Adam Johnson found guilty of one count of sexual activity with a child | Sentenced to six years

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Judge has apparently said he won't be tried for this so presumably the sentence was based purely on his actions with the girl?
I imagine his actions during the trial and showing no remorse wouldn't have helped either.

He said this in the second week: "I hope this is finished by Friday. It’s a bit boring now."

During sentencing he was chewing gum and smirking and winking to a friend in the gallery.

Victim impact statement:

In a victim impact statement read to court, Johnson’s victim said she had “entered many dark places” since she reported the assaults to the police after confiding in her parents.

Even since Johnson was found guilty earlier this month, she said, she had still been bullied at school, causing her to miss classes and her schoolwork to suffer “massively”.

“The whole experience has been very overwhelming and throughout the process I’ve had many hard times, I’ve always felt at risk of being recognised when I go places and on some occasions this has happened,” she said.

“I have felt very intimidated by it all and I’ve felt very lonely at times when I’ve felt everyone is against me due to Adam Johnson protesting his innocence and continuing to put himself in the public eye and ultimately it was like I was being taunted as if to say he could do what he wants and get away with it.”

In a separate victim impact statement, the girl’s mother said her family had endured “heartache, criticism and slanderous remarks” and that she felt powerless to protect her daughter who, she said, had been subjected to “thousands of malicious remarks and some disturbing threats of violence made towards her”.

Faye Johnson (his sister) runs a facebook page with 5,000 likes and has comments such as these on it (all from women):

I don't believe for one minute this girl is a victim. Met up with him more than once. Planned from the beginning.... All about his money! Hope he wins his appeal. Xx

She was well up for it, you don't go meeting a bloke in a car if you don't want it. She probably thought he would dump his girlfriend for her.

Well said ! 100 % agree know what your doing at 15 just because embarrassed then play the child card. Whatever no child there

Well she tried it with Conner whickem first. She know innocent. She be on celeb big brother in the future..

Hes not a paedophile. Shes a dirty little girl who's family are on a massive witch hunt. Theres too many people walking around who are actual paedophiles.. Who have actually harmed children who had no choice or decision... Because hes famous hes just a case study. Made an example of..well its wrong. Someone I know said she was in the toilets of a pub and got caught having sex the just 2 weeks ago!!!! ....this poor bloke made one silly mistake. This country is so messed up its unreal...

U r an absolute unreal young lady for wot u been through n then there's that little slut with all her lies and blackmail which pisses right off x x

I just honestly think the daft little cow is just to blame as what Adam is she's far from a victim he didn't rape or abuse her. My sister having sex under the age of 16 and she new what I was doing just looks bad because he's older and in the lime light. I don't think it as bad as what people are making out. Adam will be looking at 10 years in prison pedophiles don't even get half of that time for raping babies. Think ppl are quick enuff to judge it's only bad on he's side because he new her age but she wasn't exactly 12 or 13 she was probs only couple of months off the legal age anyway stupid little bitch wanting attention why else would she do all this two sides to every story
 
People need to understand how sentences are arrived at. They're not just pulled out of the air by judges.

In short, an offence has a "tariff" i.e. a range as a starting point. The judge determines where the offence falls within the tariff, then can add or subtract time for aggravating or mitigating factors. In Johnson's case it would appear there were few or no mitigating factors and a number of aggravating factors, hence the (by some) perceived harshness of the sentence.

Exactly. Johnson did himself no favours with the judge saying -

"The offences were category 1A, the most serious."
"You lied, you had every opportunity to enter guilty pleas but chose not to. The consequences of that, your victim was called a liar, by peers, by football fans."
"You have no remorse because you still deny the most serious offence."
Making it clear Johnson knew full well how old she was, he told him: "That was known to you - to put it another way she had only just turned 15 when you began grooming her, because as you were to admit you found her sexually attractive."

Sensible sentence.
 
laws are made by men... the same men that legalize slavery.

I hope this case serves to future changes on the law because 6 years for fingering (consented) a 15 years old is ridiculous.

Anyway, quite stupid from Johnson. If he really was that desperate for having sex with a 15yo, he should have done what rich girls do when they want to have a abortion but its illegal in their countries... just fly to a countries where is legal to do it.
 
People actually have a problem with the sentence? Christ.
 
laws are made by men... the same men that legalize slavery.

I hope this case serves to future changes on the law because 6 years for fingering (consented) a 15 years old is ridiculous.

Anyway, quite stupid from Johnson. If he really was that desperate for having sex with a 15yo, he should have done what rich girls do when they want to have a abortion but its illegal in their countries... just fly to a countries where is legal to do it.

And you're wrong. You can't legally give consent under the age of 16.
 
I imagine his actions during the trial and showing no remorse wouldn't have helped either.

He said this in the second week: "I hope this is finished by Friday. It’s a bit boring now."

During sentencing he was chewing gum and smirking and winking to a friend in the gallery.

Victim impact statement:



Faye Johnson (his sister) runs a facebook page with 5,000 likes and has comments such as these on it (all from women):

I don't believe for one minute this girl is a victim. Met up with him more than once. Planned from the beginning.... All about his money! Hope he wins his appeal. Xx

She was well up for it, you don't go meeting a bloke in a car if you don't want it. She probably thought he would dump his girlfriend for her.

Well said ! 100 % agree know what your doing at 15 just because embarrassed then play the child card. Whatever no child there

Well she tried it with Conner whickem first. She know innocent. She be on celeb big brother in the future..

Hes not a paedophile. Shes a dirty little girl who's family are on a massive witch hunt. Theres too many people walking around who are actual paedophiles.. Who have actually harmed children who had no choice or decision... Because hes famous hes just a case study. Made an example of..well its wrong. Someone I know said she was in the toilets of a pub and got caught having sex the just 2 weeks ago!!!! ....this poor bloke made one silly mistake. This country is so messed up its unreal...

U r an absolute unreal young lady for wot u been through n then there's that little slut with all her lies and blackmail which pisses right off x x

I just honestly think the daft little cow is just to blame as what Adam is she's far from a victim he didn't rape or abuse her. My sister having sex under the age of 16 and she new what I was doing just looks bad because he's older and in the lime light. I don't think it as bad as what people are making out. Adam will be looking at 10 years in prison pedophiles don't even get half of that time for raping babies. Think ppl are quick enuff to judge it's only bad on he's side because he new her age but she wasn't exactly 12 or 13 she was probs only couple of months off the legal age anyway stupid little bitch wanting attention why else would she do all this two sides to every story
The real victim of abuse here is grammar.
 
And you're wrong. You can't legally give consent under the age of 16.

Why then, a 13yo boy delinquent can be sent to juvy (and get assraped in the process) if he doesn't know what the feck he is doing?

nah man... as i said, laws are made by men and can be quite stupid sometimes.

a 15 year old girl knows exactly what she is doing getting in a car with an older dude.
 
People actually have a problem with the sentence? Christ.
I have a problem with the complete lack of consistency in sentencing. It seems that if you're a man or famous the sentence is automatically more severe.
 
Why then, a 13yo boy delinquent can be sent to juvy (and get assraped in the process) if he doesn't know what the feck he is doing?

nah man... as i said, laws are made by men and can be quite stupid sometimes.

a 15 year old girl knows exactly what she is doing getting in a car with an older dude.
What on earth are you talking about?

If "men" are not to make laws, who's to make them?
 
I have a problem with the complete lack of consistency in sentencing. It seems that if you're a man or famous the sentence is automatically more severe.
No, if you're famous it's reported in the media so everyone knows about it - that's all.
 
This guy has got some serious issues or something. What the hell is he doing with animal porn?! Disgusting bastard.

Can you imagine his daughter hearing about this when she's older?:(
 
I have a problem with the complete lack of consistency in sentencing. It seems that if you're a man or famous the sentence is automatically more severe.
It's perfectly reasonable that if you're famous, you share some responsibility for the victim being dragged into the media spotlight. It's a severe problem in a case like this and makes a massive difference for the girl.
 
Groomed someone he knew was under-age, lied when questioned, showed no remorse, showed no consideration for impact this had on the victim....

Not a legal expert (unlike a large part of the caf, apparently) but it's hardly surprising if the sentence he got was at the higher end of what was available. You can hardly expect the courts to let him off with a slap on the wrist with all those factors counting against him.

After all, it's not like these sentences are plucked from the sky. There's surely a model by which sentences are decided and Johnson basically ticked the wrong boxes this time? Complaining about inconsistency is a bit pointless given inconsistent punishments are unavoidable.

Don't see why Johnson would deserve even the slightest bit of sympathy.
 
I have a problem with the complete lack of consistency in sentencing. It seems that if you're a man or famous the sentence is automatically more severe.

Then the problem isn't with a sex offender being sentenced for being a sex offender.
 
Harsh sentence. I've always liked older women and can say with absolute certainty that had I managed to have sex with a woman his age when I was 15, I'd have been delighted and well aware of my consent. Impressionable you may be at that age, but still most definitely aware of the consequences of your actions. The last thing I'd have wanted was for her to then be locked up for six years.

Then again he's obviously a dirty little little scroat, so I'm not that arsed.
 
I'm just saying not because something is law, its always right. A lot of times its the opposite. Like slavery for example. Laws needs to be under scrutiny from time to time.

So what would your alternative law be?
 
Harsh sentence. I've always liked older women and can say with absolute certainty that had I managed to have sex with a woman his age when I was 15, I'd have been delighted and well aware of my consent. Impressionable you may be at that age, but still most definitely aware of the consequences of your actions. The last thing I'd have wanted was for her to then be locked up for six years.

Then again he's obviously a dirty little little scroat, so I'm not that arsed.

This sort of thinking is precisely why women get away with similar offences.
 
Harsh sentence. I've always liked older women and can say with absolute certainty that had I managed to have sex with a woman his age when I was 15, I'd have been delighted and well aware of my consent. Impressionable you may be at that age, but still most definitely aware of the consequences of your actions. The last thing I'd have wanted was for her to then be locked up for six years.
None of this is relevant, as your memory of fifteen year old you is not the victim.
 
Don't see why Johnson would deserve even the slightest bit of sympathy.
It's not sympathy, it's reason. No one debating the case gives a feck about Johnson, but quite a few are concerned about a plethora of double standards and inconsistencies which litter the legal framework.
 
It's perfectly reasonable that if you're famous, you share some responsibility for the victim being dragged into the media spotlight. It's a severe problem in a case like this and makes a massive difference for the girl.
I don't think so, you're essentially punishing someone for having a natural skillset more likely to have a harsher sentence than others.
Then the problem isn't with a sex offender being sentenced for being a sex offender.
You're correct, that isn't my problem.
No, if you're famous it's reported in the media so everyone knows about it - that's all.
There's plenty of studies out there confirming men get harsher sentences than women, there's also plenty of similar cases out there that show celebrities are made 'an example of'.
 
It's not sympathy, it's reason. No one debating the case gives a feck about Johnson, but quite a few are concerned about a plethora of double standards and inconsistencies which litter the legal framework.

We shouldn't start handing out lighter sentences to men who prey on young girls though. We should start protecting young boys in the same way by handing out equivalent sentences to the women who prey on them.
 
We shouldn't start handing out lighter sentences to men who prey on young girls though. We should start protecting young boys in the same way by handing out equivalent sentences to the women who prey on them.
I don't disagree. Just that when such blatant contrasts exist, then these rulings will never be anything but controversial.
 
Why then, a 13yo boy delinquent can be sent to juvy (and get assraped in the process) if he doesn't know what the feck he is doing?

nah man... as i said, laws are made by men and can be quite stupid sometimes.

a 15 year old girl knows exactly what she is doing getting in a car with an older dude.
That's very good but law is a law. If you open it for interpretation is useless. You can't put it down as 16ish can you?

Besides you have to draw the line somewhere, if we put it as 15, then what about 14 and a half will that count?
 
It's not sympathy, it's reason. No one debating the case gives a feck about Johnson, but quite a few are concerned about a plethora of double standards and inconsistencies which litter the legal framework.

It's actually impossible to get rid of all inconsistencies in the system though. Where you have sentencing structures you'll inevitably have sentences that seem "harsh" as real life will rarely fit neatly within those structures.

Nobody has ever claimed the law was perfect and it's unreasonable to expect it to be. All you can do is make it as fair and logical as possible and in this case there are a lot of factors that should have logically counted against Johnson.
 
So what would your alternative law be?

lower the age of consent to 14 seems about right. Its just sex ffs.

There is nothing wrong with it. Only because society makes it look like the worst of all evils, that poor kid will be traumatized for life (hopefully not).

If the people around her wouldn't have started bullying her (maybe because of jealousy?), this mediatic show wouldn't exist. She was okay with it. Outside pressure make her change her view on the matter.

edit. sexual education is where you should put your chips. Not punishment for natural conducts.
 
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None of this is relevant, as your memory of fifteen year old you is not the victim.

Of course it's relevant. The 'victim' wasn't raped or forced. She happily (probably couldn't believe her luck) met with her idol. Lets not make out as though this was some powerless young child, or shall we all pretend the 15 year old versions of ourselves had the mentality of an infant?

He's a cnut for taking advantage of a impressionable teenager, but not a six year prison sentence cnut.
 
People need to understand how sentences are arrived at. They're not just pulled out of the air by judges.

In short, an offence has a "tariff" i.e. a range as a starting point. The judge determines where the offence falls within the tariff, then can add or subtract time for aggravating or mitigating factors. In Johnson's case it would appear there were few or no mitigating factors and a number of aggravating factors, hence the (by some) perceived harshness of the sentence.
That's right.

If I remember correctly, sexual touching (which I believe he was convicted of) comes under s.9 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003? Under this section, you cannot be sentenced to more than 14 years for this offence. If I'm understanding that correctly, you can be imprisoned for anytime up to 14 years? Therefore 6 years doesn't seem that extreme especially in light of the other factors involved like his lack of remorse etc.
 
Of course it's relevant. The 'victim' wasn't raped or forced. She happily (probably couldn't believe her luck) met with her idol. Lets not make out as though this was some powerless young child, or shall we all pretend the 15 year old versions of ourselves had the mentality of an infant?

He's a cnut for taking advantage of a impressionable teenager, but not a six year prison sentence cnut.
How?

How capable of decision making you believe yourself to have been aged fifteen is not relevant to this case. You not considering yourself to have been vulnerable is not evidence that she wasn't.
 
I don't think so, you're essentially punishing someone for having a natural skillset more likely to have a harsher sentence than others.
No, you're punishing an adult who's responsible for his actions and the consequences these actions have for the victim. The consequences always matter. They vary in all cases for different reasons, but they can never be ignored.
 
Of course it's relevant. The 'victim' wasn't raped or forced. She happily (probably couldn't believe her luck) met with her idol. Lets not make out as though this was some powerless young child, or shall we all pretend the 15 year old versions of ourselves had the mentality of an infant?

He's a cnut for taking advantage of a impressionable teenager, but not a six year prison sentence cnut.

You acknowledge that shat a 15 year old is nothing but an impressionable teenager, yet see no problem with a 28 year old man using his status as her idol to form and encourage a relationship with her that eventually led to sexual activity that he was fully aware she couldn't legally consent to. You're a clown.
 
lower the age of consent to 14 seems about right. Its just sex ffs.

There is nothing wrong with it. Only because society makes it look like the worst of all evils, that poor kid will be traumatized for life (hopefully not).

If the people around her wouldn't have started bullying her (maybe because of jealousy?), this mediatic show wouldn't exist. She was okay with it. Outside pressure make her change her view on the matter.

Right, so under your law a 26 year old would be able to have sex with a 14 year old without facing any consequences. Then what happens if someone gets a big sentence for sleeping with a girl who is 13 year 11 months old? Surely the law would be "stupid" in that case too?
 
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