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Adam Johnson found guilty of one count of sexual activity with a child | Sentenced to six years
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Nice side step.
Most people wont read it sadly.
What amazes me is how people, like yourself, read sections of a post without interpreting it as an whole.
I'm not defending him. I dislike the cnut and wouldn't think twice about dissociating his head from his body if she were my daughter. However, anybody with an ounce of reasonable thought can see he's clearly been made an example. I used to be a Prison Officer and the real dirty nonces parading those halls rarely got a sentence that severe.
Don't try to patronise me fella, I'd imagine I've got more life experience than you and your dad put together.
Glad he is sentenced, but 6 years seems a bit much to me.
According to the judges statement the range of sentences for this kind of offence range from 4-10 years.
I agree, and I should have stuck a line in there about that.
Not strictly on topic, but this isn't really the case, is it? I think most people would regard it with a fair dose of...something if the same person had been caught cheating on his wife (or pregnant wife, as the case may have been) with a 16 year old schoolgirl.
And I don't mean the cheating part, which many would frown upon regardless – but her age. It isn't socially acceptable (in most circles) for a man of nearly thirty to be in a sexual relationship with a 16 year old.
I agree with this. The grooming is what made the sentence higher. However the sentence of six years is still higher than many for manslaughter and those victims people die. I'm not saying the perpetrators sentences are right here, but that is what happens. I actually find a person who drinks 10 pints gets behind a wheel and kills a mother and child on a crossing more serious than a 15 year old who gets fingered in a car when allegedly she didn't want to go ahead and prosecute anyway. I'm also not saying what he did was right, of course not - but if he was an ordinary person working in Tesco with the same charge, he would probably get a year to 18 months.
Having said that, perhaps the Judge felt that the fraternity of professional football has got so out of hand in terms of them feeling above everything...that enough was enough and this guy needed to be targeted to make sure a serious message was given. In that case I can't argue.
I hope I didn't make it sound like I approve of far older men around shagging Teenagers
I really don't, I was trying but badly putting my point across of the fine line of the law etc...
If Johnson had shagged a 16 year old he is still a cnut, but a free one
https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/r-v-johnson-sentencing.pdf
The judge is driven by the law and it's quite clear his sentence clearly and correctly reflects that.
i've just come home from work and can't be bothered to siv through x no. of posts on this as i've found nothing skimming over it lightly.
anyone come up with a legal reason why he's been sentenced to 6 years when on two counts a female TEACHER (surely that is grooming of all counts) has sex with a minor on multiple occasions gets off with a sex offenders list and no jail term...i hate the fecker but the amount of times women get off for the same thing guys do is becoming a joke.
surely someone has to play the OJ card and say "is it because i'm a ....fill the blank..."man, black, lesbian, gay, woman etc".
you can not have female teachers getting off with what they did and he gets 6 years.
ps. hate the guy but come on!
anyone come up with a legal reason why he's been sentenced to 6 years when on two counts a female TEACHER (surely that is grooming of all counts) has sex with a minor on multiple occasions gets off with a sex offenders list and no jail term...i hate the fecker but the amount of times women get off for the same thing guys do is becoming a joke.
surely someone has to play the OJ card and say "is it because i'm a ....fill the blank..."man, black, lesbian, gay, woman etc".
you can not have female teachers getting off with what they did and he gets 6 years.
ps. hate the guy but come on!
This is irrelevant really. It isn't socially acceptable for men to shag with men but yet some still do it.
Having read the Judge's comments, the sentencing guidelines, as well as the part of the law to which they refer, you can definitely make a very strong argument for him getting six years. It is maximum sentence outlined, albeit with a 10% deduction.*
The level of intent is what really works against him. He has no course to plead ignorance -- you can't even pretend to doubt his ignorance (which must have made the defence's job fairly difficult).
*Actually, the maximum would have been ten years, so he did get some leniency.
The level of intent is what really works against him. He has no course to plead ignorance -- you can't even pretend to doubt his ignorance (which must have made the defence's job fairly difficult).
*Actually, the maximum would have been ten years, so he did get some leniency.
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Yeah its hard to understand why some crimes have one level and another crime has a higher level. It baffles me at times.
No, I didn't take it as such - just sayin', as they say, that it would probably be generally, morally, condemned in most societies even if it were technically legal. Which is a point of possible interest when discussing legal age and where the line should be drawn.
Yeah, imagine that. What a world, eh?
ETA I don't know to what extent you were being sarcastic, but social mores and views are obviously relevant to the laws of the land. If there's a huge discrepancy between the legality of an act and how said act is regarded - morally, socially - in a society, that's a problem.
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If it was just a case of him meeting this girl in a club, shagging her and then continuing to see her while unaware of her age then I'd have sympathy for him.
A lot of young girls (14,15,26) look much older when they are dressed up and in full make up. But this piece of shit knew her fecking age and groomed her.
He's a fecking Paedophile and deserves everything that's coming his way.
A lot of young girls (14,15,26) look much older when they are dressed up and in full make up. But this piece of shit knew her fecking age and groomed her.
He's a fecking Paedophile and deserves everything that's coming his way.
Crazy world, indeed.
he isnt a paedophile. Im not trying to diminish what he is done but its important people understand and know the definition of a paedophile
Pedophilia or paedophilia is a psychiatric disorder in which an adult or older adolescent experiences a primary or exclusive sexual attraction to prepubescent children,
That report also states that he had sexual urges towards her when she was 14.
The judicial system is far to lenient in this country, so it's refreshing to see a decent sentence delivered.
The judicial system is far to lenient in this country, so it's refreshing to see a decent sentence delivered.
It isn't?
Or 0 ...........
but hey a 11 year old boy knows more than a 15 year old girl
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/babysitter-who-sex-11-year-6586886
Its just so inconsistent.
Sex offender, not a pedophile. That's one of the few things that seems to have worked in his favour (his lawyers using it in their defence).
Yeah they can easily look 16, 18 and 32.
He is a paedophile mate. feck the definition. He undertook sexual activities with a child!
You can't really have consistency. You need to take each individual case on it's own merit. That's the point of a trial really.
That's what Adam said.
Its important that there is a difference thats understood. If you go through this thread you will find people expressing concerns about what the age of consent should or shouldnt be. The girl was a child and also near the age of consent. If people use the term paedophile as a blanket term for sex crimes against minors then it could because of the age of consent arguments begin to dilute just what a heinous crime paedophilia is.
He's not, as such, being jailed for the sexual activity is he? (which is 'minor', less than a lot of others).
It's the knowing that she is (legally) a child & then carrying on grooming that child.
I would also speculate the Judge just doesn't like him or whatever else you might call it (more sensibly)
But the sentence does still seem a little bit severe in the overall scheme of things compared to other stuff we equally cluelessly assess in comparison.
Be out in 3 though, innit.
It's the knowing that she is (legally) a child & then carrying on grooming that child.
I would also speculate the Judge just doesn't like him or whatever else you might call it (more sensibly)
But the sentence does still seem a little bit severe in the overall scheme of things compared to other stuff we equally cluelessly assess in comparison.
Be out in 3 though, innit.
Look at this mate. an 11 year old boy. its not even comparable he is a child an actual kid
Should probably add that to the OP. It's fairly comprehensive.
Done. Not that many will read them.
But we now know that she had only just turned 15 when he started grooming her. I have a 14 year old niece and the thought of a 27-28 year old man doing that to her is unthinkable.
He may not be a paedophile by legal definition but he will always be one in my eyes.
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He was wearing it when he took the photo.
Ah, you're that weird, little feminist fella aren't you, now I remember.
I stand by every word I said you bloody lunatic... but, you know, actually said...and not your pathetic agenda-driven version of what I said.
For clarity (repeating what I've actually said).
* 15 is an age in which the person is well aware of their actions and the consequence of them.
* She clearly was made up with what happened at the time.
* He took advantage of her because he's a scroaty little cnut.
* Six years is fecking harsh.
* Feminism is hilarious. Not the actual definition, but the militant interpretation of it from the likes of you.
TBF I'd probably call myself a feminist, it's not really that weird a thing.
Accept all that to a degree but when you are 15, you can make decisions, you know what you want (I had sex for the first time at that age and it was great) but don't have the experience or apparatus to think things through the same way as when you're actually an adult. Case in point - she thinks footballer's hot, wants to hook-up. Doesn't expect to be freaked out by it, doesn't expect the fallout, emotional issues, online slut-shaming, abuse from fans etc. If she was older, she might have thought it through more. a 15 year old brain isn't the same as an adult one, I still liked blink 182 when i was 15 ffs.
Besides, can't really generalise when it comes to speed of growing up, I started going out drinking etc at 13 but knew kids who did nothing but play with figures and stay with their parents when they were past 16.
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