Adnan Januzaj | 2013/14 Performances

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Mockney said:
It very obviously is. They're both examples of fans disrespecting a tragedy. If you think England fans are all wankers because some of them booed Munich, you must think United fans are all wankers because some of them disrespect Hillsborough. It's the same thing.
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Look at the point 3 I've made.

Mockney said:
Yes I can see the difference. The difference is that you support one and not the other. So what you're saying is; If United fans do it, it's Ok. If England fans do it, it's not. As someone who supports both, I don't agree.
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If our fans are behaving like wankers - like they did with Nani - then it's club's and our problem. I don't want another set of pseudo-fans to add more pressure on United players, that's why I wouldn't want Januzaj to play for either England or Poland, what's so hard to understand here? If you support both then I do understand that your stance is that you want Januzaj to pick England, fair enough, but I don't support both so don't act like you're surprised that somebody dares to criticise English fans and doesn't want Januzaj to play for England.

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And I've been to countless England games, including games in Poland, and I can vouch that your opinions of England fans are outdated, and it's annoying hearing them regurgitated.
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It doesn't change the fact that those accidents have happened, booing your own players happened more than once and I simply don't want another player of ours to experience it, especially if he can pick some other country he can play for ( one is connected to his ethnicity, in the other one he was born ).
 
Kostur said:
If our fans are behaving like wankers - like they did with Nani - then it's club's and our problem. I don't want another set of pseudo-fans to add more pressure on United players, that's why I wouldn't want Januzaj to play for either England or Poland, what's so hard to understand here?
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I have no objections to you not wanting him to play for England. It's the cliched, bandwagon bullshit of WHY that's annoying. You seem to know little of England fans (or even, any international fans) bar the 15 year old anti-United incidents, and you're determined to paint the entire fanbase like this. I'm merely redressing your boring "this is why I hate England" accusations.

If you support both then I do understand that your stance is that you want Januzaj to pick England, fair enough
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I don't particularly. That's not what I'm bringing you up on.

don't act like you're surprised that somebody dares to criticise English fans....It doesn't change the fact that those accidents have happened, booing your own players happened more than once and I simply don't want another player of ours to experience it, especially if he can pick some other country he can play for ( one is connected to his ethnicity, in the other one he was born ).
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Well then he should probably avoid International football all together, because virtually every national team has booed players at some point (even Spain, France, Brazil, Argentina, all of them relatively recently too) and every single one puts unneeded pressure on them via the media. The reason you see so much of it with England is because Man United is an English team, and thus our players experiences of it are far more visible and relevant to our club and our fans. Which is probably why despite the last time it happening being more than 15 years ago, you're still prattling on about it like it's relevant.


This has become distracting and off topic now. Personally I think he should play for Belgium, but I think he'll wait for Kosovo.
 
Mockney said:
I have no objections to you not wanting him to play for England. It's the cliched, bandwagon bullshit of WHY that's annoying. You seem to know little of England fans (or even, any international fans) bar the 15 year old anti-United incidents, and you're determined to paint the entire fanbase like this. I'm merely redressing your boring "this is why I hate England" accusations.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...es-silence-broken-shameful-football-fans.html

15 years ago? Really ?

English national team was booed in RSA as well.


Mockney said:
Well then he should probably avoid International football all together, because virtually every national team has booed players at some point (even Spain, France, Brazil, Argentina, all of them relatively recently too) and every single one puts unneeded pressure on them via the media. The reason you see so much of it with England is because Man United is an English team, and thus our players experiences of it are far more visible and relevant to our club and our fans. Which is probably why despite the last time it happening being more than 15 years ago and yet you're still prattling on about it like it's relevant.
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Yup, he's playing in England, he'll be getting double shit from the English fans/media because he's done something stupid/failed for England so the pressure will be double. He won't be reading about Belgian failure as much as he'll be reading English failure in the press.
 
Kostur said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...es-silence-broken-shameful-football-fans.html

15 years ago? Really ?
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THAT game. I thought you meant a much earlier one. I was at THAT game! It was Brazil fans you numpty. And then England fans booing THEM. And then a long kerfulffe of shhhing and annoyance and then everyone started clapping to drown it out. I was actually there, I can tell you with my hand on heart that was what was going on (though I remember thinking "yep, they'll blame that on England fans") as it was also for Bobby Moore and the Brazil Disco Fire, not just Munich. But sure, of course, with your fantastic insight into all things England and your second hand reporting from the Daily Mail, I bow to your obvious all knowing knowledge.

What was that about ignorance and ill informed again?

As for RSA, yes, I was also at that game. They were booed after a horrendous performance against Algeria. From people who'd travelled thousands of miles. And they deserved it. United were booed at home THIS SEASON!
 
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Mockney said:
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THAT game. I thought you meant a much earlier one. I was at THAT game! It was Brazil fans you numpty. And then England fans booing THEM. I was actually there, I can tell you with my hand on heart that was what was going on. But sure, of course, with your fantastic insight into all things England and your second hand reporting from the Daily Mail, I bow to your obvious all knowing knowledge.

What was that about ignorance and ill informed again?

As for RSA, yes, I was also at that game. They were booed after a horrendous performance against Algeria. From people who'd travelled thousands of miles. And they deserved it. United were booed at home THIS SEASON!
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I'm well aware of that previous game mate, I just brought up it up as a more recent accident.

Looking at rest of that post though, you seem to be a little upset right now and I can't get around why exactly. Firstly I say that I consider British media shite and I get criticised for doing so, because 'they are no worse than other medias' and all that, now I get criticised for bringing up an article from a English medium, this is starting to look really bizzare. I don't pull things out of my arse about nazi salutes, I'm bringing you your own English source.
 
The English tabloid media are shite, but no worse than many others, just more visible. And if you think they are, why would your source from the English tabloid media be any good? I can't tell you why people reported what they did, but I can tell you from first hand knowledge what happened. It was also a minutes silence for Bobby Moore. Why would England fans boo a silence for Bobby Moore?

The story of "England fans boo" though is a much better one, so perhaps thats why they ran it. Perhaps a little like "Polish fan's racism"?

I'm not upset, but I am bit annoyed that you seem insistent on telling me - someone who goes to England games, is an England fan and knows plenty of England fans intimately - what England fans are like, based on a documentary and some matches you've watched from abroad. It is pretty annoying, yes. Especially since you got incredibly touchy when someone brought up Polish fans for being uninformed.

I'd invite you to come and see what an England match is like these days, because I think you've got a rather skewed opinion of it.
 
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Mockney said:
The English tabloid media are shite, but no worse than many others, just more visible. And if you think they are, why would your source from the English tabloid media be any good? I can't tell you why people reported what they did, but I can tell you from first hand knowledge what happened. It was also a minutes silence for Bobby Moore. Why would England fans boo a silence for Bobby Moore?

The story of "England fans boo" though is a much better one, so perhaps thats why they ran it. Perhaps a little like "Polish fan's racism"?

I'm not upset, but I am bit annoyed that you seem insistent on telling me - someone who goes to England games, is an England fan and knows plenty of England fans intimately - what England fans are like, based on a documentary and some matches you've watched from abroad. It is pretty annoying, yes. Especially since you got incredibly touchy when someone brought up Polish fans for being uninformed.

I'd invite you to come and see what an England match is like these days, because I think you've got a rather skewed opinion of it.
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My experiences of attending in the mid to late 90's were very different to what you describe, but more outside the ground than in...though I had some moments there as well. I must say the modern England experience sounds very different to what I remembered.

Which is a good thing.
 
As you know though, things were bad across the country. England fans aren't a separate group, they're everyone's fans. This is what's always sort of annoyed me about the "ing-er-land" lot. The attempt to be above the larger group whilst ignoring it's truisms. It's a macrocosm. All National Teams are. England do have more dickheads than most clubs. Of course they do, because they have everyone's dickheads! They also have everyone else, by and large. It's fandom. Good and bad.

Hooliganism in general was a bugbear of English football in the 70s & 80, and in the 90s was when it got really bad for England, culminating in the Lansdowne Road debacle and the riots in France 98. Since then we've clamped down hard on hooligans and trouble makers (who tended - surprise surprise - to be the most vociferous chanters too) and we're probably the most successful nation at removing racism, hooliganism and the bulk of general cuntery from football. This never really gets any credit though, as we're tarred by our 20th century reputation. It annoys me seeing people on twitter vocally denouncing their England Teamness because of the percieved xenopobia and racism of the little English fans (which undoubtedly does exist, because it does still in the country) and then in a trendy act of protest, cheering on Spain or Italy. Those great bastions of racial harmony & terrace peace.
 
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Jimy_Hills_Chin said:
The press are ridiculous in England but again it is a myth that that is something exclusive to England. France and Brazil's international players are pressurised and harassed by the press also, to name but two.
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I don't know for the Brazilian press but the french one doesn't seem to be as extreme as the english one, after all it doesn't give pics of players as target for darts and doesn't try to look for a scapegoat every time (I am still baffled that Ronaldo was found guilty of sending off Rooney when Rooney was the one to blame and should have been red-carded even without Ronaldo close) and, it went easy for Zidane's last match by example (though it was also baffling to see the french press seemed to say violence is ok if it is a reply to insults). Though lately, it can be quite hateful of every player in the french team, even if some are accused more than others. Even if I don't really understand why it was so angry about the strike, it's so much a french thing to do.

But the fact is the french newspapers don't have that many space for football (and there's no big french tabloid newspapers), the french people magazines don't really treat footballers as celebrities to follow except really few ones.
 
Barely got a look in in the last two matches, should have been the third sub today - we weren't even creating chances and we brought an out and out finisher on, should have been januzaj on.

Now I know there's a case to be made for him being overplayed out of necessity and that could be the reason for him not playing the last two games, but he better not be getting frozen out not in favour of young/Valencia because we've signed mata.

All four of mata Rooney januzaj and van persie should be starting in the next match, especially with it being home to Fulham, there is absolutely no need at all for a young/Valencia type option.
 
Sally Cinnamon said:
Barely got a look in in the last two matches, should have been the third sub today - we weren't even creating chances and we brought an out and out finisher on, should have been januzaj on.

Now I know there's a case to be made for him being overplayed out of necessity and that could be the reason for him not playing the last two games, but he better not be getting frozen out not in favour of young/Valencia because we've signed mata.

All four of mata Rooney januzaj and van persie should be starting in the next match, especially with it being home to Fulham, there is absolutely no need at all for a young/Valencia type option.
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I don't think I particularly would want him playing against those cnuts.

You know Charlie Adam would see himself as some sort of hero for breaking his leg.
 
Think Moyes felt after the Sunderland game too much pressure was being put on his shoulders.

He has rightly given him a little rest, but I hope he starts against Fulham. He had a good game against them at Craven Cottage.
 
Januzaj is exactly 10 years younger to the day than Ronaldo.

Tevez has the same birthday too. If I was born one day later, it would be my birthday too. Damn my Mother for pushing me out of her flange 8 hours early.
 
Happy Balon D'or birthday this date should be.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Januzaj is exactly 10 years younger to the day than Ronaldo.

Tevez has the same birthday too. If I was born one day later, it would be my birthday too. Damn my Mother for pushing me out of her flange 8 hours early.
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Isn't Ronaldo's birthday tomorrow?
 
Hopefully he starts today. He's had a little rest now so he's been used in the right way, we have to remember he's 19 and he's still growing. His performances have meant too much pressure is being heaped on him but he's handled it way.

Given Fulham's terrible defence, he should have a field day and hopefully terroise their back-line.
 
MoneyMay said:
Januzaj - Player of the Month (January):

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He is unbelievable. I think his assist for Hernandez against Sunderland was left out too, unless I somehow missed it. Great video.

All I want today is to see him starting.
 
Sally Cinnamon said:
He is unbelievable. I think his assist for Hernandez against Sunderland was left out too, unless I somehow missed it. Great video.

All I want today is to see him starting.
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I missed out the second leg of the Sunderland game, as it would have meant the video being released a few days later, but thanks. :)
 
Nice video again. I like Januzaj's shooting, came close to a couple of beauties there.
 
It's really odd how he's stopped starting games despite being one of our two best performers this season. Didn't seem to be showing any signs of burnout either.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
It's really odd how he's stopped starting games despite being one of our two best performers this season. Didn't seem to be showing any signs of burnout either.
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I think Moyes is just handling his expectation levels. Against Sunderland at home in the cup, we were basically relying on him to do everything. The crowd also started to get a little over zealous and whenever he got close to the box they screamed SHOOOOOOOOOT. I think he did the right thing resting him a few times, but he should certainly be playing more now.
 
Adam-Utd said:
I think Moyes is just handling his expectation levels. Against Sunderland at home in the cup, we were basically relying on him to do everything. The crowd also started to get a little over zealous and whenever he got close to the box they screamed SHOOOOOOOOOT. I think he did the right thing resting him a few times, but he should certainly be playing more now.
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The way I see it we're in a desperate situation and can use all the help we need. When everyone barring two players have struggled this season you shouldn't leave them out of the lineup for 3 or 4 games. Even moreso when one of those players (rooney) is struggling with form on returning.

Bestie07 said:
Of all my complaints about Moyes, his handling of Januzaj is not one of them. He should have started him against Fulham though.
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I dont have complaints. But what has been, four games since he started? Or three? It seems rather unecessary IMO in a time when we are desperate for players who can shine despite our massive problems.
 
He will surely start against Palace. They will sit back and we need his ingenuity.
 
This has been happening for a while. We never really start with what obviously seems the best team on paper. A year ago it was: Rooney, RvP, Kagawa, and Nani. I don't think they played together more than once.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
Makes perfect sense to give such a young player a bit of a mid-season break. Fergie used to let Ronaldo head off home to Portugal for some R&R.

It really is tiresome that every single topic of discussion ends up as a reason to criticise the manager :boring:
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We weren't sitting in 7th or 8th place with barely two players in form.

Anyway, it's not worth a long discussion since it isn't a big issue. I would have had him start at least a game in this short period. Particularly against Fulham given they were always going to be camped in their box.
 
I've got no qualms over Moyes' handling of Januzaj, you have to be cautious in handling players his age and with him only recently being introduced into the first team squad, especially with the exposure at United. Last thing we want to do is pin our hopes on him when we have so much talent in the final third as it is.

However, I think it's time for him to be re-introduced into the first eleven again, starting away at Palace. Hopefully we will start a fluid front four with no signs of Valencia and Young, which might be an indication of the direction w're heading in for next season.

Not that I expect that however, Moyes seems to favour the security of a defensive/orthodox winger, so Januzaj's starting berth would probably come at the expense of one of our technical or more expressive, dynamic players. Certainly should be looking at an extended run in the side however, I'd really like to see him in tandem with Mata and Kagawa.
 
I wonder if this is what he has been waiting for.
 
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