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The closes way I can describe our fanbase are the people who voted for Brexit. Our fanbase always vote for the next big change and vote for the brexit but when all the problems happen everyone starts pretending like they never voted for it in the first place :lol:

Did our fans want Pogba? 5 years later our fan base act like they never wanted him as our most expensive player ever.

What about Ten Hag? I remember about how many fans wanted to sack our manager to hire Ten Hag & now suddenly he is the worst manager in United’s history, its suddenly everyone else's fault except the fans who were screaming their happiness when he became a choice put on their table.

Remember Van Gaal? All our fans wanted Mourinho after SAF, we got Van Gaal a couple years afterwards but our fans still wanted Mourinho and so we got a Mourinho past his prime and a manager that was tactically completely opposite of Van Gaal because he was "too boring" for the fan base and finished 5th or 6th after winning the FA Cup aswell.

Amorim looked like the new guy and all the fans wanted him because his little team was beating big teams like City & Arsenal but suddenly our fans don't like seeing United play like a small team.

Player wise?
Bruno - our best ever player in our last ten years has been targeted as the core problem for the whole teams downfall which is crazy. He continues to perform and the fans act like their voice is never heard.

Maguire - a huge transfer fee that Maguire could not control & was never a player that didn't try hard but was targeted and turned to meme on media across the world. Do these fans wish this happened to them in their job? Maguire is strong mentally as he is physically and comes back - suddenly what happens? Fans pretend they did nothing wrong & blank our the past like it never happens. Maguire performs well, everyone is dancing, just one bad performance and the fans start shouting about how his resurgence was just a fake and he is still rubbish. Didn't react quickly enough to 2nd Lyon goal and the fans were already turning him back in to a meme on the Internet- last minute equaliser and then what do the fans do? Pretend like they never said anything bad and move on.

Rashford - The complete opposite of Maguire, someone who is obviously mentally weaker than Maguire and felt like he needed a new challenge from the force Fans went to target him. Interestingly Rashford's hate was mostly through media & shows that fans can be heard outside the stadium. United fans would make it obvious that if he tried hard that they wouldn't be against him and wouldn't have the pressure on him. Mental problems or phsyical/injuries pressure was never taken to these supporters head showing how one dimensionally fans can think.

Antony - We all love players that work hard for the badge right? People would say it to Rashford's workrate but suddenly Antony does that and hard work is simply not good enough and so Antony turns to a purely left footed meme that now finds happiness in a free stresless Spain than a moody pressureful old Trafford.

Sancho - Also Felt happy outside United because the pressure fans put & instantly talked about this when moving to Chelsea

Zirkzee - 30 mins in to a game fans boo him off not even playing half a season of games and suddenly he has started to improve and atleast get the fans off their seats and fans again hide under the duvet like they did nothing wrong.

Garnacho - Rashford leaves so United fans need to target a new fault in the group of players. Fans hear a completley media driven news about how we are struggling PSR wise without having no idea about how much money we have. At the same time Napoli who are a better team than us in the world target Garnacho possibly to replace Kvartshekellia. Fans believe this would make us rich enough to sign the next shiny toy. But what happens if the next shiny toy turns to a flop? Every fan will pretend they never asked for it and it's everyone else's faults because their hands are clean. Ever since this PSR wallet has entered some our fans head, Garnacho is targeted as a player that many would drive to the airport themselves without knowing our economic background in the first place.

Mctomminay - Constantly told out to be not good enough for us and used as a mark of our demise but suddenly we are 16th and suddenly people are questioning if he played in thr wrong position after seeing his performances for Scotland and Napoli.

Casemiro - Talked about as he is old and a pensioner. A player who is living for his money purely because of his high wage which is not Casemiro's fault. Talked about as a player we should never buy because of his wage. Yet the fans thinks all of this is his fault. Casemiro's performances drop and fans target him and Casemiro talks about how he doesn't want to move proving that he can hear this. His performances improve with many performances being vital in this season and suddenly the fans act like they did nothing wrong.

Some would believe that its them targeting these players is why these players improve rather than their own hardworking characteristics.

You want more?

Inconsistent players like Dalot gets a lot of hate after alot of good performances for us over the last two seasons when playing at RB. People see his performances at LB and people can't stand him. High IQ there.

Dorgu - People have given up on him already because he isn't crossing in the ball like Beckham.

Vidic & Evra.

Our fans are the worst in the world and for every action there is a reaction. Our fans assume their voice has no negative influence on the club but believe they only have positive influences on the club. That is not support, it's a delusion lower footballing IQ than Garnacho's.
This is a car crash of a post.

If it helps I voted remain and think Garnacho needs to be sold :)
 
Much better today. Hopefully he will keep on working on his decision making and we can find a striker who can actually finish off those chanses that he creates.
 
The closes way I can describe our fanbase are the people who voted for Brexit. Our fanbase always vote for the next big change and vote for the brexit but when all the problems happen everyone starts pretending like they never voted for it in the first place :lol:

Did our fans want Pogba? 5 years later our fan base act like they never wanted him as our most expensive player ever.

What about Ten Hag? I remember about how many fans wanted to sack our manager to hire Ten Hag & now suddenly he is the worst manager in United’s history, its suddenly everyone else's fault except the fans who were screaming their happiness when he became a choice put on their table.

Remember Van Gaal? All our fans wanted Mourinho after SAF, we got Van Gaal a couple years afterwards but our fans still wanted Mourinho and so we got a Mourinho past his prime and a manager that was tactically completely opposite of Van Gaal because he was "too boring" for the fan base and finished 5th or 6th after winning the FA Cup aswell.

Amorim looked like the new guy and all the fans wanted him because his little team was beating big teams like City & Arsenal but suddenly our fans don't like seeing United play like a small team.

Player wise?
Bruno - our best ever player in our last ten years has been targeted as the core problem for the whole teams downfall which is crazy. He continues to perform and the fans act like their voice is never heard.

Maguire - a huge transfer fee that Maguire could not control & was never a player that didn't try hard but was targeted and turned to meme on media across the world. Do these fans wish this happened to them in their job? Maguire is strong mentally as he is physically and comes back - suddenly what happens? Fans pretend they did nothing wrong & blank our the past like it never happens. Maguire performs well, everyone is dancing, just one bad performance and the fans start shouting about how his resurgence was just a fake and he is still rubbish. Didn't react quickly enough to 2nd Lyon goal and the fans were already turning him back in to a meme on the Internet- last minute equaliser and then what do the fans do? Pretend like they never said anything bad and move on.

Rashford - The complete opposite of Maguire, someone who is obviously mentally weaker than Maguire and felt like he needed a new challenge from the force Fans went to target him. Interestingly Rashford's hate was mostly through media & shows that fans can be heard outside the stadium. United fans would make it obvious that if he tried hard that they wouldn't be against him and wouldn't have the pressure on him. Mental problems or phsyical/injuries pressure was never taken to these supporters head showing how one dimensionally fans can think.

Antony - We all love players that work hard for the badge right? People would say it to Rashford's workrate but suddenly Antony does that and hard work is simply not good enough and so Antony turns to a purely left footed meme that now finds happiness in a free stresless Spain than a moody pressureful old Trafford.

Sancho - Also Felt happy outside United because the pressure fans put & instantly talked about this when moving to Chelsea

Zirkzee - 30 mins in to a game fans boo him off not even playing half a season of games and suddenly he has started to improve and atleast get the fans off their seats and fans again hide under the duvet like they did nothing wrong.

Garnacho - Rashford leaves so United fans need to target a new fault in the group of players. Fans hear a completley media driven news about how we are struggling PSR wise without having no idea about how much money we have. At the same time Napoli who are a better team than us in the world target Garnacho possibly to replace Kvartshekellia. Fans believe this would make us rich enough to sign the next shiny toy. But what happens if the next shiny toy turns to a flop? Every fan will pretend they never asked for it and it's everyone else's faults because their hands are clean. Ever since this PSR wallet has entered some our fans head, Garnacho is targeted as a player that many would drive to the airport themselves without knowing our economic background in the first place.

Mctomminay - Constantly told out to be not good enough for us and used as a mark of our demise but suddenly we are 16th and suddenly people are questioning if he played in thr wrong position after seeing his performances for Scotland and Napoli.

Casemiro - Talked about as he is old and a pensioner. A player who is living for his money purely because of his high wage which is not Casemiro's fault. Talked about as a player we should never buy because of his wage & age. Yet the fans thinks all of this is his fault. Casemiro's performances drop and fans target him and Casemiro talks about how he doesn't want to move proving that he can hear this pressure. His performances improve with many performances being vital in this season and suddenly the fans act like they did nothing wrong. Same happened with Eriksen last year who was targeted for being too old.

Some would believe that its them targeting these players is why these players improve rather than their own hardworking characteristics.

You want more?

Inconsistent players like Dalot gets a lot of hate after alot of good performances for us over the last two seasons when playing at RB. People see his performances at LB and people can't stand him. High IQ there.

Dorgu - People have given up on him already because he isn't crossing in the ball like Beckham.

Vidic & Evra.

Our fans are the worst in the world and for every action there is a reaction. Our fans assume their voice has no negative influence on the club but believe they only have positive influences on the club. That is not support, it's a delusion lower footballing IQ than Garnacho's.
I'm so confused. I asked which comment triggered your 1st post that was genuinely baffling calling people who critique players equal to are parasite owners and then you've took the time to write a novel of pure waffle.

Nearly all the comments regarding Garnacho performance where positive and you've gone off on a mad tangent and then for some reason dissed Garnacho the player you where triggered enough to write said novel for because I assume wasn't happy with the one or two not so positive comments? :lol:

Mate some people just see the game differently to you.
 
Garnacho will be pushing for a move this summer. This failed system doesn’t support him and it never will - he needs to be playing out wide.
As wasteful as he’s been, if he went to Napoli or even Chelsea he would be a much more productive and better player.
I’d rather keep Garnacho and go back to playing with width and a back four.
 
He'd have so many more assists this season if he had a CF who knew how to move, thought he was excellent today. Works his ass off, makes things happen, exciting to watch, and a 20 year old academy graduate. Crazy wanting to get rid IMO.
 
He'd have so many more assists this season if he had a CF who knew how to move, thought he was excellent today. Works his ass off, makes things happen, exciting to watch, and a 20 year old academy graduate. Crazy wanting to get rid IMO.
He generally doesn’t pass, unless he’s played on the right and he’s pretty selfish when he’s in the box, then to top that his shooting is very erratic. Worked his socks off today, I’ll give him that.
 
Did well looking for other players but sadly those in the middle weren't up to much.
 
Still our most exciting player, just needs a Ronaldo style summer where he comes back properly super strong.

At the moment for all his work rate and willing running with the ball, he's too easy to knock off the ball, takes the wrong option quite a lot and isn't as suited to the 2 number 10s the formation asks for.
It wouldn't be a bad move for him to get to a club who play a more standard formation truth be told.
 
He generally doesn’t pass, unless he’s played on the right and he’s pretty selfish when he’s in the box, then to top that his shooting is very erratic. Worked his socks off today, I’ll give him that.
Yet its still true he would have many assists if we had a better CF
 
He'd have so many more assists this season if he had a CF who knew how to move, thought he was excellent today. Works his ass off, makes things happen, exciting to watch, and a 20 year old academy graduate. Crazy wanting to get rid IMO.
Best game I've seen him play.
 
Literally not true though. Again with this "decision making needs to improve = less shots" fallacy.

Really weird how Garnacho took fewer shots today and instead looked for more cut backs and suddenly everyone’s talking about how much more effective he was and how it was his best game in ages.
 
I'm a big Garnacho sceptic but he was very good yesterday, beating the press beautifully and creating good chances. If he keeps that up, him and Amad could be devastating in the years to come.
 
Really weird how Garnacho took fewer shots today and instead looked for more cut backs and suddenly everyone’s talking about how much more effective he was and how it was his best game in ages.

Sometimes I feel people forget his age. Decision making is something he can learn over time. The talent is there
 
We won't sell him because he is one of our most productive players, not only that but young kids absolutely love him as well. My son thinks he's the best thing since sliced bread.

Player well yesterday as well, always dangerous and with better players around him then he flourishes. I guarantee if we sell him we will massively regret doing it.
 
Bruno aside he is the player who makes things happen. He is still very young and Im not sure why he gets so much stick.
A keeper for me.
 
This is a car crash of a post.

If it helps I voted remain and think Garnacho needs to be sold :)

Very quick & short reply! Sounds like someone has the strength of Garnacho :)

If you struggling to read then watch the scarlets report video on our last game and he talks about United’s fans Internet bullying and pressure.

Sometimes hearing bad things about us hurt us all and not only footballers :smirk:
Yeah won't read all of that but as highly paid professionals in one of the biggest clubs in the world you either perform or accept scrutiny.
:)
 
Very quick & short reply! Sounds like someone has the strength of Garnacho :)

If you struggling to read then watch the scarlets report video on our last game and he talks about United’s fans Internet bullying and pressure.

Sometimes hearing bad things about us hurt us all and not only footballers :smirk:

:)
No one is struggling to read. You however are struggling to make a coherent point. He's ultimately not good enough.
 
Very quick & short reply! Sounds like someone has the strength of Garnacho :)

If you struggling to read then watch the scarlets report video on our last game and he talks about United’s fans Internet bullying and pressure.

Sometimes hearing bad things about us hurt us all and not only footballers :smirk:

:)
Careful that could be seen as bullying ;)
 
Conte apparently wants him at any cost. Let’s hope Utd test his resolve with a £60 mill price tag
 
The closes way I can describe our fanbase are the people who voted for Brexit. Our fanbase always vote for the next big change and vote for the brexit but when all the problems happen everyone starts pretending like they never voted for it in the first place :lol:

Did our fans want Pogba? 5 years later our fan base act like they never wanted him as our most expensive player ever.

What about Ten Hag? I remember about how many fans wanted to sack our manager to hire Ten Hag & now suddenly he is the worst manager in United’s history, its suddenly everyone else's fault except the fans who were screaming their happiness when he became a choice put on their table.

Remember Van Gaal? All our fans wanted Mourinho after SAF, we got Van Gaal a couple years afterwards but our fans still wanted Mourinho and so we got a Mourinho past his prime and a manager that was tactically completely opposite of Van Gaal because he was "too boring" for the fan base and finished 5th or 6th after winning the FA Cup aswell.

Amorim looked like the new guy and all the fans wanted him because his little team was beating big teams like City & Arsenal but suddenly our fans don't like seeing United play like a small team.

Player wise?
Bruno - our best ever player in our last ten years has been targeted as the core problem for the whole teams downfall which is crazy. He continues to perform and the fans act like their voice is never heard.

Maguire - a huge transfer fee that Maguire could not control & was never a player that didn't try hard but was targeted and turned to meme on media across the world. Do these fans wish this happened to them in their job? Maguire is strong mentally as he is physically and comes back - suddenly what happens? Fans pretend they did nothing wrong & blank our the past like it never happens. Maguire performs well, everyone is dancing, just one bad performance and the fans start shouting about how his resurgence was just a fake and he is still rubbish. Didn't react quickly enough to 2nd Lyon goal and the fans were already turning him back in to a meme on the Internet- last minute equaliser and then what do the fans do? Pretend like they never said anything bad and move on.

Rashford - The complete opposite of Maguire, someone who is obviously mentally weaker than Maguire and felt like he needed a new challenge from the force Fans went to target him. Interestingly Rashford's hate was mostly through media & shows that fans can be heard outside the stadium. United fans would make it obvious that if he tried hard that they wouldn't be against him and wouldn't have the pressure on him. Mental problems or phsyical/injuries pressure was never taken to these supporters head showing how one dimensionally fans can think.

Antony - We all love players that work hard for the badge right? People would say it to Rashford's workrate but suddenly Antony does that and hard work is simply not good enough and so Antony turns to a purely left footed meme that now finds happiness in a free stresless Spain than a moody pressureful old Trafford.

Sancho - Also Felt happy outside United because the pressure fans put & instantly talked about this when moving to Chelsea

Zirkzee - 30 mins in to a game fans boo him off not even playing half a season of games and suddenly he has started to improve and atleast get the fans off their seats and fans again hide under the duvet like they did nothing wrong.

Garnacho - Rashford leaves so United fans need to target a new fault in the group of players. Fans hear a completley media driven news about how we are struggling PSR wise without having no idea about how much money we have. At the same time Napoli who are a better team than us in the world target Garnacho possibly to replace Kvartshekellia. Fans believe this would make us rich enough to sign the next shiny toy. But what happens if the next shiny toy turns to a flop? Every fan will pretend they never asked for it and it's everyone else's faults because their hands are clean. Ever since this PSR wallet has entered some our fans head, Garnacho is targeted as a player that many would drive to the airport themselves without knowing our economic background in the first place.

Mctomminay - Constantly told out to be not good enough for us and used as a mark of our demise but suddenly we are 16th and suddenly people are questioning if he played in thr wrong position after seeing his performances for Scotland and Napoli.

Casemiro - Talked about as he is old and a pensioner. A player who is living for his money purely because of his high wage which is not Casemiro's fault. Talked about as a player we should never buy because of his wage & age. Yet the fans thinks all of this is his fault. Casemiro's performances drop and fans target him and Casemiro talks about how he doesn't want to move proving that he can hear this pressure. His performances improve with many performances being vital in this season and suddenly the fans act like they did nothing wrong. Same happened with Eriksen last year who was targeted for being too old.

Some would believe that its them targeting these players is why these players improve rather than their own hardworking characteristics.

You want more?

Inconsistent players like Dalot gets a lot of hate after alot of good performances for us over the last two seasons when playing at RB. People see his performances at LB and people can't stand him. High IQ there.

Dorgu - People have given up on him already because he isn't crossing in the ball like Beckham.

Vidic & Evra.

Our fans are the worst in the world and for every action there is a reaction. Our fans assume their voice has no negative influence on the club but believe they only have positive influences on the club. That is not support, it's a delusion lower footballing IQ than Garnacho's.
Covid killed whether Brexit would work or not as having to spend over 60 billion quid on Covid blurred any gain or loss
 
Covid killed whether Brexit would work or not as having to spend over 60 billion quid on Covid blurred any gain or loss

Ten Hag killed United and how our team and squad utilised 20 year old players blurring any benefits too :)
 
Conte apparently wants him at any cost. Let’s hope Utd test his resolve with a £60 mill price tag
I don't think he'll be sold...... we'll sell Rashford, Sancho and Antony. Infact Hojlund should be sold first before we consider selling him. Garnacho is incredibly frustrating but he's probably our second best attacker after Amad, which is not saying much but even if we get reinforcement I'll rather see him come off the bench over our other attacking options.
 
Really weird how Garnacho took fewer shots today and instead looked for more cut backs and suddenly everyone’s talking about how much more effective he was and how it was his best game in ages.
Indeed and lets look at the reasons for that. Do we think Garnacho had some sudden revelation (maybe he reads the Caf?!) and decided to stop shooting, or was there something tactical about the opposition that caused that change in behaviour?

It's almost like he was playing vs a team that sat back and defended the middle of the pitch, cutting off that space and limiting our ability to play on the counter, reducing the space for him to cut inside and shoot while increasing the chance for cutbacks and crosses.

Goes back to what I was saying about the style of play being a major factor and how playing in a settled team that controls games will help him... It's why I highlighted players like Eze and Cunha who play similar counter attacking styles we usually use Garnacho for, their job in that style is much more about goals than in games where the team has control.
 
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Indeed and lets look at the reasons for that. Do we think Garnacho had some sudden revelation (maybe he reads the Caf?!) and decided to stop shooting, or was there something tactical about the opposition that caused that change in behaviour?

It's almost like he was playing vs a team that sat back and defended the middle of the pitch, cutting off that space and limiting our ability to play on the counter, reducing the space for him to cut inside and shoot while increasing the chance for cutbacks and crosses.

Goes back to what I was saying about the style of play being a major factor and how playing in a settled team that controls games will help him... It's why I highlighted players like Eze and Cunha who play similar counter attacking styles we usually use Garnacho for, their job in that style is much more about goals than in games where the team has control.

The straw clutching here is really something.

We’ve had lots of periods against other teams where we’ve been on the front foot with the opposition sitting back, and Garnacho has still opted for the shot over the team option. Just look at that shot collection that was posted. Some were on the counter or in the open, but many were forced shots when lots of defenders were back, hence all the blocks.
 
The straw clutching here is really something.

We’ve had lots of periods against other teams where we’ve been on the front foot with the opposition sitting back, and Garnacho has still opted for the shot over the team option. Just look at that shot collection that was posted. Some were on the counter or in the open, but many were forced shots when lots of defenders were back, hence all the blocks.
Not sure the guy who felt the need to resurrect an argument after one game against a team who defend like Wolves do is in any position to be complaining about straws :D

It's a compilation of 40 shots, of course there are some against set defences. It doesn't change the fact that playing against teams that defend centrally and don't offer chances in transition cut down on your inside forwards opportunities to shoot, which is why our inside forward didn't shoot as much as he usually does.

But please, keep resurrecting this and expecting nobody else to point out what happened in the actual game. That'll work great for you.
 
Not sure the guy who felt the need to resurrect an argument after one game against a team who defend like Wolves do is in any position to be complaining about straws :D

It's a compilation of 40 shots, of course there are some against set defences. It doesn't change the fact that playing against teams that defend centrally and don't offer chances in transition cut down on your inside forwards opportunities to shoot, which is why our inside forward didn't shoot as much as he usually does.

But please, keep resurrecting this and expecting nobody else to point out what happened in the actual game. That'll work great for you.

Your ability to miss the point is consistently impressive.

Garnacho shooting less and passing more was an improvement. He should do that more often.
 
Your ability to miss the point is consistently impressive.

Garnacho shooting less and passing more was an improvement. He should do that more often.
Again, it's not really missing the point, given you're just making arguments against something you are either deliberately misinterpreting or simply don't understand. That's okay though.

Yes, I agree, he'd put in better performances if we played Wolves every week. I'm sure quite a lot of our players would. Sadly other teams play differently and force different demands on wide players. It's why it's best not to put too much stock in one game.
 
Again, it's not really missing the point, given you're just making arguments against something you are either deliberately misinterpreting or simply don't understand. That's okay though.

Yes, I agree, he'd put in better performances if we played Wolves every week. I'm sure quite a lot of our players would. Sadly other teams play differently and force different demands on wide players. It's why it's best not to put too much stock in one game.

It’s not on one game. It’s based on a season’s worth of Garnacho being selfish and too often forcing shots when he should pass.
 
It’s not on one game. It’s based on a season’s worth of Garnacho being selfish and too often forcing shots when he should pass.
I think we both know I was talking about you bumping this discussion because Garnacho played one game vs Wolves when he shot less and tried to claim it was more than it is. But I'm glad for the opportunity to clarify it for you.
 
I think we both know I was talking about you bumping this discussion because Garnacho played one game vs Wolves when he shot less and tried to claim it was more than it is. But I'm glad for the opportunity to clarify it for you.

The point is I’m hoping it’s not a one off - he would be a better player if him shooting less and passing more became a more consistent thing, as per my original argument with you.
 
I personally think Garnacho would be a better player if he wore a straw hat and passed more.

He's already got Prison Break tattoos, why not get inspired by Luffy anyways.
 
The point is I’m hoping it’s not a one off - he would be a better player if him shooting less and passing more became a more consistent thing, as per my original argument with you.
And you're more than welcome to hold that opinion and have that hope, but if you're going to bump the thread after one game against a team who like Wolves then it's obviously going to be pointed out to you.

If you want to make an argument based on a reasonable sample then I'll read it out of politeness, but one game against Wolves of all teams is not 'let's restart this discussion' worthy.
 
And you're more than welcome to hold that opinion and have that hope, but if you're going to bump the thread after one game against a team who like Wolves then it's obviously going to be pointed out to you.

If you want to make an argument based on a reasonable sample then I'll read it out of politeness, but one game against Wolves of all teams is not 'let's restart this discussion' worthy.

The good news is, I know there will be more than one game I can bump it on!

Because everyone apart from you apparently seems to agree that Garnacho shoots too much and doesn’t pass enough.
 
The good news is, I know there will be more than one game I can bump it on!

Because everyone apart from you apparently seems to agree that Garnacho shoots too much and doesn’t pass enough.
I'm sure that's how you feel.