And I thought Madrid fans were clueless and biased. Obviously you paid no attention to Rooney at the time and I wouldn't bet against the issue repeating itself with Januzaj now. Stay in your cloud-cuckoo land where every La Masia's graduate is already top notch.
Adnan Januzaj
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I know its a club event, I'm just saying that his outstanding talent and domination was recognised
No it does not. His technical ability and mentality are there independently of whether he played for Belgium u18s, Spain u21s, The Dog and Duck second 11 or whoever. He has stepped up to every level and been one of the top players in every team he's played in.. and that has continued to the first team now, unlike Deulofeu. You should be amazed that a relatively inexperienced 18 year old is doing better than your wonderful internationally experienced lad.
Deolfeu looks selfish and well off the pace for Everton. Januzaj starred for Manchester United in a vital away game.
Comparing the two is harsh on Januzaj
Comparing the two is harsh on Januzaj
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Deulofeu looks another Bojan to me, to be honest.
OOoo you're in for it now!
On comparing Adnan to Messi.. that is a little silly. Messi, even at 16 was incomparable- an absolute genius.
He's better (or at least more efficient) than Ronaldo was at 18 though, and I really thought Ronaldo was brilliant at 18
Bojan? If anything, Bojan is closer to Januzaj which itself is a bit wayward comparison. Deulofeu would be your Spanish, younger Sturridge more like.
Too easy.
Hence my comment about hyperbole. The vids are out there on youtube, plenty from 16-18 years of age for both Barcelona & Argentina, he was incomparable even then. Hell, even his vids at 5 years of age reveal a player that was always light years ahead of his peers.
If Rooney/Scholes/Rio was born somewhere else because his parents were forced to leave thier country because of war, I am sure people in this forum would have been saying that he should choose England.
Well that is fair enough, I just think that people are entitled to get very excited about the lad, he's justifying the hype and looks like he's going to be a very special player in his own right (whether that is for us, or he moves on). Can't say he doesn't exactly merit discussion after scoring a brace of that quality in a tight away match, even if comparison to Messi is a step or two too far.
Alot of talk about England being a possibility for him to opt to play for? Surely that can't happen? Isn't there an agreement between the home nations that non-British born players have to have lived and been trained in the respective country for 5 years prior to their 18th birthday? or is it 16th? He's only been here a couple of years and is already 18.
I don't think he'd pick England anyway. I think his refusal to play for Belgium so far might indicate he wants to pick Albania.
I don't even care who he picks. As long as he picks United! I hope he doesn't leave. Alot of clubs were after him before we signed him and he chose us, and he's broken into the side already. I can't see what would have changed for him, unless other clubs really are willing to throw money at him.
I don't think he'd pick England anyway. I think his refusal to play for Belgium so far might indicate he wants to pick Albania.
I don't even care who he picks. As long as he picks United! I hope he doesn't leave. Alot of clubs were after him before we signed him and he chose us, and he's broken into the side already. I can't see what would have changed for him, unless other clubs really are willing to throw money at him.
The first I heard of the England thing was yesterday when someone said that those on MUTV were saying he wanted to play for England. Then Moyes comes out and says England want him.
Playing for England is honestly the worst thing he can do. The pressure and media intensity can kill a young player.
He only lived in Belgium during his early childhood and then moved to the UK by his mid-teens. I'd assume that, like most immigrants, his parents spoke their mother-tongue at home and that since his move to Manchester, the culture created by his Mum and Dad at his family house has harked back more to Albania than the country they only lived in for a few years. The fact he's never answered the call for Belgium also suggests he doesn't have a great affinity for that country. I think that there generally tends to be a much stronger sense of historic nationalism amongst people from the Balkans than most other places.
If I had to guess, I'd say he'll either pick Albania (if he listens to his Dad) or England (if doesn't care about the politics of international football, but fancies a higher profile and more opportunities to play in tournaments).
If I had to guess, I'd say he'll either pick Albania (if he listens to his Dad) or England (if doesn't care about the politics of international football, but fancies a higher profile and more opportunities to play in tournaments).
What I've seen with my eyes know it's quite a different situation but, I keep thinking back to Macheda when he got the Villa goal and the one at Sunderland the week after - won us 2 very crucial games at the time. A lot of hype got heaped on him because of it and feel as though it went to his head.
Adnan looks a different prospect as he had a lot more to yesterday's game than just the goals and what he's already shown in games past. A real air of confidence about him and was able to outshine players that are often defined as world class.
Adnan looks a different prospect as he had a lot more to yesterday's game than just the goals and what he's already shown in games past. A real air of confidence about him and was able to outshine players that are often defined as world class.
No 'Adnan Januzaj vs Sunderland : All the touches' video yet? You lot are fecking shite.
Woy would still pick James Milner over him.
I thin FCBarca's point is that scoring two goals against doesn't make him a better player than Deulofeu, he is basing that off what Deulofeu has already done. We will know more by the end of the season, Deulofeu is adjusting to a different game in England, though Januzaj has looked the better player it does not mean Deulofeu is not a great prospect in his own right. Januzaj has looked very promising for an 18 year old. FcBarca you will have to forgive any perceived hyperbole, we have had a tough start to the season. This was a great result and something to brighten up the United fans. He looks great, so composed and confident great to see, a pure footballer.
Moyes mentioned the importance of keeping him grounded yesterday. He also seems sensible for a youngster. After his debut said he knows he has to keep working hard. I don't think it'll go to his head at all. He's the sort of lad who will train hard and take things on board to try to retain his place in the team, rather than rest on his laurels. He's made a really quick step-up as this time last year he was still playing for the U18s, but hasn't been overawed or phased by any step-up in level (to the U21s and to the first team), he's taken to it and adjusted really well. He's made it look easy but it'll have taken hard work and dedication. On the tour said he's close to Giggs and goes to him if he needs advice. I'm sure they'll keep him grounded.
Januzaj is a special talent but comparisons with Messi are way OTT. At the same age Messi dominated a great CL game between Chelsea and Barca at SB and was MOM, despite being surrounded by the best players in the world, the likes of Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Deco, Lampard, Drogba, etc. He was something else already at 18.
It will be interesting to see how Januzaj's going to fare against better teams than Sunderland and how he's going to respond when he gets a special treatment from opposition players. Sunderland gave us a game yesterday but they are crap defensively.
It will be interesting to see how Januzaj's going to fare against better teams than Sunderland and how he's going to respond when he gets a special treatment from opposition players. Sunderland gave us a game yesterday but they are crap defensively.
Who compared him to Messi? feck sake.
I'll do it myself then.
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Delighted with the 3 points yesterday. Full credit to Adnan Januzaj on his full debut, two superbly taken goals. The lad has a bright future ahead of him!
Delighted with the 3 points yesterday. Full credit to Adnan Januzaj on his full debut, two superbly taken goals. The lad has a bright future ahead of him!
I've stayed away from this thread deliberately after yesterday's game to avoid the hysterical, reactionary hype about the lad, but please tell me there's not folk here genuinely comparing Januzaj to Messi?!
Why do we constantly have to compare players to players of the past? "He reminds me of X/He moves like Y/He has the style of Z". It's tedious at this stage.
Why do we constantly have to compare players to players of the past? "He reminds me of X/He moves like Y/He has the style of Z". It's tedious at this stage.
I thought the England thing was a joke.
To be fair, Januzaj is still taking too many risks during games. It makes the good stuff look really good, while the bad stuff gets swept under the carpet because he's still a kid.
I would be hesitant to make full-on comparisons until I've seen what he's like when he's ironed a few more of the weaknesses out of his game. If he can keep his productivity up while making fewer errors, then we'll able to say whether he's actually better than such and such a player. For example, Welbeck used to take few risks but his end product was crap; it's only now that he's starting to get over it and we can judge him as something close to what he'll eventually become. That's the balance Januzaj needs to find, albeit in the opposite direction.
I would be hesitant to make full-on comparisons until I've seen what he's like when he's ironed a few more of the weaknesses out of his game. If he can keep his productivity up while making fewer errors, then we'll able to say whether he's actually better than such and such a player. For example, Welbeck used to take few risks but his end product was crap; it's only now that he's starting to get over it and we can judge him as something close to what he'll eventually become. That's the balance Januzaj needs to find, albeit in the opposite direction.
Has anyone started comparing him to Sterling yet? Talent wise that is.
Who hasn't he been compared to? People are getting way ahead of themselves.
good point
And I didn't say or imply anything about people not getting excited over Adnan. I was excited over him in preseason so of course there's enthusiasm, hyperbole is merely a consequence of that...for some.
Cheers. And my initial comment was tongue in cheek as this happens in every forum whenever a talent begins to emerge, some enthusiasm spilled over into muppetry of course but I suppose that too happens.
He does look great and he's a genuine talent, no doubt about it
Better that than the tame performances of our other attackers yesterday. I agree with you though when it comes to us being more forgiving towards him.
I'd rather see a young player take risks and at least try to make something happen (as well as learning from mistakes) than watch Ahsley Young and Valencia run away from goal and make absolutely nothing happen.
This.
Seeing the more experienced players being so passive and not taking the responsibility and 'risk' to make anything happen is infuriating at times.
You expect hiccups with younger players too.
Talking about yesterday's game or just in general? I actually thought he was quite mature most of the time in yesterday's game and I don't really remember him taking unnecessary risks. His passing was good (apart from a misplaced early pass that put pressure on our defence) and I don't really remember him losing the ball that often when going dribbling.
Agreed. Young players being naive is par for the course, and to be expected if we want to keep nurturing young players. We have to accept we they will make mistakes if we want them to play for us. A failed through ball or dribble through defenders is less frustrating to me than watching some of our current static attackers get tackled from not even having a go.
I think Ross Barkley is a good recent example. He does more bad than good on the pitch at the moment, trying to take on too much, perhaps trying to dribble past too many player. He loses the ball alot from risky passes and dribbles, but he's reinforced that Martinez wants him to take these risks and learn from them. It's worth it if he manages to get a goal or an assist or two, and he continues to learn. Let Januzaj be positive and make mistakes. He'll round his game and learn from it.
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