Adnan Januzaj

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Nani has been good this season. Stoke has been his only bad game this season.

I want us to start with Januzaj and Nani vs Fulham.
 
The party poopers are a right set of wankers. We're football fans, not economic analysts.

We haven't had a player like this for such a long time, it's natural to be excited about him. When he doesn't play and we struggle to score goals, people will wonder why he didn't play. That shows what he's bringing to this team already. There is mass confidence from fans in him because of the consistently average-good performances rather than amazing performances from our attacking mids/wingers for the last calendar year.
 
The Dortmund fan on here called him a special talent a couple of weeks ago and every commentator has been seriously impressed with him every time he's played so I'm not sure that's the case. I was watching the game on a French stream last night and even when he lost the ball out by the right touchline towards the end with a little shimmy and jink back on the outside, the commentator's only reaction was to say "Adnan Januzaj, un incroyable talent". He's getting plenty of media coverage so I don't think it'll take long at all.
Concerning the French commentary, I guess your stream was from Bein Sport, and the commentator was absolute shit who was apparently watching Utd for the first time this season and reading cards about certain players. His commentary didn't feel personal or sincere at all.

Having said that, the channel that show Premier League games on a consistent basis, Canal +, and their commentators that really follow English footy absolutely rave about him, and are slowly falling in love with him. So your point stands, he's already regarded quite highly in the media, and I'm building his hype up on a French football forum! :D
 
I can't remember if I posted this last night, but he has that same trait Scholesy had of constantly lifting his head to see what's around him. He doesn't often get caught in possession. If he loses the ball it seems to be more from trying something rather than a lack of appreciation of what's around him.​
 
Assistant Steve Round on Januzaj's best position: "If you ask Warren Joyce, he'd say he felt his best position was no.9."


Not a surprise.

He played the no.9 position against Spurs U21 last season(which was probably the best U21 team last season) and was the clearly the best player. He plays at his best at the no.10 position IMO.
 
I don't think there's a defined "best position" for Januzaj. Maybe he's more suited to playing as a #10, but he can play at his best on the wings, behind the striker, or as a striker IMO.
 
The party poopers are a right set of wankers. We're football fans, not economic analysts.

We haven't had a player like this for such a long time, it's natural to be excited about him. When he doesn't play and we struggle to score goals, people will wonder why he didn't play. That shows what he's bringing to this team already. There is mass confidence from fans in him because of the consistently average-good performances rather than amazing performances from our attacking mids/wingers for the last calendar year.

Exactly. And it's the best feeling around, for Utd supporters. To watch a special talent grow into a world class player, adding to the traditions of the club. Ronaldo was the last one. Before that it was Scholes and Giggs. These kind of players don't come around often so enjoy them while we can, and get excited!

Edit: and of course Rooney.
 
maybe he could make an amazing false 9, has anyone ever thought of that?

No need for a false 9. You would need wingers to make vertical movements IMO. Barcelona are currently trying out a different system and many have talked about them needing a centre-forward.

Nani is Nani - you'll never get a run of consistent form from him.

That's why he was consistent from 2010-2012 (10/11 and 11/12), right? And that's why Fergie gave him a run of games earlier this year, where he offered the most consistent run of performances from any of our wingers, right? He's definitely not been poor this season and, thus far, he's done well. I don't understand your perception.
 
Probably will, and I'm a fan of quick players, but I'm not sure that he needs it. He has that uncanny ability to just glide past players without having to use much pace, unlike Ronaldo or Giggs who is/was about blasting past opponents.
It's not that he needs it. I'm just suggesting it will come naturally. He looks IMO like the type to potentially pile on some serious muscle ala Kaka before his Madrid days and I doubt it will affect his ability to float and trick his way past people. In fact I feel it will make him nigh impossible to knock off the ball.
 
No need for a false 9. You would need wingers to make vertical movements IMO. Barcelona are currently trying out a different system and many have talked about them needing a centre-forward.



That's why he was consistent from 2010-2012 (10/11 and 11/12), right? And that's why Fergie gave him a run of games earlier this year, where he offered the most consistent run of performances from any of our wingers, right? He's definitely not been poor this season and, thus far, he's done well. I don't understand your perception.

I think he's over-rated by a lot of United fans and I understand that. The shit that's been served up on our wings over the past couple of seasons has been awful. so when Nani does have a good game (and he does, I'm not saying he's shite) a lot of people get their panties in a twist at how good he is.

Nani's problem is that he has as many poor games as good ones.
 
Exactly. And it's the best feeling around, for Utd supporters. To watch a special talent grow into a world class player, adding to the traditions of the club. Ronaldo was the last one. Before that it was Scholes and Giggs. These kind of players don't come around often so enjoy them while we can, and get excited!

Edit: and of course Rooney.
This! I don't know about everyone else but as a United supporter I find it hard not to salivate at the prospect of a good young player coming through.
 
I think he's over-rated by a lot of United fans and I understand that. The shit that's been served up on our wings over the past couple of seasons has been awful. so when Nani does have a good game (and he does, I'm not saying he's shite) a lot of people get their panties in a twist at how good he is.

Nani's problem is that he has as many poor games as good ones.


I personally think that those who overrate him are in the minority. There's still an agenda against Nani. Go to Old Trafford and you will witness it for yourself, honestly it's quite ridiculous. The thing that makes Nani a very good player but not a world class player is his mentality. He's mentally weak, he doesn't possess the mentality of a world class player to make him propel further in his career. But all this consistency talk is 2009 talk. He's had two consistent seasons with us 10/11 and 11/12, and settled well when he came back from injury earlier this year. He's been good this year, consistently good. One poor game doesn't change that.

It's better if we revisit this at the end of 2013 and see how well he's done by then, but I think he's done enough to start as our first choice winger.
 
It's not that he needs it. I'm just suggesting it will come naturally. He looks IMO like the type to potentially pile on some serious muscle ala Kaka before his Madrid days and I doubt it will affect his ability to float and trick his way past people. In fact I feel it will make him nigh impossible to knock off the ball.


Could very well be. Kaka was lightning at one point and one helluva player at that also. Time will tell...
 
I personally think that those who overrate him are in the minority. There's still an agenda against Nani. Go to Old Trafford and you will witness it for yourself, honestly it's quite ridiculous. The thing that makes Nani a very good player but not a world class player is his mentality. He's mentally weak, he doesn't possess the mentality of a world class player to make him propel further in his career. But all this consistency talk is 2009 talk. He's had two consistent seasons with us 10/11 and 11/12, and settled well when he came back from injury earlier this year. He's been good this year, consistently good. One poor game doesn't change that.

It's better if we revisit this at the end of 2013 and see how well he's done by then, but I think he's done enough to start as our first choice winger.

Agreed on all counts. Right now I'd be rotating him, Januzaj and Kagawa in the 'wide' positions (and encouraging Rooney and Kagawa to interchange when the latter is playing.) But he does need to be told to rein in the silly shooting from the Stoke game, because he was putting together a run of good performances before that match, and only that poor decision-making prevented him from having another good game.
 
He seems to have been told to shoot a lot more this season. In his few reserves games and his first team games he's taking on a lot more shots from positions he would have looked for a pass in last season. Up until mow he would always look for the pass so it's obviously instructions from the management to make him more of a goal threat from deep which the first team has been missing for a long time and it's obviously working with his 2 goals against Sunderland and really good efforts against Southampton and a couple last night
 
Januzaj's form has completely justified United not going for Özil.

Feels so much more sweeter too. As nice as Ozil would have been, nothing beat's a player coming through the youth teams and breaking into the firsts.
 
This is the reason why I never wanted us to sign Sneijder, because of the likes of Pogba and Morrison. That didn't work out to plan, but at least now we see the effects of Januzaj breaking through.
 
The one tactical problem I saw in him when he played as number 10 yesterday is that he went into the box too soon. He received the ball infront of the defense, did his bit of playmaking by making a threatening pass and ran straight into the box, if he delayed his entrance into the box and came in late ala Scholes, maybe then he could surprise the defense and score more goals. Just a thought.
 
The one tactical problem I saw in him when he played as number 10 yesterday is that he went into the box too soon. He received the ball infront of the defense, did his bit of playmaking by making a threatening pass and ran straight into the box, if he delayed his entrance into the box and came in late ala Scholes, maybe then he could surprise the defense and score more goals. Just a thought.

That's all well and good if the ball is cut back, but we generally swing in crosses high and to the back post.

He did delay his run against Sunderland if you remember, and we all know what happened there ;)
 
The one tactical problem I saw in him when he played as number 10 yesterday is that he went into the box too soon. He received the ball infront of the defense, did his bit of playmaking by making a threatening pass and ran straight into the box, if he delayed his entrance into the box and came in late ala Scholes, maybe then he could surprise the defense and score more goals. Just a thought.

He's 18 so he's not exactly going to be as disciplined as Scholes was at 25.
 
And thats exactly why I am suggesting he should delay his entrance into the box, its less predictable for the defenders and given his natural finishing skills, should allow him to get more goals.

Yeah but it doesn't change overnight, he's still a kid and probably a bit hot-headed like all attacking players that age.
 
The one tactical problem I saw in him when he played as number 10 yesterday is that he went into the box too soon. He received the ball infront of the defense, did his bit of playmaking by making a threatening pass and ran straight into the box, if he delayed his entrance into the box and came in late ala Scholes, maybe then he could surprise the defense and score more goals. Just a thought.

Scholes played in a 2 man midfield most of his career. Scholesy played a slightly more defensive role and had responsibility towards defending. Adnan was playing as a second striker or in hipster terms an attacking midfielder, or to us oldies as an inside forward. Their role would be a conduit between central midfielders and support the centre forward, making space in oppositions defence, and, generally support him with passes.
 
Scholes played in a 2 man midfield most of his career. Scholesy played a slightly more defensive role and had responsibility towards defending. Adnan was playing as a second striker or in hipster terms an attacking midfielder, or to us oldies as an inside forward. Their role would be a conduit between central midfielders and support the centre forward, making space in oppositions defence, and, generally support him with passes.
I thought that was the old name for wingers who play in close to the striker, rather than fully out wide?
 
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