Alexis Sanchez | Signed for Arsenal

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Red Ross said:
You post makes you look like a complete fool. Your grammar is almost as hilarious as your deluded views. Your bitter because a player may goes to Arsenal instead of United. "Arsenal participate then get knocked out of it"....only 1 team doesn't get knocked out of the Champions League every year.
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Yea well Arsenal never won the CL and they usually get knocked out of it pretty quickly. I'am fully expecting Arsenal to be out of the CL as soon as things start to get serious. You may be in it, but you never play a role of significance. Even Moyes impressed me more in Europe than Wenger ever did and that is saying something.

If Sanchez prefers Arsenal because he can play 7 games in the CL and then get knocked out of it, he is short sighted and lacks serious ambition. I bet you United will win the CL again before Arsenal manages to even reach the final.
 
Speak said:
Life doesn't end after next season. It's possible that Arsenal have offer him assurances about playing position or other players they're looking to sign.
Players are still people. They don't just look at graphs of trophies won and tournaments entered before choosing who to join.
Not everything is about Champions League football.
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Finally someone with a bit of perspective. Players take a lot more than: "Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, etc is a big club with lots of silverware" ...when making a decision to sign a contract for a club. Champions League football is a factor but not a massive one if the club signing the player shows vision, money, bonuses, agent fees, etc, and all the other stuff that comes with wooing a player to a club.
 
Him signing for Arsenal may well prove a blessing in disguise as it'd add more pressure to Woodward on delivering a marquee signing.

What can I say? I'm a glass half full kinda guy.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
Yea well Arsenal never won the CL and they usually get knocked out of it pretty quickly. I'am fully expecting Arsenal to be out of the CL as soon as things start to get serious. You may be in it, but you never play a role of significance. Even Moyes impressed me more in Europe than Wenger ever did and that is saying something.

If Sanchez prefers Arsenal because he can play 7 games in the CL and then get knocked out of it, he is short sighted and lacks serious ambition. I bet you United will win the CL again before Arsenal manages to even reach the final.
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Arsenal were knocked out of the Champions League within recent years by the eventual winner. And always remember, only ONE club can win the darn thing so everyone else gets knocked out...including Utd.


...You should put up $$ or shut up.
 
alastair said:
You're talking, like many, in complete ifs and buts and cliches.
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But they are cliches based on what Arsenal has been doing for the last 9 years. I'd happily swallow my words about Arsenal if they'd proved me wrong about them. People on here have been saying year in year out, Arsenal doesn't have what it takes to win the PL or be a big shot in the CL, year in year out these people have been correct. They might be cliches but they aren't empty. Arsenal has never really spend big (last year your first big fish but also your only one), you lack the players to really seriously compete with Chelsea and City and when we had a decent manager you never came close to competing with United.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
Yea well Arsenal never won the CL and they usually get knocked out of it pretty quickly. I'am fully expecting Arsenal to be out of the CL as soon as things start to get serious. You may be in it, but you never play a role of significance. Even Moyes impressed me more in Europe than Wenger ever did and that is saying something.

If Sanchez prefers Arsenal because he can play 7 games in the CL and then get knocked out of it, he is short sighted and lacks serious ambition. I bet you United will win the CL again before Arsenal manages to even reach the final.
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Wenger has actually made the final of the Champions League with Arsenal so how did Moyes impress you more?

You just don't like Arsenal, therefore your views are bias and totally unjust.
 
Il Prete Rosso said:
Arsenal were knocked out of the Champions League within recent years by the eventual winner. And always remember, only ONE club can win the darn thing so everyone else gets knocked out...including Utd.


...You should put up $$ or shut up.
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Well you can quote me on it if you guys manage to reach the final and I'll be happy to swallow my words, but it ain't gonna happen.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
Well you can quote me on it if you guys manage to reach the final and I'll be happy to swallow my words, but it ain't gonna happen.
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If it was all about maximizing his chances of winning the Champions League every season, he wouldn't be coming here either.
So we might as well ask why he'd join United and not Bayern or Chelsea.

But it's not. Arsenal are a big club in their own right, and he wouldn't need to justify 'turning down' United. Not every player on earth views United like United fans do.
 
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Red Ross said:
Wenger has actually made the final of the Champions League with Arsenal so how did Moyes impress you more?

You just don't like Arsenal, therefore your views are bias and totally unjust.
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Yea in 2006, I'am talking about last year, United managed by Moyes (which was a horrible team) impressed me more in Europe than the mighty Wenger did with his Arsenal. Arsenal shouldn't boast about Europe, they haven't achieved anything major there, just the mere fact of qualifying, which isn't so hard if you got a manager with half a brain and a club with the nesc resources. LVG won't fail to qualify either and he'll do more in his 3 years with United than Wenger managed in the last 10 years, you can quote me on that aswell. It is like because we were managed by a misfit for one season, that we suddenly became inferior to Arsenal, the misfit is gone, the anomaly will disappear aswell and Sanchez in the end will be sorry for turning us down to join Arsenal.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
Yea in 2006, I'am talking about last year, United managed by Moyes (which was a horrible team) impressed me more in Europe than the mighty Wenger did with his Arsenal. Arsenal shouldn't boast about Europe, they haven't achieved anything major there, just the mere fact of qualifying, which isn't so hard if you got a manager with half a brain and a club with the nesc resources. LVG won't fail to qualify either and he'll do more in his 3 years with United than Wenger managed in the last 10 years, you can quote me on that aswell. It is like because we were managed by a misfit for one season, that we suddenly became inferior to Arsenal, the misfit is gone, the anomaly will disappear aswell and Sanchez in the end will be sorry for turning us down to join Arsenal.
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Would Moyes have made it out of Arsenal's group?
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
Yea in 2006, I'am talking about last year, United managed by Moyes (which was a horrible team) impressed me more in Europe than the mighty Wenger did with his Arsenal. Arsenal shouldn't boast about Europe, they haven't achieved anything major there, just the mere fact of qualifying, which isn't so hard if you got a manager with half a brain and a club with the nesc resources. LVG won't fail to qualify either and he'll do more in his 3 years with United than Wenger managed in the last 10 years, you can quote me on that aswell. It is like because we were managed by a misfit for one season, that we suddenly became inferior to Arsenal, the misfit is gone, the anomaly will disappear aswell and Sanchez in the end will be sorry for turning us down to join Arsenal.
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That's where you're winding your self up unecessarily.
Nobody, not even Arsenal fans - have said this.

All anyone is arguing is that Sanchez may join Arsenal because he believes in what they want to do.
He wont join them thinking "Even if I only get this year of Champions League football and no more - that's good enough. That's worth not going to United." He obviously thinks they'll stay there, with his input.
 
Speak said:
That's where you're winding your self up unecessarily.

Nobody, not even Arsenal fans - have said this.

All anyone is arguing is that Sanchez may join Arsenal because he believes in what they want to do.
He wont join them thinking "Even if I only get this year of Champions League football and no more - that's good enough. That's worth not going to United." He obviously thinks they'll stay there, with his input.
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No use trying to reason with this guy. He's swallowed a lot of whatever he's been drinking.
 
Speak said:
That's where you're winding your self up unecessarily.
Nobody, not even Arsenal fans - have said this.

All anyone is arguing is that Sanchez may join Arsenal because he believes in what they want to do.
He wont join them thinking "Even if I only get this year of Champions League football and no more - that's good enough. That's worth not going to United." He obviously thinks they'll stay there, with his input.
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You can call it whatever you want, but if a player choses to go to Arsenal over United, he must believe he can achieve more there then he could at United. Whatever turn you put on it, that implies a certain inferiority (be it temporal or not). That is the point I'am arguing about. Ofcourse people can have other opnions about it, but I'am entitled my opnion aswell and that is what a football forum is about, that you can discuss together about it.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
But they are cliches based on what Arsenal has been doing for the last 9 years. I'd happily swallow my words about Arsenal if they'd proved me wrong about them. People on here have been saying year in year out, Arsenal doesn't have what it takes to win the PL or be a big shot in the CL, year in year out these people have been correct. They might be cliches but they aren't empty. Arsenal has never really spend big (last year your first big fish but also your only one), you lack the players to really seriously compete with Chelsea and City and when we had a decent manager you never came close to competing with United.
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We'll have a lot more money to spend in the next 9 years than we did in the last 9, due to the debt being at a very manageable state and finally having signed new sponsorship deals this year for the first time since the front loaded ones we signed in 2003.

That should help keep our players and sign better ones than we've been able to recently. That's a start.

I thought we competed pretty well prior to the stadium switch.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
It is like because we were managed by a misfit for one season, that we suddenly became inferior to Arsenal, the misfit is gone, the anomaly will disappear aswell
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You're in for a grand old shock, lad.

The real anomaly in all this retired last year.
 
Wenger is the single biggest obstacle stopping Arsenal from being a force in major competitions.
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
Yea in 2006, I'am talking about last year, United managed by Moyes (which was a horrible team) impressed me more in Europe than the mighty Wenger did with his Arsenal. Arsenal shouldn't boast about Europe, they haven't achieved anything major there, just the mere fact of qualifying, which isn't so hard if you got a manager with half a brain and a club with the nesc resources. LVG won't fail to qualify either and he'll do more in his 3 years with United than Wenger managed in the last 10 years, you can quote me on that aswell. It is like because we were managed by a misfit for one season, that we suddenly became inferior to Arsenal, the misfit is gone, the anomaly will disappear aswell and Sanchez in the end will be sorry for turning us down to join Arsenal.
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What Arsenal fans boast about Europe? Your not really sharing any intelligent views, just mere bullshit that is not based on fact whatsoever.

"LVG will do more in 3 years than Wenger did in 10" - what are you basing this on?

If I'd told you that Arsenal would easily finish ashead of United last season then would you have agreed? Nope.

Oh I forgot, it was ALL to do with Moyes. Not the fact that United have had fairly average team for the last couple of seasons...
 
Red Ross said:
Oh I forgot, it was ALL to do with Moyes. Not the fact that United have had fairly average team for the last couple of seasons...
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:lol:

You do realize we were the champions the year before last? Whether you consider Ferguson's last team to be a classic United team or not, whether you consider that RVP carried us to the title, whatever you consider, WE WON THE FECKING TITLE IN APRIL! That's more than you have done in the past decade. I'd take that average team over any of the teams you've had since 2004, thank you very much.
 
hobbers said:
Wenger is the single biggest obstacle stopping Arsenal from being a force in major competitions.
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Indeed. This is why I was very happy when he renewed his contract - I really thought he'd leave after the FA Cup win but no, the stubborn old fool is going to stay even longer - fantastic news for us, Chelsea, City and Liverpool!
 
Bestie07 said:
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You do realize we were the champions the year before last? Whether you consider Ferguson's last team to be a classic United team or not, whether you consider that RVP carried us to the title, whatever you consider, WE WON THE FECKING TITLE IN APRIL! That's more than you have done in the past decade. I'd take that average team over any of the teams you've had since 2004, thank you very much.
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It wasn't an insult, in fact it was testament to Fergie. Don't dress it, you won the title because of a fantastic manager and fantastic individuals (RVP, Rooney) but as a whole I'm not the only person to acknowledge this fact.

Also I agree, since 2004 we have been average in comparison. I can acknowledge this fact with getting all shirty and defensive.
 
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Red Ross said:
It wasn't an insult, in fact it was testament to Fergie. Don't dress it, you won the title because of a fantastic manager a fantastic individuals (RVP, Rooney) but as a whole I'm not the only person to acknowledge the this fact.
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So? You make it sound like Ferguson carried every bit of dross to the title? I remember us finishing a good fifteen points behind Chelsea in 2005, where was the Ferguson magic then? You need a good squad and a good manager to win the league, we had both that season. Just because that team wasn't as good as some other Ferguson teams, doesn't mean it was average. Rafael and Rio outstanding, so were Carrick and De Gea. Just because many of our best performers from that season suffered from injuries/age/downturn in form last season, it doesn't mean you can call them average.
 
John_Jensen said:
We'll have a lot more money to spend in the next 9 years than we did in the last 9, due to the debt being at a very manageable state and finally having signed new sponsorship deals this year for the first time since the front loaded ones we signed in 2003.

That should help keep our players and sign better ones than we've been able to recently. That's a start.

I thought we competed pretty well prior to the stadium switch.
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Aight fair point, well see about it. I never doubted the fact Arsenal has the money and you are right they'll have more of it now the stadium is paid off and are starting to renew sponsorships. I just think the management doesn't have the intention to spend any of that money, Wenger coming out every year saying they will doesn't really convince about that. I think Sanchez if you sign him is a way to keep the fans calm and provide an excuse not to sign a striker and other big names anymore this season, because hey we got Sanchez. Just Sanchez won't be enough to really compete for the PL or play a role of significance in the CL either.
 
Red Ross said:
What Arsenal fans boast about Europe? Your not really sharing any intelligent views, just mere bullshit that is not based on fact whatsoever.

"LVG will do more in 3 years than Wenger did in 10" - what are you basing this on?

If I'd told you that Arsenal would easily finish ashead of United last season then would you have agreed? Nope.

Oh I forgot, it was ALL to do with Moyes. Not the fact that United have had fairly average team for the last couple of seasons...
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Yea pretty much seeing as those players actually managed to win the title the year before that with 11 points, the year before that lost out on goal difference to city and the year before that managed to win it again. That is almost 3 titles in a row. Oh no what a shit average team...granted Ferguson was a magician and could work miracles with an average squad. Guess what LVG has been doing exactly the same his entire career, look at what he can do with a team full of eredivisie players in the world cup, would anybody have guessed the Netherlands would be potential world cup winners, with a squad like that, no but they are. LVG is a winner trough and trough just like Fergie, he has won trophies in whatever competition he participates and he'll do exactly that in the PL. On top of that we are doing everything we can to make sure that average squad isn't so average anymore, Herrera and Shaw is just the beginning. You underestimate the impact of a coach, if Moyes would have managed Arsenal he'd have brought you down to 7th or lower aswell.
 
I am not belittling Arsenal as there is no doubt they are a big club plus are based in London and have their own following everywhere because of their style of play and everything. Even amongst players

But I firmly believe, Sanchez won't reject us outright just because we cannot offer CL for one season.Thats can't be the only reason. Arsenal can sure beat us for his signature but if we really wanted him I think we would have signed him. Plus we have LVG also. So its not like last year where every top clubs manager was a better draw for players than us.

Also surely next year we are going to be in the top 4 at least. If we aren't I don't know what to say.
 
Yes sorry guys, back on topic - Sanchez will prove to be a superb signing IF it happens. But Juve are front-runners are they not?
 
Derek Acorah said:
Yes sorry guys, back on topic - Sanchez will prove to be a superb signing IF it happens. But Juve are front-runners are they not?
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Seems Juve don't have the cash to pull it off. If we'd sign Vidal before Sanchez moves that situation might change and he might still join Juventus, but for the moment I think the Sanchez move is closer than the Vidal move and all reports seem to suggest Arsenal is his most likely destination. No doubt if Juventus had the cash and pay what Barcelona is asking they'd be his prefered destination.
 
Derek Acorah said:
Impossible to prove, either way.
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Financially, they would have been worse of without him. You just couldn't see another manager without Wenger's know how in business and finance undertaking a massive stadium project and doing it with minimal funds. They would have still been at Highbury IMHO if it wasn't for Wenger.
 
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