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Aaron Wan-Bissaka | The Ornacle speaks: It is done.
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Exactly, that is just a ridiculous valuation/demand. They want to price him out a move, be my guest. We move on to Aaron’s and the like. As much as I’d want him here - Palace are being obtuse.
Just look at the way prices are going up every year mate.
Which is kind of silly considering that we are the only top club that has a British core and look what it got us. I believe that we should go for talent/attitude regardless of nationality
He was not one of the best right backs in world football. He was regularly caught out of position and his tackling was largely miss-timed and horrendous. He did a job adequately enough for a season or two.
If we were to offer 40 - 50 mill upfront, take it or leave it I think they will accept but likely accept last minute - I think transfer deadline day will be carnage this year. I think we might panic buy and I think some players like AWB will hand in transfer requests to force through last minute deals.
Its an educated opinion. Its a well known thing that at United the manager sits at the top of the pyramid on football matters. SAF said that multiple times, most signings made by managers after that kind of confirms it (Moyes - Fellaini, LVG, Blind, Depay, Bastian, Valdes etc, Mou - Matic, Lukaku, Zlatan, Dalot etc). So Ole will have a final say and will saddle all the responsibility for any signings made. Therefore why on earth would he go for players he doesn't know about and which are suggested by scouts whom he doesn't know anything about + are relics of previous failed administrations? Considering the difference in philosophy of SAF, Moyes, LVG and Mou, I often wonder if these scouts even agree on anything let alone be able to persuade Ole on anything really.
Which means Ole would have to rely on his strengths and on those of the people he trusts. Its known that James was recommended by Ryan Giggs ie someone Ole trust. Considering Ole's non existent experience in leading top clubs + Phelan hasn't been leading top clubs for more then half a decade then their knowledge on players who can potentially do well at this high level is somehow very limited. I am not blaming Ole on doing that. That's how rational people in such given circumstances would act. Moyes who was in Ole's situation did pretty much the same thing (ie he went for Fabregas, Mata, Fellaini and Baines), with the difference that Moyes had SAF's scouting team at his disposal + more experience then Ole has.
That is why we NEED an experienced DOF. Someone who takes away such responsibility from the manager whom lets face it, can't be expected to spend every minute of his time scouting players and give his thumbs up or down to them.
It's not though. It's literally a guess. There's nothing educated about it.
Well if you bothered reading past that sentence then maybe you'll notice that. Oh well.
I've read it, but there's no point in responding to anything else if you're completely wrong in the first sentence. Your statement was a guess, not an "educated opinion" and no amount of qualifying your stance is going to change that.
A very young Wan-Bissaka, born to wear our shirt!
Wow still no update, good job we are not trying to sign Messi, he'd have retired from football by the time we negotiated the price.....
Looking forward to more talks on this one.
See this is why it's worth sticking with.A very young Wan-Bissaka, born to wear our shirt!
People like him and Maddison will die for the shirt, just like Neville / Becks / Scholes did etc. His family won't be pushing him out either.
Yes we could go and buy somebody else for less but will we get the same commitment? AWB all the way for me.
What kind of talks will it be this time? Ramped up talks? Or maybe locked in talks?
I'm hoping for some crunch talks.
I totally agree why he is the right choice, but seriously, CP asking for 50M plus losing the Zaha clause? They're the ones stopping this, that is not reasonable in the slightest.
Totally agree. Daniel James also. For me players like Greissman, Rabiot, Dybala, Icardi, coming from so called 'big' clubs, would generally not have the same commitment as a player from a so called 'smaller' club, who would possibly be determined to grab their chance and give it everything they had.
All those are all useless unless Palace are braced for new talks.
Yeah they're taking the piss which is why it's taking so long.
It'll get done i'm sure of that, we just have to be patient. For once I don't blame Woodward on this as they're clearly being unreasonable.
IF they don't shift then we have a hard choice to make, but i'd personally just pay it as we can't afford to be picky right now.
So no leaks on how yesterday's meeting went then? I guess that can only be a good thing?
Bit of a jump from one picture mate.
I think we have to stick to our guns and hope the lad gets tetchy about the move collapsing. We are offering reasonable money for the lad and if we end up caving, it just is a concertina effect on our subsequent signings, IMHO. For example, if we were in for Bruno, they'd definitely stick to the 70m euros for him if we end up paying 50m up front for AWB.
It will be talks about talks unfortuantely.
Not really?
It's just proof that the family are United fans, so he's more than likely a united fan/has a soft spot for us at least.
I don't think it's a coincidence that most of the players we've been linked to recently are genuinely united fans - I think this is what Ole meant by wanting "british" players. Not just nationality but players who want to be here for more than just the money.
We've tried to be the English Galactico's but we failed miserably, we need to get back to what were good at.
"Dying for the shirt" from mediocre or average players will get you mid table . These guys are nowhere near or never will be the standard of Scholes , Neville , Becks etc .
Recruiting players from the "home countries" is an excellent idea , but only if they are good enough for us to compete at the top in Europe . Very few of the available ones are .
And now we're talking about talks about talks. We're edging closer to the realm of football journalism! I feel cold.
Yep I don't blame Palace for being cheeky as they know we're in a tricky position, they're going to milk it for all it's worth.
Eventually we will either need to threaten to pull out or hope AWB kicks off and goes on strike to force it. By most reports his head's been turned, this is a once in a lifetime chance for him and he won't be at Palace forever (they know that).
It might not be done before pre season starts unless we cave in, but that's a small importance really as long as we get him eventually.
He's not mediocre or average, no idea where you're getting this from. He has the best defensive stats for a fullback in all the top leagues.
You don't need to be a United fan to give it all for the club when you sign.
Also if I'm not mistaken hes am Arsenal fan.
Agree. I was made to wear a Birmingham city shirt as a kid and hated it. Based on what he believes, Sanchez also should have been dying for the shirt cause I saw a picture of him in a Utd tracksuit top as a kid.
His talk is made for talking, and that's just what he'll do, for the next 17 days Ed's talks are going to talk all over you.
Sanchez works his ass off in fairness, it’s the rest of his game that has often fallen to pieces.
.....but not cause he's dying for the shirt as a Utd fan, which was my point.
Or it could just mean what it has since replica jerseys became a thing when it comes to young children, (one reason) and that's to put you're kid/s in the one of the most popular team at the time as a lot of parents do mate.
Case In point, the year 1991, an aul fella on our road used to sell them (very hot), Utd, Arsenal, Liverpool, Leeds, Spurs, Celtic and Villa were the ones he sold, guess which one was the most popluar and why.
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A very young Wan-Bissaka, born to wear our shirt!
Good stuff
Pogba has excellent stats as well . Stats will get you midtable !
In the real world he has had one decent season . City are looking for a full back , surprising seeing that hes "world class" that Pep is not in for him.
Who know how he will develop at UTD , lots of highly rated players have failed or stagnated with the added pressure .
Hopefully he does not become another one.
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You must have a wonderful insight into the future.
Not that it means anything but not one of them is English/British. No one can really kick up a fuss about us changing our focus to British players this summer.
While that's true - most people SHOULD be giving their all for their employer anyway, it doesn't always work that way. Having players that have a love for the club will help us with keeping the players and stop them having wondering eyes for abroad clubs.
Look at people like Scholes/Giggs. they had admirers from many famous and probably better clubs at the time, but they loved United and their home is England, they didn't want to leave. Compare that to Pogba / Lukaku etc, it's just a different situation.
By your logic Pogba should love the club though. He's from the academy.
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