez.

Arsenal lost out because they had no strength in depth when any of their players got injured this kept happening for a number of years and still nothing was done about it. Miss management is why Arsenal have not won half the trophies they could have won in the last 10 or so years. Injuries are apart of football and the teams that blame injuries for not winning are the teams that dont win.

Brilliant, brilliant post.

Arsenal fans don't realise that injuries aren't a valid excuse for not challenging for the title. Every team goes through that.
 
If no team in the world had injuries football history would be so different, Wenger has had the money to spend in the last 9 years he just chose not to, we were hearing rumours since 2010 that Arsenal had a £70 million war chest to spend guess what he chose not to because he was convinced his project would work. Last season he realised that was not the case and splashed it on Ozil now this season it's Sanchez.

Arsenal lost out because they had no strength in depth when any of their players got injured this kept happening for a number of years and still nothing was done about it. Miss management is why Arsenal have not won half the trophies they could have won in the last 10 or so years. Injuries are apart of football and the teams that blame injuries for not winning are the teams that dont win.

Well said
 
You should learn to read properly before acting like a smart arse. Would help you in future.

:lol: Difficult to act like a smart arse on a forum like this, but okay, my point was still to say that you're comment of "no-one will take you seriously saying you will challenge for the title", that, I don't agree with, as there's clearly something different.

You really think "missing someone up top" explains how Arsenal mullered so many average teams, yet were repeatedly humiliated by the best teams in the league?

On it's own? Obviously not, a large factor contributing to it? Yes, they scored against smaller teams as they were so creative and needed to finish only a few of the many chances created, in bigger games, there are typically very few clear cut chances, hence the absence of a top striker is the difference between them being put away or not surely? I'm not trying to say they are suddenly world beaters, but I do believe this "mentality" thing is over-hyped and they will challenge.
 
On it's own? Obviously not, a large factor contributing to it? Yes, they scored against smaller teams as they were so creative and needed to finish only a few of the many chances created, in bigger games, there are typically very few clear cut chances, hence the absence of a top striker is the difference between them being put away or not surely? I'm not trying to say they are suddenly world beaters, but I do believe this "mentality" thing is over-hyped and they will challenge.

Ok, let's put it another way. Was not scoring enough goals really the biggest problem Arsenal faced against City, Chelsea and Liverpool?
 
:lol: Difficult to act like a smart arse on a forum like this, but okay, my point was still to say that you're comment of "no-one will take you seriously saying you will challenge for the title", that, I don't agree with, as there's clearly something different.

So you like to reply without knowing the context of posts?

That does explain a lot about your posting.
 
If no team in the world had injuries football history would be so different, Wenger has had the money to spend in the last 9 years he just chose not to, we were hearing rumours since 2010 that Arsenal had a £70 million war chest to spend guess what he chose not to because he was convinced his project would work. Last season he realised that was not the case and splashed it on Ozil now this season it's Sanchez.

Arsenal lost out because they had no strength in depth when any of their players got injured this kept happening for a number of years and still nothing was done about it. Miss management is why Arsenal have not won half the trophies they could have won in the last 10 or so years. Injuries are apart of football and the teams that blame injuries for not winning are the teams that dont win.

Wenger has NOT had the money to spend. Do you not think he would have invested more in the squad if he had the chance? He has had to bring in bargains or loan players to inject quality into the team. Wenger didn't simply wake up one morning and decide his 'project' was no longer going to work so he brought in Ozil.

The Puma deal along with the refinancing of the Emirates stadium debt (both of which were conducted in the last 12 months) is the reason why Arsenal are spending now.

The press have reported that Arsenal have been loaded since 2010 which is just not the case. People believe it because they want to make out like Wenger is a fool for not spending.
 
Nonsense.

They had Nasri, Fabregas, RVP etc all in one team and they still managed to screw up the title.

Money spent= Doesn't mean titles especially when the likes of Chelsea, City can spend much more.

As far as Sanchez, he's an upgrade but doesn't solve their problems of striker, defensive midfielder and a left back.


I didn't know there was an order to which you bought players. The transfer window isn't closed yet and they have lots of time to get those players in.
 
If no team in the world had injuries football history would be so different, Wenger has had the money to spend in the last 9 years he just chose not to, we were hearing rumours since 2010 that Arsenal had a £70 million war chest to spend guess what he chose not to because he was convinced his project would work. Last season he realised that was not the case and splashed it on Ozil now this season it's Sanchez.

Arsenal lost out because they had no strength in depth when any of their players got injured this kept happening for a number of years and still nothing was done about it. Miss management is why Arsenal have not won half the trophies they could have won in the last 10 or so years. Injuries are apart of football and the teams that blame injuries for not winning are the teams that dont win.

If you call building a new stadium for close to 400 million in 2006 mismanagement of a club then there's no use having a debate about these things with you. You clearly have the tunnel vision of a fan boy.
 
Brilliant, brilliant post.

Arsenal fans don't realise that injuries aren't a valid excuse for not challenging for the title. Every team goes through that.


You can't challenge for trophies when your best players are injured, it's just a simple fact. And it's not like they had the money of Chelsea or City to buy top players to put them on the bench for a rainy day.
 
Nonsense.

They had Nasri, Fabregas, RVP etc all in one team and they still managed to screw up the title.

Money spent= Doesn't mean titles especially when the likes of Chelsea, City can spend much more.

As far as Sanchez, he's an upgrade but doesn't solve their problems of striker, defensive midfielder and a left back.


RVP?? I know you're joking there :lol:

The guy was injured every season for at least 3 to 4 months within his first 6 years at Arsenal. His FIRST full season without injury was 2011-2012. He left in 2012.
 
I didn't criticise an Arsenal fan expecting to challenge. One of the Arsenal fan called Enigma87 "Bitter and shallow view when it comes to football" because he had the temerity to say that Arsenal won't challenge for the title. I was just saying that it's a reasonable reaction from an United fan considering Arsenal's past title years.

You should learn to read properly before acting like a smart arse. Would help you in future.

Your argument is invalidated by Liverpool almost winning the league last season. The reason is because they had a good manager, good team spirit and an excellent striker. Your title winning team had a piss poor manager and ended up in 7th. My point is that there are lots of variables to consider before you write a team off with an argument like, "they haven't challenged within the past few years". Sanchez and other top players joining may get them there.
 
Is Sanchez one to take the bull by the horns? In my opinion, the major deficiency in Arsenal's set-up is personality. They've lacked a true leader for a long, long time. A mercurial attacker isn't going to rectify the seemingly inherent mental block that has scuppered Arsenal for the last 9 years.
 
It's funny the way football fans always think the solution to any club's problems is signing more players. I think the pattern established at Arsenal over the last several years points to issues that go deeper than the quality of the individual players in their squad. Their recent record against "top four" sides speaks volumes and has to point towards a flaw in the mentality of their manager, rather than a lack of quuality in the squad. I would be very surprised if signing one good player will make any difference in this regard. Sanchez, or no Sanchez, it would be a major turnaround if Arsenal were to suddenly stop getting bitch-slapped by the likes of City and Chelsea next season. Don't see it happening myself.

You're 100% right. Within the past few seasons their record vs the top teams has been horrendous and they need to fix that.
 
Is Sanchez one to take the bull by the horns? In my opinion, the major deficiency in Arsenal's set-up is personality. They've lacked a true leader for a long, long time. A mercurial attacker isn't going to rectify the seemingly inherent mental block that has scuppered Arsenal for the last 9 years.

Well when you've invested heavily in a very young team (average age 22) from 2006 to 2011, finding a leader within that pack would be difficult.
 
It's funny the way football fans always think the solution to any club's problems is signing more players. I think the pattern established at Arsenal over the last several years points to issues that go deeper than the quality of the individual players in their squad. Their recent record against "top four" sides speaks volumes and has to point towards a flaw in the mentality of their manager, rather than a lack of quuality in the squad. I would be very surprised if signing one good player will make any difference in this regard. Sanchez, or no Sanchez, it would be a major turnaround if Arsenal were to suddenly stop getting bitch-slapped by the likes of City and Chelsea next season. Don't see it happening myself.
At the same time look what having a player like Van Persie in the team can do as evidenced when they beat Chelsea at the Bridge and he got a hat trick. Arsenal are a bit to 'soft' it does seem but having players like Sanchez or Van Persie can make a huge difference in them games because they are or atleast close to being world class players.
 
RVP?? I know you're joking there :lol:

The guy was injured every season for at least 3 to 4 months within his first 6 years at Arsenal. His FIRST full season without injury was 2011-2012. He left in 2012.

So it's back to the injury excuse again?

Weren't you an AS Roma fan in newbies? Funny how people masquerade as other team fans in order to get promoted.
 
You can't challenge for trophies when your best players are injured, it's just a simple fact. And it's not like they had the money of Chelsea or City to buy top players to put them on the bench for a rainy day.

It's a nonsense fact.

Compare our injury record with Arsenal and I bet there won't be any difference in the injuries. We had to play Carrick in center back for various times for so many of our title winnings seasons.
 
It's funny the way football fans always think the solution to any club's problems is signing more players. I think the pattern established at Arsenal over the last several years points to issues that go deeper than the quality of the individual players in their squad. Their recent record against "top four" sides speaks volumes and has to point towards a flaw in the mentality of their manager, rather than a lack of quuality in the squad. I would be very surprised if signing one good player will make any difference in this regard. Sanchez, or no Sanchez, it would be a major turnaround if Arsenal were to suddenly stop getting bitch-slapped by the likes of City and Chelsea next season. Don't see it happening myself.
Not this old fanny again, give it a rest FFS.
 
So it's back to the injury excuse again?

Weren't you an AS Roma fan in newbies? Funny how people masquerade as other team fans in order to get promoted.


I've said this a million times here: I'm a Roma fan FIRST. That's my love. But I don't see many discussion here about Roma. However, my wife is an avid Arsenal supporter and I watch their games with her when I get the chance. I've developed a 'soft spot' for them over the years but it's not like an I'm a die hard supporter.
 
Not to get sucked into another debate about Arsenal, but the injury excuse is nonsense. Look at the ridiculous amounts of defensive injuries we've racked up in recent years that made us play midfielders there, or vice-versa. Didn't stop SAF using the depth of the squad to win leagues. City had their best player (Aguero) injured for half of last season, didn't stop them winning the league.

Everyone knows the PL is a test of your squad nowadays and not your first XI, so if you can't cope with injuries it's your own fault.
 
I've said this a million times here: I'm a Roma fan FIRST. That's my love. But I don't see many discussion here about Roma. However, my wife is an avid Arsenal supporter and I watch their games with her when I get the chance. I've developed a 'soft spot' for them over the years but it's not like an I'm a die hard supporter.

So you an AS Roma fan spend most of the time on Man Utd forum defending your wife's favorite team.

Even for internet, that's weird. We should ask Oates to defend United on here.
 
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