Alejandro Garnacho (out) | Chelsea make enquiries

davidmichael said:
If we sell Garnacho to Chelsea just to sign Nkunku then I’m done for the season seeing as Nkunku is as injury prone as Shaw and it’d be yet another large wasted amount of money on transfer fees and wages seeing as he’s on £200K a week.
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You could engage in PSR shithousery. Chelsea and Villa are masters at that. Both Garnacho and Nkunku will transfer for inflated fees and we get to book pure profit on Garnacho. Say Garnacho 100M and Nkunku for 60.

In reality we're getting Nkunku + 40M for Garnacho. It's still a shit deal, don't want yet another injury prone Chelsea player but saying hypothetically. We could do it for one of their rando youth prospects too.
 
lex talionis said:
Selling a fantastic young prospect such as Garnacho is unbecoming of a club of United's pedigree. If we're throwing in the towel on ever competing for major trophies again then so be it and we can all attend to more rewarding things in life than stuffing money into the pockets of greedy 'stards who couldn't give a spit about our hopes and dreams for Manchester United.
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Why would selling Garnacho mean we've given up on competing for major trophies ever again? I get the frustration of selling a good youth player but cmon.

All indications are that the club is doing their best to stop stuffing money into the pockets of greedy stars.
 
Red in STL said:
What's unbecoming is the financial hole the club is in and the measures that will have to be taken to resolve it, the reality is if you want to get the team back to competing then we need buy better players, and to buy better players we need to sell some, Garnacho is one of the few players we get a decent amount of money for who also is best in a position we no longer play with, it's not a great position to be in but selling him is probably the least worst option overall
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Do we or do we not bring in a better player than Garnacho at his position? If the answer is yes, and here is his name (fill in the name here), and it only requires that we spend let's say 20m of the 40m we hauled in when we sold, Garnacho, we're in the black 20m on the deal.

Unless we have a youth player, the next Garnacho, ready to step up to the first team and perform at Garnacho's level, are you telling me that selling Garnacho and netting 20m on the two transactions -- the sell and the buy to replace him -- really makes the difference between competing and not competing for major trophies?
 
lex talionis said:
Do we or do we not bring in a better player than Garnacho at his position? If the answer is yes, and here is his name (fill in the name here), and it only requires that we spend let's say 20m of the 40m we hauled in when we sold, Garnacho, we're in the black 20m on the deal.

Unless we have a youth player, the next Garnacho, ready to step up to the first team and perform at Garnacho's level, are you telling me that selling Garnacho and netting 20m on the two transactions -- the sell and the buy to replace him -- really makes the difference between competing and not competing for major trophies?
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We don't play with wingers so we don't need to replace his position, we do need a LWB and striker, those players may not be better individually than Garnacho but they would make us a better team, I'm not suggesting it be any of the Chelsea players mention, just the reasoning for a sale
 
bosnian_red said:
United is apparently broke and has no money to buy players, so the owners are looking at our star youngsters as sales for PSR since we are stuck with Rashford, Casemiro etc to waste away on big wages.

A financially healthy United would never sell Garnacho. He's a future star, and a brilliant talent and would walk into your starting 11 IMO, giving you a real x-factor from either wing and instantly being your most impactful and exciting winger. He's young and inconsistent but has absolutely top potential.

There's the slight issue with Amorim at United that he doesn't use wingers, but even still Garnacho is always a threat and we have absolutely feck all going on in our attack aside from him and Amad that it's dumb (and short sighted) to sell.
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That is overrating Garnacho by a lot... I'd like him to stay but he is definitely not what you described. He is a decent young PL winger.
 
Red in STL said:
We don't play with wingers so we don't need to replace his position, we do need a LWB and striker, those players may not be better individually than Garnacho but they would make us a better team, I'm not suggesting it be any of the Chelsea players mention, just the reasoning for a sale
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Fair enough, so this one goes down as a strategic/tactical decision and not a financial decision. I actually the job Garnacho does for us even though his finishing is still immature, but if we really can find a proper LWB for the half the price we sell Garnacho for and if Amorim believes he has no use for Garnacho, I stand being the manager.
 
Looks like Napoli are officially out with the deal for Adeyemi seemingly agreed and judging by the latest comments from Maresca I don't see Chelsea following through on their alleged interest. I still have a feeling that we are going to end up sacrificing Mainoo to fix our financial issues.
 
Gandalf said:
Looks like Napoli are officially out with the deal for Adeyemi seemingly agreed and judging by the latest comments from Maresca I don't see Chelsea following through on their alleged interest. I still have a feeling that we are going to end up sacrificing Mainoo to fix our financial issues.
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typical of this club when selling him would be the only way to bank a psr profit.
 
Dave Smith said:
Who is paying a fee for Rashford on £350k, who by all accounts is not willing to give up any money? As for Case who is paying a fee for him?
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In the summer I am sure the few clubs interested in Rashford now (Barca, Milan, Dortmund) will have more money available and may be willing to pay £20m or so.

Casemiro, Saudi clubs may renew their interest in the summer.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
In the summer I am sure the few clubs interested in Rashford now (Barca, Milan, Dortmund) will have more money available and may be willing to pay £20m or so.

Casemiro, Saudi clubs may renew their interest in the summer.
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I am not sure there was ever any interest for them to renew outside of speculation from transfer grifters. I rather think Casemiro might exit in the summer but only through mutual termination of his contact so he can make a move back to Brazil for a final hurrah or something.

Rashford might be a harder sell in the summer than now in the sense that clubs have more time and more options and so what little appeal he has won't be enough of a draw. Our best bet is either Dortmund opt for a loan to plug the gap left by Adeyemi or Barca manage to shift a player or two to get him in now. We then have to pray to any and every deity that he has one of his purple patches and does enough to trigger some interest in a permanent move in the summer.
 
lex talionis said:
Fair enough, so this one goes down as a strategic/tactical decision and not a financial decision. I actually the job Garnacho does for us even though his finishing is still immature, but if we really can find a proper LWB for the half the price we sell Garnacho for and if Amorim believes he has no use for Garnacho, I stand being the manager.
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It is still mostly a financial decision, selling Garnacho as an academy product counts as pure profit in PSR terms, for sake of easy maths lets say we got 50M, it enables us to spend, in theory as much as 250M, obviously we aren't spending that much but spending 80-100M isn't wholly unrealistic, and for that we should be able to get a couple of decent players in.
 
Rolaholic said:
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I think he’s worth a bit more than that.

I’m on the fence with this one. I like Garnacho a lot, and I think he’s talented. On the other hand, he’s had some disciplinary issues, doesn’t really fit the profile of a 10 or a wing back in this system and isn’t the best technically (compare with Amad for instance)

Time will tell if this will be a good move or a disaster. Not many players seem to go between the United and Chelsea and do all that well to be honest.
 
Noodle said:
Not fussed at all if this happens or not but musing:

Garnacho > Chelsea £60m
Nkunku > Utd £50m

Utd bank £60m for PSR and only £10m cost per season for Nkunku

Chelsea sell Nkunku and make a small book profit
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Why would we bank 60m for PSR any only pay 10m?
 
Noodle said:
Not fussed at all if this happens or not but musing:

Garnacho > Chelsea £60m
Nkunku > Utd £50m

Utd bank £60m for PSR and only £10m cost per season for Nkunku

Chelsea sell Nkunku and make a small book profit
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Why would anybody pay more than 30m at a stretch for Nkunku? You paid 52m and he went on to have 2 seasons of constant injuries and now half a season of clearly having no role in the team. Even 30m is being generous.

Loan and option to buy for 25m like you lot did for Sancho is pretty much what somebody should expect for him. Though I guess it's United and we're run by idiots, so who knows
 
davidmichael said:
If we sell Garnacho to Chelsea just to sign Nkunku then I’m done for the season seeing as Nkunku is as injury prone as Shaw and it’d be yet another large wasted amount of money on transfer fees and wages seeing as he’s on £200K a week.
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Wouldn’t know whether to laugh or cry if that happened. Nkunku is the sort of player we’d be loaning out, selling for a cut price fee and giving a payoff to leave. Totally inept if we sell Garnacho for as little as 60m and spend any of it on Nkunku.
 
Red in STL said:
It is still mostly a financial decision, selling Garnacho as an academy product counts as pure profit in PSR terms, for sake of easy maths lets say we got 50M, it enables us to spend, in theory as much as 250M, obviously we aren't spending that much but spending 80-100M isn't wholly unrealistic, and for that we should be able to get a couple of decent players in.
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This is madness. So we're better off -- financially that is, meaning the Glazers are further enriched -- by depleting the club of outstanding young talent rather than cutting our losses on deadwood such as Casemiro, Antony and Onana?

Do club supporters only exist as props only to fatten the bellies of scumbags like the Glazers who feast at banquet while we watch our club sink further and further down the table as each season passes by? If this is how it has to be, I'm out.
 
bosnian_red said:
Why would anybody pay more than 30m at a stretch for Nkunku? You paid 52m and he went on to have 2 seasons of constant injuries and now half a season of clearly having no role in the team. Even 30m is being generous.

Loan and option to buy for 25m like you lot did for Sancho is pretty much what somebody should expect for him. Though I guess it's United and we're run by idiots, so who knows
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A Sancho like deal sounds somewhat fair and realistic
 
lex talionis said:
This is madness. So we're better off -- financially that is, meaning the Glazers are further enriched -- by depleting the club of outstanding young talent rather than cutting our losses on deadwood such as Casemiro, Antony and Onana?

Do club supporters only exist as props only to fatten the bellies of scumbags like the Glazers who feast at banquet while we watch our club sink further and further down the table as each season passes by? If this is how it has to be, I'm out.
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You are not out. We are building character and it started after Sir Alex left.
 
lex talionis said:
This is madness. So we're better off -- financially that is, meaning the Glazers are further enriched -- by depleting the club of outstanding young talent rather than cutting our losses on deadwood such as Casemiro, Antony and Onana?

Do club supporters only exist as props only to fatten the bellies of scumbags like the Glazers who feast at banquet while we watch our club sink further and further down the table as each season passes by? If this is how it has to be, I'm out.
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This sale is happening so the club have more funds available to back Amorim, the money will be reinvested, this sale is not to line the Glazers pockets.
 
lex talionis said:
This is madness. So we're better off -- financially that is, meaning the Glazers are further enriched -- by depleting the club of outstanding young talent rather than cutting our losses on deadwood such as Casemiro, Antony and Onana?

Do club supporters only exist as props only to fatten the bellies of scumbags like the Glazers who feast at banquet while we watch our club sink further and further down the table as each season passes by? If this is how it has to be, I'm out.
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Yeah United should never be a club who looks to sell their best talents to then spend money on random other players. That's not what this club is about. Find another way to make your money.
 
Selling him would be up there with the most brain dead decisions this club has made.

He's young and talented enough to adapt to new positions and find his way into the team. Rather than immediately strengthening a direct rival.

And if, as history suggests, Amorin doesn't work out and we go back to a back 4, we've lost our most dangerous attacker.

When you see it written down like that, with this club, it might aswell be a done deal.
 
Not enough to sell to a Premier League team.

I'd be disappointed to see him sold, even more so to a Premier League team
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
This sale is happening so the club have more funds available to back Amorim, the money will be reinvested, this sale is not to line the Glazers pockets.
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1. United is not a club who should be selling our best academy talents to fund random other signings. That's not what we as a club should stand for.
2. What makes you so confident the money will be reinvested? Hell even Whitwell on the latest pod was saying he could see it that we just sell Garnacho and not reinvest it as a way to calm our finances down and get out of the red (as in, dump our assets to fix the problems the owners created rather than the owners investing their own money).
 
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