[Regulus Arcturus Black]

I feel for him being criticised,

He had a bad game, we all love him.

We called Keane shit when he had a shit day and the same with Rooney.

Why are you feeling sorry for him? Every single sportsman in the World gets criticised when they play poorly man, and Garnacho has had only praise heaped on him all season.

 

[arthurka]

Overplayed and depended on a teenager all season and then blames the kid for looking tired and sluggish and having a rough half.

He is genuinely as terrible a manager as he is a coach

This, it's not on a teenager that the manager and the club have miss managed the squad to the point that a 18 and 19 year old teenagers have to play every single game. He was poor but so were most of our players apart from Onana.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

This is one where I don't blame Garnacho and as a young lad would have probably done the same. Look at it from his perspective:

1. A young player who has dragged us out the mud numerous times this season.
2. Full of energy and always putting in effort.
3. Not causing shakes in the media.
4. Playing alongside numerous players on massive wages and never performing, but still being protected.

ETH see's Garnacho as an easy target, yet Rashford, Bruno, Casimero he is terrified of.

Should he be allowed to neglect basic duties and have an absolute horror show, possibly even costing us the game because he’s been good this year?

What bizarre logic. You get subbed based on today, not fecking last week, he was a liability and their left back ripped him a new one, it happens and he rightfully got subbed.

 

[Member 128571]

We should transition to 3-5-2 under a new manager anyway imo.

So no place for wingers in the classic sence. Could probably foster 80-90 million for him right now.

Dalot and Frimpong (or Antony if we can't get Frimpong) as wingbacks.

 

[TwoSheds]

Not quite the worst player on the pitch yesterday but only because Kambwala was exposed by his defensive partners. Casemiro and Dalot were utterly appalling and yet Garnacho was significantly worse. You've not made it yet and you need to remember that Alejandro.

 

[SER19]

This is one where I don't blame Garnacho and as a young lad would have probably done the same. Look at it from his perspective:

1. A young player who has dragged us out the mud numerous times this season.
2. Full of energy and always putting in effort.
3. Not causing shakes in the media.
4. Playing alongside numerous players on massive wages and never performing, but still being protected.

ETH see's Garnacho as an easy target, yet Rashford, Bruno, Casimero he is terrified of.

I think once again ten hags comments were very mild and in the context of praise. He's been a huge cheerleader for garnacho. I look around other clubs and managers often say similar sorts of things about individual errors, or young players making mistakes- I worry that this again just points a cultural problem. Guardiola literally went onto the pitch recently, berating grealish in front of the camera. Imagine ten hag did that to garnacho?

I really do see garnacho's point - but if you read the quotes from ten hag, nothing justifies making such a furore by liking the posts of a really divisive fan account who slates your teammates weekly. Lastly, ten hag has criticised and dropped rashford more than once. He can hardly be accused of being afraid of senior players after ronaldo, dropping maguire and taking captaincy. that feels like cherry picking to me.

He hooked casemiro earlier in season and was not massively subtle in saying why.

 

[SER19]

He had a bad game, we all love him.

We called Keane shit when he had a shit day and the same with Rooney.

Why are you feeling sorry for him? Every single sportsman in the World gets criticised when they play poorly man, and Garnacho has had only praise heaped on him all season.

i mean to say i empathise - i can understand why he might feel hard done by, but yeah I agree with you competely too, getting some criticism cant be an excuse for such a childish response on social media. See my post above this one, adds some context to what im saying

 

[Lash]

Agreed. We already have too many careless players with the ball and a forward who loses it too often too. We can’t afford to have both wingers doing it although we certainly need one else we’ll never create anything.

Especially when Bruno isn't secure with it, but that's because he's at least creating something - it's too much chaos.

 

[Marwood]

Probably mentioned already but ETH said he hadn't trained all week. Only the day before the game.

So why play him?!

 

[Lash]

Probably mentioned already but ETH said he hadn't trained all week. Only the day before the game.

So why play him?!

Well I imagine he asked him if he was ready to play and got the OK.

 

[mu4c_20le]

Well I imagine he asked him if he was ready to play and got the OK.

Must be really easy being a manager nowadays.

 

[Silverman]

I don't see any problem with Ten Hag taking him off but if i was Garnacho, I would be rightly pissed off if my manager spoke negatively about me in the post match press intevrio while players like Martial and Rashford have gotten away scot free with numerous half arsed performances.

 

[Lash]

Must be really easy being a manager nowadays.

It's happened for decades. People play with injections and Rashford played with a back injury because he said it was fine to.

 

[RuudTom83]

I feel for him being criticised, he's dragged us out of shit this season and been one of our few consistent performers, but once again- players need to stop this shit on social media. Even when they're right, this only hurts the club, the supporters and ultimately teammates. Get your agent, if you need to, and deal with it face to face. Its embarrassing and any employee in any workplace if treated unfairly by their boss, took their shit to social media, would also be embarrassing.

Not to mention he's liking a guy who absolutely destroys his teammates on a regular basis.

It's a total lack of leaders in the dressing room. You would hope the senior players would destroy any younger player for social media posts that do nothing but cause drama for the club.

EtH's quotes were tame and in no way did he cross the line as a manager. But the players know the manager is on thin ice, so any time they are substituted we get the head shaking and liking tweets from bellends on socials.

 

[Unam333]

It's a total lack of leaders in the dressing room. You would hope the senior players would destroy any younger player for social media posts that do nothing but cause drama for the club.

EtH's quotes were tame and in no way did he cross the line as a manager. But the players know the manager is on thin ice, so any time they are substituted we get the head shaking and liking tweets from bellends on socials.

100% this. It's actually ridiculous. It was such a tame response, but hey, it's United. Even non-news is big news apparently.

 

[IRN-BRUno]

Poor yesterday but he's started the last 30 games in a row so it's understandable that his performance levels are beginning to drop. We've been relying on him a lot this season but he could have done with a rest at some point during the last 6 months.

 

[Trigg]

Probably mentioned already but ETH said he hadn't trained all week. Only the day before the game.

So why play him?!

Desperation.

 

[lilcurt]

Should he be allowed to neglect basic duties and have an absolute horror show, possibly even costing us the game because he’s been good this year?

What bizarre logic. You get subbed based on today, not fecking last week, he was a liability and their left back ripped him a new one, it happens and he rightfully got subbed.

He is a left winger who has been our best player in that position this year. He was pushed to the right to make way for the media darling Rashford who has been awful all season, but because he is the face of the club is seemingly undroppable. I don't expect a 19 year old being moved out of position to play fantastically.

I don't have a problem subbing him, if the manager is seen to hold others to the same standard. So no, I'm not excusing the performance I just think you don't use one of the kids who is having an off day to make an example, instead you address the bigger problems.

 

[QuietOn Fortune]

Funny how much crap people write about Ten Hag on Redcafe but soon as Garnacho does it - its very very bad.

For me, I'm so tired of Ten Hag that I'm perfectly fine with the players showing tiredness of the manager. I was actually celebrating when Willy Kam gave a last minute penalty to Bournemouth & was gutted that is was out of the line.

He is crap. Let him deal with him being crap.

This is why I think Rashford has shown 0 work rate all season & personally I'm perfectly fine with it because I know if I played for United under Ten Hag - my work rate would diminish aswell.

Ive given up on Ten Hag & so has the players. I wouldn't play like Park Ji Sung for Ten Hag at United. I'd be playing like Berbatov whilst I'd be screaming like Bruno after every shot & pass that i miss.

It's just hell right now & Ten Hag is rubbish. Let him deal with the stink.

Playing RB's at LB, playing a poacher with Inverted forwards. Playing 2 CAM'S with a CDM. Going after Amrabat, Weghorst, Mount, Malacia, Onana Antony and so much rubbish.

I'm fully supportive of every player that doesn't press or track back on purpose because Ten Hag's tactics does not deserve any athleticism or stamina.

They will be plenty of obese fans saying they would work hard for the badge which is bullsh*t.

If you worked for a crap manager or a horrible doctor that made your work worse and hire absolutely crap people to work with - you are not going to work 120% hard just for your love for the NHS.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

He is a left winger who has been our best player in that position this year. He was pushed to the right to make way for the media darling Rashford who has been awful all season.

Actually think Garna has been excellent on the right myself? Yesterday was the anomaly.

 

[Sarni]

Silly boy, should have known better than to like those Goldbridge tweets. This could very well be the end of season for him. One thing ETH has been very consistent with is being a harsh disciplinarian (aside from when Rashford was involved), he’s not going to let it slide.

 

[Leethal]

Fine him. Anyone who does this shit bringing the club into disrepute, and undermining the manager, should be fined accordingly. Club needs to set a standard, and start hitting these entitled players in the pockets for unacceptable behaviour.

 

[Grande]

Which United players with plus 20 league games this season do you think is good enough to start regularily for Brighton, Newcastle, Villa or Spurs?

Brighton isn't in the top 8 but Garnacho wouldn't start for them at full strength either.

From the rest of the team, it's Fernandes, Mainoo, and Dalot. Onana for a couple of them, Maguire and McTominay for WHU. None from the forward line.

Garnacho

So I take it you both think Ten Hag has done a very good job of coaching this year, getting the available squad to fight above their weight measured in player quality?

It certainly balances out some of the other opinions around.

For me, I think you are not so wrong in terms of Garnacho’s current strength. Which to me is very impressive for his age, given the current spending power of the PL. I think it is very good that Ten Hag has given him so many minutes, thinking ahead, while it also reflects to me the lack of good attacking options we’ve had, given Sancho’s personal implosion, Antony’s fall from useful to lost post investigation/blackmail, Rashfords reentering the dark side of his cyclical development, Martial’s injuries/showing his true nature, Amad’s stunted development due to injury, you could add Mount’s injuries and of course Greenwood’s continuing limbo situation.

I think an optimist would have said that we had a reasonable wealth of options going into the season, if not necessarily the quality of the best teams up front. At this point, it aeems the pessimists have been vindicated on almost every possible count.

In view of that, I think Garnacho and Højlund deserve praise for taking more than decent turns at having much more responsibility than they should reasonably have.

 

[Cassidy]

So I take it you both think Ten Hag has done a very good job of coaching this year, getting the available squad to fight above their weight measured in player quality?

It certainly balances out some of the other opinions around.

For me, I think you are not so wrong in terms of Garnacho’s current strength. Which to me is very impressive for his age, given the current spending power of the PL. I think it is very good that Ten Hag has given him so many minutes, thinking ahead, while it also reflects to me the lack of good attacking options we’ve had, given Sancho’s personal implosion, Antony’s fall from useful to lost post investigation/blackmail, Rashfords reentering the dark side of his cyclical development, Martial’s injuries/showing his true nature, Amad’s stunted development due to injury, you could add Mount’s injuries and of course Greenwood’s continuing limbo situation.

I think an optimist would have said that we had a reasonable wealth of options going into the season, if not necessarily the quality of the best teams up front. At this point, it aeems the pessimists have been vindicated on almost every possible count.

In view of that, I think Garnacho and Højlund deserve praise for taking more than decent turns at having much more responsibility than they should reasonably have.

Not sure where you got that from.

However, Bruno Fernandes, Rashford, Garnacho, would all regularly play for Brighton, Newcastle, Villa and Spurs.
Hojlund would regularly play for Brighton and get a lot of games at Spurs
Mainoo would get games at all those clubs (hes playing for England)

Wouldn't be surprised to see Maguire play for Newcastle and he would get games at Brighton too
Dalot would get games at Brighton, Newcastle and Villa on his form this season
Onana would plat at Brighton and Newcastle, infact he would play at all those clubs at the start of this season

 

[RuudTom83]

I don't see any problem with Ten Hag taking him off but if i was Garnacho, I would be rightly pissed off if my manager spoke negatively about me in the post match press intevrio while players like Martial and Rashford have gotten away scot free with numerous half arsed performances.

Ignoring the overly dramatic headlines...this is what the manager said.


"It was too easy on the right side. There was a big gap. It was clear and obvious."

"We had to repair the right side. We didn’t play well. We had to bring a sub there."

"Garnacho was ill in the week and wasn’t training. We thought to bring some energy and quality, and the sense of cooperation on the right side."


If a grown man playing professional football at the top level can't take those comments then something is badly wrong.

 

[Cassidy]

Ignoring the overly dramatic headlines...this is what the manager said.


"It was too easy on the right side. There was a big gap. It was clear and obvious."

"We had to repair the right side. We didn’t play well. We had to bring a sub there."

"Garnacho was ill in the week and wasn’t training. We thought to bring some energy and quality, and the sense of cooperation on the right side."


If a grown man playing professional football at the top level can't take those comments then something is badly wrong.

I very much doubt he would have been upset about these comments by the manager. What happened on social media after the comments is another story

 

[Grande]

Not sure where you got that from.

However, Bruno Fernandes, Rashford, Garnacho, would all regularly play for Brighton, Newcastle, Villa and Spurs.
Hojlund would regularly play for Brighton and get a lot of games at Spurs
Mainoo would get games at all those clubs (hes playing for England)

Wouldn't be surprised to see Maguire play for Newcastle and he would get games at Brighton too
Dalot would get games at Brighton, Newcastle and Villa on his form this season
Onana would plat at Brighton and Newcastle, infact he would play at all those clubs at the start of this season

It was a deduction from your first answer to the question of which players (not ‘player’) with 20 league games or more for United would start regularily for any top 8 clubs (and Brighton), and you answering solely ‘Garnacho’. Seems you misunderstood the question the first time, or I interpreted you in line with the poster whose post I answered to begin with. The logic for those that think none of our forward players would be first choices for teams we are around or above this season, the coaching has to be good to compensate for that.

Tbh your assessment point to us having slightly better first eleven material to Brighton this season, equal to Newcastle and a bit below Spurs and Villa, depending on if you mean ‘get games’ is the same as ‘being regular starter’ or not.

 

[Gabriel Djemba-Bebe]

For me, I'm so tired of Ten Hag that I'm perfectly fine with the players showing tiredness of the manager. I was actually celebrating when Willy Kam gave a last minute penalty to Bournemouth & was gutted that is was out of the line.

To put it kindly, that's very weird behaviour.

 

[Red in STL]

To put it kindly, that's very weird behaviour.

It's the behavior of a someone who doesn't support the team

 

[FreakyJim]

should be fined and sidelined for the next month for this crap, and that's the least the club could do

I don't care if he's the most talented youngster in the team. You can't go around social media disrespecting your manager. Where else is this happening, at which club? It's fecking embarrassing.

This player power disease should be cured. Set standards and replace the rotten apples.

 

[QuietOn Fortune]

It's the behavior of a someone who doesn't support the team

No I support the team but don't support ten Hag.

Losing the match would have been good because ten Hag losing to such a team would have sacked him.

I support the players more than the manager & only really put the manager down whilst I have no problem with players like Rashord or Bruno Fernandes.

 

[MadDogg]

He is a left winger who has been our best player in that position this year. He was pushed to the right to make way for the media darling Rashford who has been awful all season, but because he is the face of the club is seemingly undroppable. I don't expect a 19 year old being moved out of position to play fantastically.

I don't have a problem subbing him, if the manager is seen to hold others to the same standard. So no, I'm not excusing the performance I just think you don't use one of the kids who is having an off day to make an example, instead you address the bigger problems.

He was almost as bad as Rashford this season while he was playing on the left. Equally as bad on the ball, but just a bit harder working.

It was only after he got moved to the right that he instantly shot into good form. Since then when he's had games on the left he's had some good and some bad. Overall he's been much better on the right.

 

[Red in STL]

No I support the team but don't support ten Hag.

Losing the match would have been good because ten Hag losing to such a team would have sacked him.

I support the players more than the manager & only really put the manager down whilst I have no problem with players like Rashord or Bruno Fernandes.

Real supporters of a team don't want them to lose - ever

 

[amolbhatia50k]

I think he'll move on because he's going to be good enough to play for anyone he wants.

Nah he’s promising but he’s nowhere near that level right now. Has a lot of rough edges and has to improve his end product.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

No I support the team but don't support ten Hag.

Losing the match would have been good because ten Hag losing to such a team would have sacked him.

I support the players more than the manager & only really put the manager down whilst I have no problem with players like Rashord or Bruno Fernandes.

Ten Hag will get sacked either way. The players (most at least) are out there giving their best for the shirt and you’re willing the other team to succeed. Great “support”.

 

[NewGlory]

Must be really easy being a manager nowadays.

Perfect response

 

[NewGlory]

Nah he’s promising but he’s nowhere near that level right now. Has a lot of rough edges and has to improve his end product.

He is 19. Ten Hag starting him every game is ridiculous.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

He is 19. Ten Hag starting him every game is ridiculous.

It’s not ridiculous. Teenagers becoming regular starters whilst not ideal for Manchester United is also A) logical as per the current options and 2) not that strange given it happens all the time. He’s not 15 ffs.

 

[NewGlory]

It’s not ridiculous. Teenagers becoming regular starters whilst not ideal for Manchester United is also A) logical as per the current options and 2) not that strange given it happens all the time. He’s not 15 ffs.

If he were 15 he wouldn't start a single game Ten Hag is very bad at properly rotating players. Would it not have been better to start Amad and rest Garnacho than to sub him at half time and humiliate him, as if he were the only poorly-performing player? Why the feck was Casemiro not subbed, who was absolute garbage?

 

[amolbhatia50k]

If he were 15 he wouldn't start a single game Ten Hag is very bad at properly rotating players. Would it not have been better to start Amad and rest Garnacho than to sub him at half time and humiliate him, as if he were the only poorly-performing player? Why the feck was Casemiro not subbed, who was absolute garbage?

I don’t disagree on Casemiro. He’s been laughably bad. Not sure about rotating players - my stance is that if a 19 year is getting regular game time at a club of United’s stature and in the best league in Europe, then they’re in a privileged position.