Adnan Januzaj

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shaggy said:
Don't want to be the merchant of doom but it's possible we finish outside the top 4, and then lose Rooney, Kagawa and Januzaj in the summer....
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Anything's possible and that scenario would certainly be disastrous.However we could also remain optimistic that the manager will,given time, turn it around. I'm not saying it will happen overnight but to have some of the reactions on here after 2 losses is really quite ridiculous.

I'm not sure about Kagawa anyway. He looks good against some opposition but a bit wayward against others.As for the other 2 Januzaj will be here I'm sure, he's getting games ahead of senior players and he wouldn't be doing that at City
 
shaggy said:
Don't want to be the merchant of doom but it's possible we finish outside the top 4, and then lose Rooney, Kagawa and Januzaj in the summer....
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That is just not going to happen. First of all, we won't finish outside of top 4. And secondly, if we do, we would not be selling Wayne Rooney as we would need him to get back in those spots. Kagawa may be allowed to leave if we fail to find a position for him, and with the game time that Januzaj is getting, he will hopefully sign a new contract. The last two are a bit iffy, but one of the first two definitely won't happen.
 
Strange blaming Adnan for the goal. One of the midfielders should have covered the space left by Buttners forward run.

PS: I saw Rooney giving verbals to Adnan immediately after the goal, unfairly I thought, in such an advanced position.
 
Sultan said:
Strange blaming Adnan for the goal. One of the midfielders should have covered the space left by Buttners forward run.

PS: I saw Rooney giving verbals to Adnan immediately after the goal, unfairly I thought, in such an advanced position.
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Attacking players will sometimes give the ball away in advanced attacking positions. We have defenders and midfielders on the pitch for a reason. What Ferdinand did at the goal was absolutely utterly criminal.
 
pocco said:
Whats been lost in all this is that Moyes brought him on because he felt he'd do more damage than Kagawa. Perhaps this is a sign that he's starting to prefer him out wide ahead of Shinji.

I think he'll be a bit more cautious in his use of him for the next few games but he'll probably get a chance from the start in the League Cup.
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I thought that too, although it is too early to call. It is clear to me that the club has learned from mistakes with Pogba and perhaps want to get Adnan as much action as possible until that contract is signed.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Ludicrous to blame him for that goal. If we're not allowing players to take a risky pass from a few yards outside the box this elusive goal from open play won't ever happen. It was almost a brilliant through ball too. Buttner's getting stick for the goal as well but there was no way he could have got back to help out, as he was on an over-lapping forward run at the time.

Looking at the replays, Anderson's lack of effort getting back was annoying. Phil Jones didn't seem to be busting a gut either. Someone who was at the game will have to confirm whether either of them could have effected the outcome. Rank bad defending from Rio was by far the most important reason we conceded that goal though.
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I also thought Carrick was slow at getting back into the position. If he and Anderson had busted a gut to get back Amalfitano wouldn't get into position to go one-on-one with Rio.
 
marjen said:
I also thought Carrick was slow at getting back into the position. If he and Anderson had busted a gut to get back Amalfitano wouldn't get into position to go one-on-one with Rio.
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Carrick was back in position though. He was helping Rio out in the centre while Evans went left to cover the absent Buttner. What was missing was a covering tackle from someone, anyone, once yer man waltzed past Rio. With at least once CM back helping out, I'm probably being harsh on Anderson and Jones' positioning should be under more scrutiny. Not saying anyone could have got there in time - it was a very good goal - but you'd like to think there's no need for both fullbacks to get stuck upfield at the same time.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Carrick was back in position though. He was helping Rio out in the centre while Evans went left to cover the absent Buttner. What was missing was a covering tackle from someone, anyone, once yer man waltzed past Rio. With at least once CM back helping out, I'm probably being harsh on Anderson and Jones' positioning should be under more scrutiny. Not saying anyone could have got there in time - it was a very good goal - but you'd like to think there's no need for both fullbacks to get stuck upfield at the same time.
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The problem was after he beat the first man he had a free run through the centre of our pitch - that's the midfielders area of responsibility. If he had to beat two players to get in on goal from a central position that goal doesn't happen.
 
Need to watch a replay again but, from memory, Carrick had to drop into our back four and act as a second centre-half. So of course he couldn't get a tackle in in midfield.

Like I said, Anderson wasn't busting his balls to get back either - which didn't help. Either way, once Buttner and Januzaj were out of the picture we needed to re-shuffle. The most obvious absentee was our fullback from the opposite flank.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Need to watch a replay again but, from memory, Carrick had to drop into our back four and act as a second centre-half. So of course he couldn't get a tackle in in midfield.

Like I said, Anderson wasn't busting his balls to get back either - which didn't help. Either way, once Buttner and Januzaj were out of the picture we needed to re-shuffle. The most obvious absentee was our fullback from the opposite flank.
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Yeah, the general point being we need to strike some kind of balance when attacking. If both fullbacks go one of the CMs need to hold in case we lose the ball, obviously. In general I quite like both fullbacks high up the pitch, as long as someone covers for them.
 
Sultan said:
Strange blaming Adnan for the goal. One of the midfielders should have covered the space left by Buttners forward run.

PS: I saw Rooney giving verbals to Adnan immediately after the goal, unfairly I thought, in such an advanced position.
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Several people to be blamed for that goal. I think Adnan, Rio and Buttner all made a mistake. But the one that pissed me off most was Anderson.

If you saw MOTD, they showed that Anderson initially ran to try and cover the space that Rio had left only to stop running after a few strides. It sums up his contribution at United. Simply not fit enough.
 
Ole's_toe_poke said:
If you saw MOTD, they showed that Anderson initially ran to try and cover the space that Rio had left only to stop running after a few strides. It sums up his contribution at United. Simply not fit enough.
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I think it illustrates his lack of desire and fight on the pitch. He's shied away from alot of challenges in his time here, and when players pass him or he loses his man, he often jogs nonchalantly instead of earning his crust and getting stuck in. Maybe that comes down to fitness too, or maybe he's just not that bothered.
 
Watch the goal again and compare the amount of effort being put in to get back by Adnan (who sprints back) and Carrick (who calmly jogs back then slows down). Anderson is irrelevant as he is too far across the pitch to have any chance of preventing the goal, Jones likewise. They have 2 against 2 once the pass is made to the guy who scores (who is still 10 yards inside his own half), so you'd hope an experienced player like Carrick might sense the danger. If Carrick had made a serious effort to get himself in position then the moment the player gets past Rio then Carrick is still there to cover. The main error is still Rio's feeble attempt to challlenge. Adnan is actually the only player who makes a huge effort to try to rescue the situation.

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I was noting it at the time that Adnan made a good effort to get back after he turned over the ball. I dont think he did much wrong there, just unlucky. We should have been able to deal with that
 
Rozay said:
To be fair, 'it's possible that' hardly indicates the prediction of a 'precise conclusion'.
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Us finishing 4th leading to the very specific departures of Rooney, Kagawa and Januzaj, is a very precise conclusion in my book.
 
Rozay said:
I thought that too, although it is too early to call. It is clear to me that the club has learned from mistakes with Pogba and perhaps want to get Adnan as much action as possible until that contract is signed.
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Unfortunately that logic may also be clear to Januzaj and his advisors. If DM did propose a loan to Blackburn, and then changed him mind when Adnan dissented, it might explain a lack of confidence on the part of the player and his people in the managers commitment to him. Hence his reluctance to sign until he's fully established in the team.

Imo, a big danger is that the Adnan camp may insist on a release clause based on playing time. Moyes has shown a reluctance to do anything precedential - over the summer he was unwilling to break the club's record transfer fee. So he might refuse to accede to such a demand - in my opinion unwisely.

The best solution is Januzaj getting regular playing time. Let's hope DM gives him the opportunity and he plays well enough to take advantage of it.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Us finishing 4th leading to the very specific departures of Rooney, Kagawa and Januzaj, is a very precise conclusion in my book.
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Those three players were hardly randomly selected. They each have a question mark over them for various reasons.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Ludicrous to blame him for that goal. If we're not allowing players to take a risky pass from a few yards outside the box this elusive goal from open play won't ever happen. It was almost a brilliant through ball too. Buttner's getting stick for the goal as well but there was no way he could have got back to help out, as he was on an over-lapping forward run at the time.

Looking at the replays, Anderson's lack of effort getting back was annoying. Phil Jones didn't seem to be busting a gut either. Someone who was at the game will have to confirm whether either of them could have effected the outcome. Rank bad defending from Rio was by far the most important reason we conceded that goal though.
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I believe that his bad defending cost us more goals than one mistake from Januzaj.
 
Was a great goal and a very good performance along with Zaha. The only thing I think he could have improved on is playing in his fullback a little more often
 
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