Agreed. I was a matchgoing fan from 1976 to 2018, and I'd never witnessed anything like Ronaldo that season - before or since. Not just the amount of goals, but the quality of them and his overall play. You know when you're witnessing something special.
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Agreed. I was a matchgoing fan from 1976 to 2018, and I'd never witnessed anything like Ronaldo that season - before or since. Not just the amount of goals, but the quality of them and his overall play. You know when you're witnessing something special.
Don’t reply to me with babble nor move the goal posts. You’re the one in this thread posting spineless drivel about United having release clauses as if we’re a feeder club or something.
You posted sources that amount to hearing a drunkard in a pub saying “my uncle is a janitor at United, he told me we’ll be selling xyz” and made up some extra nonsense for added spice about speeches and whatnot.
My post to you isn’t about Garnacho - but about the nonsensical fear-mongering going as far as suggesting we’re doing release clauses.
“Will he ever be 1 in 1 gl per game?”
yes, because that’s the litmus test players go through to ascertain their quality, right? You just have a bag full of wingers and wide forwards that are “1 in 1 goals per game” that you can point to. This forum is full on unserious posts.
Why can’t people ever just back down after making a stupid post? Instead of just admitting you got duped by dubious sources like the Daily Star you doubled down and accused people of crying when in all honesty you look like the one throwing a hissy fit because you’ve been called out on a discussion forum (shocker, right?)
Sure. He wouldn’t done any better than friggin Rashford who would have probably got 5 starts all season for the 06/07 team and sold within two years. I’m convinced some off you just watch our highlights / goals / scorelines. Rashford at his best gets you decent end product and given the rest of his game, has never ever come anywhere remotely near 06/07 Ronaldo. That Ronaldo was either the best or second best player in the world. Rashford has never been that and never will be. His best achievement will be some clowns comparing him to Mbappe and more clowns now comparing him to Ronaldo.Your only logic is that he wouldnt start. That just proves my point about how strong the team was back then.
Yes great teams are generally made up of great players. We don’t have great players these days.
Saying 06/07 Ronaldo would not do better than Rashford is pure idiocy.
And the best player in that team was Ronaldo, that itself should prove the point you are making wrong.
That Ronaldo would've done even better playing alongside Antony and Weghorst?
That Antony and Co would do much better having a genuinely top class player next to them.
looks like a great cameo, he’s improved a lot since last season. Really like how he has his head up and is looking for a pass now - last season (and the start of this season) the only thing on his mind is to cut in and shoot.
Last week we suddenly had Marca banging on about Florentino's plans for Garnacho, which included meeting up with him when they go to play City away. They mentioned a release clause "believed to be 100M dollars".
I can't see them not knowing if it exists, if it did exist they'd just say it's 100M and I've no idea why we would set clauses in USD.
One thing he has some room for development is his technique. He loves to take on his defender and uses his pace to get past them, but it often takes a couple of touches for him to kill the ball before he can start dribbling. Nothing major but he will be even better if he can hone out some of those average touches.
Need ETH to give us a Garnacho-Hojlund-Amad front 3 a few times before the end of the season.
Not really because none of us have access to His contract, therefore we have to assume that’s it’s 50/50 he could potentially have a buy out clause, my point is why lose sleep over a 19 year old if you can potentially get £85m for him, we don’t know, yes the sources are dubious, however there’s is nothing in the media that says that he does not have a buy out clause either, why stress players come and go and I still need to see much more from any of our strikers before I anoint them Hero and God worship like many blind fans do after a few decent games!
I know it highlights but that's a lot of efficient good link up play, lay offs and decision making. I'm not trying to complain too much but it would have been nice if he had this kind of distribution when playing with Hojlund the past few months.
Gets better game by game.
He'd be the best player in the league.
Ronaldo's 2006-2007 season is incredibly underrated.
I don't even think Rashford was at his best last season. Scoring wise, sure, but his general play was lacking. I still think his 19/20 season before the injury against Wolves was his peak. Was a big goal threat alongside his general play being impressive.
I'd say that Rashford was closer to 06/07 Ronaldo but still not as good, and that's no slight on Rashford. Ronaldo was just that good.
I'd say that Rashford was closer to 06/07 Ronaldo but still not as good, and that's no slight on Rashford. Ronaldo was just that good.
"still not as good" should be "still not anywhere near as good". Ronaldo that season was outstanding and it is the season he took his game into elite level. All he added after was more goals, but his impact on the team, ability to change games, and overall quality was already there 06/07. If playing today at that level he would be on par with the best attacking players in the world, without a doubt. Rashford isn't. I can't believe this is a debate that is even happening, especially in the wake of how shit Rashford has shown himself to be far too many times. How does he always find himself in the conversation with players like Mbappe, and now near prime Ronaldo ffs?
Rashford wasn't even close to Ronaldo's 06/07 season in terms of overall performances and we'd do very well if Garnacho or any player reached half that level.
Ronaldo was only behind Kaka that season as the best in the world, and won the PFA and Young player of the year awards. I remember Scholes saying he'd never seen a player play as well as Ronaldo had that season (and this is a guy who played with Eric Cantona, David Beckham and Roy Keane at their best years).
Ronaldo was only behind Kaka that season as the best in the world, and won the PFA and Young player of the year awards. I remember Scholes saying he'd never seen a player play as well as Ronaldo had that season (and this is a guy who played with Eric Cantona, David Beckham and Roy Keane at their best years).
It’s rarely a skill that evolves that much over time, but it feels like Garnacho’s decision making has improved very very much this season. Knows when and not to be selfish.
The increase in quality with Ronaldo in 2006/2007 is something I haven't seen in world football since. It's like he went from being a 5/10 player the previous year, to a 8.5/10 that season, and all of this in a span of a summer, followed by a World Cup conflict with Rooney. I know that if you look at the goals scored, there is not much of a difference, but the eye test was there for everyone to see.
Garnacho is hitting all the right notes so far with his progress, and I'm getting surprised by his endurance this season, as he has started 20+ consecutive matches for us. Think the exact number is like 25. He was sprinting against Liverpool after 120 minutes of brutal tempo to set up the winning goal, against a fresh player from the opposing side. He clearly is working on all the elements where he needs to improve. Next will probably be to bulk him a bit, as he is easily brushed off the ball.
I'm happy that Real Madrid are covered in the position where he plays for the foreseeable future, as I know that someday he will want to go to Real Madrid, and it would hurt just like when Cristiano left.
Garnacho is hitting all the right notes so far with his progress, and I'm getting surprised by his endurance this season, as he has started 20+ consecutive matches for us. Think the exact number is like 25. He was sprinting against Liverpool after 120 minutes of brutal tempo to set up the winning goal, against a fresh player from the opposing side. He clearly is working on all the elements where he needs to improve. Next will probably be to bulk him a bit, as he is easily brushed off the ball.
I'm happy that Real Madrid are covered in the position where he plays for the foreseeable future, as I know that someday he will want to go to Real Madrid, and it would hurt just like when Cristiano left.
I have a feeling he'll be our next player to score 30 goals in a season.
I don’t think this is accurate, Ronaldo in the second half of the 05/06 season was showing signs of becoming world class.
This kid gets better every single week. Delighted we have him and it has to be at least a tiny feather in Eth’s cap that he’s the one to be cultivating this. Dealt with him extremely well imo.
Apart from stating that Rashford and Ronaldo never belong in the same sentence, Rashford and Ronaldo never belong in the same sentence. Garnacho, on the other hand, has the potential to belong in the same sentence as Ronaldo.
Of the current crop, it's far more likely to be between Rashford, Hojlund and Bruno considering their positions and profiles.
If he's scoring 30 goals, he would likely be our main goal scoring threat, which wouldn't exactly be a good thing cause it might mean there's some systematic issue, our players are performing poorly and Garnacho himself may not be doing his job properly.
Rashford 2022/23 wasn't in this bracket?
Did you watch him that season? He controversially, came 2nd in the ballon d'or that year. Should have won it.
Pogba could have/should been one of our greats, but he left the club before he fully joined the first team. Rashford broke into the team about the same age as Garnacho. Debatable whever he had more potential at 19 but can accept the argument.
Not as easy on the eye but Garnacho looks a better bet than Martial did at 19. Mostly due to what you said about mentalitly.
I'm ignoring Greenwood.
Anderson, Phil Jones, Rafael never had anywhere near the potential the others mentioned had. They all could have been great players, but anyone really think they'd reach "the very top"?
I think most thought Jones, Anderson, Rafael were destined to be top players, like among the best in their position.
There were posts/threads comparing Rafael with Dani Alves.
Top players as in potential first teamers for a top club. Long shot potentials for best in world in their positions like a lot of young prospects. They were all gambles.
Would have shorter odds on the likes of Garnacho making it to a higher level than any of them.
So is Garnacho.
For sure. Nothing is guaranteed.
Garnacho has a better chance of making it to a higher level than any of those guys did though.
All we can do is assess potential and make a prediction. Some predictions are more obvious than others. Still doesn't mean any will end up right.
That's because all those young players didn't fulfill their potential because of various reasons, doesn't mean they weren't high potential players like Garnacho.
If anything player like Anderson was even highly rated, Phil Jones too. There was lot of buzz around Rafael and most thought we were set for next 10 years with Rafael who will be for sure Brazilian NT RB.
I don't see Garnacho as someone who will be up with the best players in the world. He still can be awesome player for us.
Of course not. He was very good not top class. Until Casemiro fell off a hill he was better and until Martinez got injured he was our clear best player. Rashford had good end product (17 league goals btw) but his poor football intelligence and limited ability in tight spaces bring his overall level down significantly. Some players have the basic qualities to be top class and some don’t - Rashfords basic technical skillset means he’ll never reach there. Martial had it but sadly lacked the application.
I just realised you think 22/23 Rashford was as 06/07 Ronaldo so you may as well ignore my what said given your views of Rashford are so bizarre.
I don't think Garnacho will end up as one of the best players in the word in his position either to be honest but he has a chance to be. I never saw that with the other guys mentioned (who we signed as first team players btw). Apart from Rafael tbf, I thought he was brilliant and could have ended up one of the best right backs around.
Rashford's last year level was between Ronaldo 06/07 and Richardson 06/07. As you said Ronaldo was considered the second best player in the world back then. He had already been probably the best player of his national team the last summer.
Rashford was not even good for a few good months last year and was probably not even our best player. He is not even a starter at his national team. It's almost a blasphemy to compare their season.
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